reply to post by Deetermined
What is your definition of the Kingdom of God?
Which one? The one the soul goes to after the body dies? Or the One that is within you, direct access to Soul, God, Union..... like when Jesus said
the Kingdom of Heaven is within you.
You've been deceived into thinking your ego died when in reality, you just replaced it with a more puffed up version through your visions and
experiences, just like the ones in the Old Testament.
Yea right!!! Good luck w/ that one. There is only Love & Understanding here. After I got the Spirit, I returned to how I was as a Child, just
Aware/Observing. Only added to that was a distinct separation from the ego and seeing that it is not me. Yes it is used to form sentences, however it
is not me. In fact I can see it arising and falling away, see what it's source is, the whole subconscious structure...... Do you see this in
yourself? The Planck? Deceived is then relative....
Many Christian mystics opt for the second option - church traditions. They find that mystics and their practices existed from the very early days of
church history. It is surprising that contemporary evangelicals sometimes cite Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions to justify their practices.
But many do. They usually try to also find Biblical support, but such support cannot be found without twisting the Scriptures.
You found a westernized dogma-fundie site which lacks the Mystical experiences of the Holy Spirit and therefore has set up an attack and apollogetics
based on logic/reason. The Christian Mystic also has scripture as apollogetics but also has the added arsenal of direct experience.
The letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth Life. The Bible is not God. It is instructions, comments, blueprints to follow and that's it. Not
everything is in there, and what is in there, is Jesus dumbing it down to the masses because they would not comprehend the direct experiences of God
unless Jesus used parables.
Scripture is milk for beginners. Direct experience is Meat for those far on the path. They go hand in hand.
I believe that Scripture alone determines the valid means of coming to God. The Scripture reveals one obvious restriction: “Jesus said to him, ‘I
am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me’” (John 14:6)
When he said this, he was talking to hard-headed Jews stuck in Judaism based on the idea of a blood thirsty god who requires animal sacrifices. Jesus
steps to them and tells them forget all your old ways and that of OT, everything is summed up in the Most Important Commandment and getting the Holy
Spirit Ego death experience.
Simple!!!! He's a blueprint, example, savior, friend, brother, teacher, etc.... He also waited to get the Holy Spirit after getting Baptized by John
and spent time in the Desert becoming victorious over Satan, Ego, Temptation. Blueprints
The Bible warned about such things... Ezekiel 13:6 , Ezekiel 12:24 , Jeremiah 14:14 , Ezekiel 21:23
That's all OT...... Jesus shows up and changes EVERYTHING!!!!!! Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength .....and also get the Ego Death,
Grace, ad Mystical experiences of the Holy Spirit. That will reveal Union w/ God, selflessness, transcendence, nonjudgment, etc
1 John 2:27: "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you"
If you think the "Kingdom of God" is only within and not a physical one coming, you have been deceived by spirits and your own ego for having sought
them out in the first place.
God is physical? The Holy Spirit is physical?
When you go within and find the Kingdom within, you experience the same Oneness with God and Jesus, that Jesus did with the Father. There are quite a
number of Saints, Monks, Desert Fathers that experienced being One with the Father.
WHen Jesus says: I and the Father are One" that is a direct experience and he prays we can all have that, share in that, experience that:
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou
hast sent me.
When you experience being One with the Father ....it happens within, however the experience is everywhere, within everything, and does not limit
itself to some future physical coming. God is here, now, everywhere, in everything, fully accessible if you just tune in to the right station.
Or are you going to limit him now to what you believe he is supposed to be like? Beliefs and thoughts are not the same thing as the real thing
Faith/Belief are only used in the beginning. Once sealed w/ the Spirit, you experience and know that God is real and are living it directly and
belief/faith are tossed for direct access