It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Scientists have been actively searching for extraterrestrial intelligence in our galaxy for the last forty years. The search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) has extended out to 40,000 light years from earth (in comparison, the galaxy is 100,000 light years across). To date, no signal from any extraterrestrial stellar system has ever been detected.
1. ) a 1956 KC-97 aircraft accident in which 11 Air Force members lost their lives; and,
2. ) a 1959 manned balloon mishap in which two Air Force pilots were injured
an alien race would study us before attempting contact thus to minimize shock and unwanted conflict. It is perfectly plausible that if humans found an alien civilization on Mars we would attempt to study it before we introduce ourselves to it.
On June 30, 1908 in a remote area of Siberia, Tunguska, a massive explosion took place, flattening millions of trees and creating a blast heard halfway round the globe.
" extraterrestrial objects supports the idea of panspermia, i.e. the idea that life on the Earth was brought from the space. This idea is promoted by such authorities as V.I.Vernadsky, who wrote “...life did not originate on the Earth, it was brought to the Earth from space in a finished form;” and G.A. Zavarzin, who believes that data on the time of the appearance of the most ancient prokaryotes on the Earth conclusively prove the extraterrestrial orign of life."
Aliens that visited early man more than likely found man before it had evolved into what we are today. Man was likely still in the Neanderthal stage of development so intervention was about the same as human intervention upon a Martian ape species. The aliens probably experimented genetically with the primitive creatures and possibly could have created modern man, explaining the gaps in the fossil record
Ultimately, my task is to vote for the one who made the most convincing argument, and there was no question about this one. BlackJackal wins.
BJ made his argument using a clear and respectful point of view, eschewing flippant remarks and witty comebacks. BJ did his research for this debate and it showed. Whereas I had my doubts as to the possibility of earth having been visited, I now am unsure what I think.
In regard to Rain King’s argument, I was somewhat put off by his sometimes dismissive and slightly overconfident manner and lack of an original argument. JB1 he is not. In my opinion, he made some good points and responded well to some issues, but he also missed on several points; for instance: implying incompetence in the Mexican Air Force sighting, which was a presumptuous and reckless statement.
Congrats to BlackJackal.
This subject of this debate was vailiantly defended by both debators,and I Wish to thank both debators for the enlightening, informative, and entertaining stance each of you took.BlackJackal, your opening was very strong, and led me to imagine the possibilty of alien visitation.Rain King opened up the realist side of the debate with a point of view that many are inclined to lean toward, because of the lack of hard, positive, undeniable evidence of alien visitation.This debate was interesting! A Split Decision....visionary views and realistic sides of the argument.The title of this debate reflects probable circumstances "Aliens probably have visited Earth." I am inclined to agree.
Well, great debate despite the fact that both debators seemed caught up in what a debate was actually debating; theories or facts basing theories. That was off topic, and got a bit old. Otherwise, it was the usual ATS Final Debate - Top Notch Work. I'm going to have to cast my vote towards BlackJackal. As he said in his debate, and proved very well in my opinion, "In the end the evidence stacks heavily in favor of Alien visitation no matter which way you slice it."
Since the subject of this debate was" Aliens probably have visited Earth" and not "Aliens absolutely visited earth" then it was not required to have "proof" of such a visit.
In this debate BlackJackal offered much more circumstantial evidence supporting visitation than Rain King did refuting visitation by aliens.
Since theory backed by circumstantial evidence is enough to back a "probability" I have to declare BlackJackel the winner of this debate.
A hearty good job to everyone who has participated in this tournament - they just get better and better.
"Most excellent" debate by both debate finalists. A hearty congratulation to both. Both presented well-structured and well-written, as well as, well-backed arguments. Again, I commend both for their presentations and in their ways and styles of presenting and arguing their determined positions. Symantics aside, for this debate could easily have gone either way, I placed my vote for Rain King in that he presented and countered more persuasively. Again, this outcome could have easily gone the other way. Both debators demonstrated outstanding intellectual diversity and should be proud of their accomplishments within these debates. They represented some of the very best that ATS has to offer. Be proud, and may 'we' be fortunate enough to see both continue to participate in future debates and within ATS. Great job guys and gals!
This was probably the best debate in the tournament. I don't think I have to comment on the rhetorical skill of the participants again. I've done that in earlier debate and I think it'll suffice to say that they know how to structure an argument, how to search for information and how to interpret information to fit their position.
Sometimes they go a bit too far, though. BlackJackal says at one point at the military claims the bodies recovered from the Roswell crash site are either from "1. ) a 1956 KC-97 aircraft accident in which 11 Air Force members lost their lives; or, 2. ) a 1959 manned balloon mishap in which two Air Force pilots were injured." But the source says that no bodies were recovered and that the incidents above were just the sources for the rumours. If you misread the source or mispresented it, I don't know.
Rain King had to argue for the stronger side of the debate. He was right in saying: "My opponent’s arguments have come down to one thing: Speculation. Highly subjective speculation at that. The ‘evidence’ he has cited proves nothing, but merely admits the lack of information." Arguments from ignorance are useless when you try to prove a theory. I really liked Rain King's touch of introducing the intraterrestrial beings. It was impossible to choose whether the strange incidents could be explained better with these beings or extraterrestrial.
Because of all these reasons, Rain King gets my vote in this debate.
A very spirited debate on a very cloudy subject. Both participants argued their points well. Rain King, being in the role of rebutal, put forth well for his side but BlackJackal was more proactive for his side. The winner, BlackJackal.
A very good and solid match. RainKing came very close to defeating BlackJackal but he sagged in some areas. Very good match and one helluva tournament. You all performed exceptionally well.
Okay, this was another difficult decision, but I think I"m comfortable choosing a winner.
He had his strongest debate of the latest tournament, and I think he's worthy of his pennant yet again this time. Cheers to him.