A Second Look at the Saudis.... Again.

This is nothing new, but damn it when is something going to be done about it? Read it again, show it to people, re post it on other websites. Who knows maybe if enough people will get pissed about it our leaders will do what Bob Graham has been screaming about for years.

A Second Look at the Saudis

Of the nineteen hijackers who attacked this nation on September 11, 2001, fifteen were Saudi Arabian. Moreover, each and every one of the nineteen hijackers was personally chosen and provided with training and financing by yet another Saudi native – Osama bin Laden. Yet from that day to this, in spite of these disturbing and incontrovertible facts, members of the Bush administration have glibly and incessantly insisted that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of our closest friends and allies in the War on Terror. Fifteen Saudis murdered nearly 3,000 Americans on live TV, all at the behest of one of the Kingdom’s prodigal sons. How can these basic facts about 9/11 possibly be mere trivia? In fact, they are just the tip of the iceberg. In the years since September 11, a growing body of evidence has emerged illuminating the central role Saudi nationals have played in the rise of Al Qaeda and its terrorist attacks against the United States. In our national obsession with the fiasco in Iraq, we have somehow glossed over these important and alarming clues about the nature of the threat we confronted on September 11. But they are just as striking as the events of that day itself. Consider the following:

reply to post by whatsecret


Is that it or do you have more to add?

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


What else is there to add?

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The U.S. government has already chosen not to do anything about it. When the families of the 9/11 victims filed a lawsuit against Saudi Arabia, the Justice Department wouldn't allow them to move forward with it due to relations.

The Saudis claim they've only given aid to terrorists as bribes to keep them out of their own country, not that we should believe any of it.

Saudi Arabia and the U.S. will continue to work together on their mutual interests/goals for a time. Once those are accomplished, they will turn on each other to accomplish their final goals.

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First of all 9/11 was an inside job.

Al-CIAeda is just that, a creation of the United States government.

If there was any previous doubt, the US government is now openly funding and arming Al-CIAeda in both Libya and Syria.

But I do agree, we do need a second look (and a third, a fourth, a fifth)... at the US government.

But my opinion isnt really important. Lets hear what the head of the 9/11 Commission had to say:

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Al-CIAeda is just that, a creation of the United States government.

Since when?

Since the Soviet-Afghan war the US government has funded what would eventually become Al-Queda.Dispite OBL's claims to the contrary.But why bring this up? When revisionist historians and others have managed to convince most of the public that the Saudi connections are coincidental or non existent at best.Despite the Zelikow-Hamilton commission have pointed this out.Which I consider to be a minor miracle considering how much they covered up.

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All governments have given money and weapons to groups that help to serve their immediate purpose when they needed to.

That doesn't mean they "created" them. That statement is a little overboard.

"What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"-Zibgniew Brzezinsky He pretty much admitted that the Agency trained,funded and equipped the mujahideen in a interview back in 98.

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mujahideen, Arabicmujāhidūn (“those engaged in jihad”), In its broadest sense, those Muslims who proclaim themselves warriors for the faith. Its Arabic singular, mujāhid, was not an uncommon personal name from the early Islamic period onward. However, the term did not gain popular currency as a collective or plural noun referring to “holy warriors” until the 18th century in India, where it became associated with Muslim revivalism.

In the 20th century the term was used most commonly in Iran and Afghanistan. In Iran the Mojāhedin-e Khalq (“Mujahideen of the People”), a group combining Islamic and Marxist ideologies, engaged in a long-term guerrilla war against the leadership of the Islamic republic.

The name was most closely associated, however, with members of a number of guerrilla groups operating in Afghanistan that opposed invading Soviet forces and eventually toppled the Afghan communist government during the Afghan War (1979–92).

Rival factions thereafter fell out among themselves precipitating the rise of one faction, the Taliban. Like the term jihad—to which it is lexicographically connected—the name has been used rather freely, both in the press and by Islamic militants themselves, and often has been used to refer to any Muslim groups engaged in hostilities with non-Muslims or even with secularized Muslim regimes.

www.britannica.com...

What ever the connection was, or is, simply fails to matter any more. You forget the rhetoric by the Clinton, Bush and Obama administration is tightly worded. Saudi Arabia is always referred to as an important 'Allies in the region' . Never is it said that they are our allies-just our allies in that place in the world.

America was founded on the principle of separation of Church and State. In the Kingdom Church and State not only are the combined they are the same thing. No two countries so dissimilar in every way possible way could ever be truly allied.

When it comes to military alliances, by vastly different countries in every way, it's good to revisit the Briefing conference at Supreme Headquarters(Rastenburg) on May 12th 1944. The Fuhrer is completely lost in monologue as he talks about the Reich's alliance with Japan.

"They(Japan) lie to beat the band. Everything that comes out of their crooked mouths has some kind of deception to it. They tell us nothing about their Navy-then, suddenly, they have the largest capitol ships in the world. They say nothing about their warplanes now the have the most agile fighters ever made. With them-as friends who needs enemies-the Yanks and the Russians just ought to go home"

The relationship between the Kingdom and America is similar-neither side trust the other-they just need each other from time to time.

All the Archive files pertaining to 9/11 and the Kingdom were destroyed by executive order sometime in 2010. There will be no 'Pentagon Papers' to find this time.

Originally posted by whatsecret
Of the nineteen hijackers who attacked this nation on September 11, 2001, fifteen were Saudi Arabian. Moreover, each and every one of the nineteen hijackers was personally chosen and provided with training and financing by yet another Saudi native – Osama bin Laden. Yet from that day to this, in spite of these disturbing and incontrovertible facts, members of the Bush administration have glibly and incessantly insisted that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of our closest friends and allies in the War on Terror. Fifteen Saudis murdered nearly 3,000 Americans on live TV, all at the behest of one of the Kingdom’s prodigal sons. How can these basic facts about 9/11 possibly be mere trivia?

Mostly, because you're making things up to suit your story. This group was hardly Saudi Arabia's "prodigal sons"- Osama Bin Laden had been sentenced to death in absentia by the Saudi gov't for trying to overtthrow the royal family, and the hijackers' families refused to accept the remains that were recovered of their relatives; apparently they've either become pariahs in their respective families, or the families prefer to believe its a case of mistaken identity and don't want the remains returned to prove they were in fact involved.

Even Bin Laden's own son renounced his father's violence ways. He's no dummy either- he doesn't want to be connected to that crime organization:

Interview with Osama Bin Laden's son

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by whatsecret
Of the nineteen hijackers who attacked this nation on September 11, 2001, fifteen were Saudi Arabian. Moreover, each and every one of the nineteen hijackers was personally chosen and provided with training and financing by yet another Saudi native – Osama bin Laden. Yet from that day to this, in spite of these disturbing and incontrovertible facts, members of the Bush administration have glibly and incessantly insisted that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of our closest friends and allies in the War on Terror. Fifteen Saudis murdered nearly 3,000 Americans on live TV, all at the behest of one of the Kingdom’s prodigal sons. How can these basic facts about 9/11 possibly be mere trivia?

Mostly, because you're making things up to suit your story. This group was hardly Saudi Arabia's "prodigal sons"- Osama Bin Laden had been sentenced to death in absentia by the Saudi gov't for trying to overtthrow the royal family, and the hijackers' families refused to accept the remains that were recovered of their relatives; apparently they've either become pariahs in their respective families, or the families prefer to believe its a case of mistaken identity and don't want the remains returned to prove they were in fact involved.

Even Bin Laden's own son renounced his father's violence ways. He's no dummy either- he doesn't want to be connected to that crime organization:

Interview with Osama Bin Laden's son

I'm making things up? lol Looks like you completely lost it Dave.

Do I really have to link the massive amounts of evidence of the Saudi connection to the 9/11 attacks again?

If it would have been 19 Israeli and an Israeli mastermind on the run, everybody would say the CIA or any such is behind it.

But when it was a country where Britain had been active a hundred years before Israel was even founded and America later more or less took over the reign, a country which is at least as much under the control of America as Israel people only see turban wearing foreign terrorists.

Starred and flagged. The numerous links to Saudi Arabia are not really my main concern, it is the refusal of administration after administration to investigate and take action. Look at Khobar Towers bombing under Clinton. That "investigation" was a joke, Clinton just let the Saudis shrug the whole thing off.

This trend continued through the Bush years. And now it continues through the Obama admin. The Boston bombings. Remember that Saudi kid that was picked up, questioned, and taken to the hospital? Then cleared, supposedly, yet he was deported for "national security reasons". And the code that was put in his file was for terrorist related offenses. Yet we never heard another word about that since. All hushed up. Nothing to see here, move along.

That the Saudis continue to be involved in stabbing us in the back while calling us "friend" is business as usual. That the US government continues to handle them with kid gloves and refuses to do anything about it is unforgivable.

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To quote the late Robin Cook, British Labour Party MP:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.

Too bad we cant ask him more about this statement. He was killed, I mean had a heart attack, the very next month.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
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To quote the late Robin Cook, British Labour Party MP:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.

Too bad we cant ask him more about this statement. He was killed, I mean had a heart attack, the very next month.

That the CIA had Bin Laden and Alquaeda under control directly and through the ISI like a pupeteer its puppet and that of a sudden they escaped their control managed to finance and fund themselves and waged war on America, which was forced to pass the patriot and victory acts is the accepted version in the mainstream media. He parrotted it. I am fairly sure he died of natural causes at over 60, it happens.

Of the nineteen hijackers who attacked this nation on September 11, 2001, fifteen were Saudi Arabian.

Interesting to know how they came to an exact number of CIA operatives involved? Wouldn't most of them more likely be Caucasian rather than of Saudi Arabian descent...?

Oh, it means the tired old OS...

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Starred and flagged. The numerous links to Saudi Arabia are not really my main concern, it is the refusal of administration after administration to investigate and take action. Look at Khobar Towers bombing under Clinton. That "investigation" was a joke, Clinton just let the Saudis shrug the whole thing off.

This trend continued through the Bush years. And now it continues through the Obama admin. The Boston bombings. Remember that Saudi kid that was picked up, questioned, and taken to the hospital? Then cleared, supposedly, yet he was deported for "national security reasons". And the code that was put in his file was for terrorist related offenses. Yet we never heard another word about that since. All hushed up. Nothing to see here, move along.

That the Saudis continue to be involved in stabbing us in the back while calling us "friend" is business as usual. That the US government continues to handle them with kid gloves and refuses to do anything about it is unforgivable.

Or the Saudis are the most sinister looking puppet the alphabet agencies control and they are doing exactly as they are told (The Saudis) . Say you want to attack a country. Lets assume that country has been bombed horribly by some other country. The America called that country out on it for its evil deeds and supported an insurgency against them.

Now after you have driven the soviets, I mean that country out of that other country by supporting an insurgency, you want it for yourself, which means the media will get pretty much the same pictures as they had before, except with an American flag instead of a soviet flag flying CAS. So something terrible needs to happen that makes the public feel very very mad. You cant get Afghans involved in a terror attack that will whip up Americans in a frenzy against Afghanistan, you do not control it yet. So you get sufficiently dark and sinister looking allies to do it all for you, the Saudis. And presto the invasion of Afghanistan was sold.

I think that the involvement of the Saudi's is the most overlooked part of 9/11

I believe the Official story for the most part.

However I think that more really does need to be done to investigate exactly what role the Saudi state or Royal Family had in the financing and support of pre-9/11 Al-Qa'ida.