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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:02 AM
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IN 70% of child custody cases where fathers file, they win. In Numerous of these cases, there is a history of domestic violence, which are often ignored. There are cases of child abuse, ignored. Mothers are even jailed, for trying to protect the children, or labeled vindictive, crazy or Misandrous. Never mind that the Rate of deaths of children by custodial fathers with known histories of abuse that were Deliberately ignored are on the increase in our Pornified rape culture.

But This case, takes the cake...a Convicted Child Sex Abuser, is given Custody of his six year old daughter, even after allegations that on a visit, the child was touched in appropriately by a half brother. Oklahoma judge gave the man, who had barely any contact, custody. The conviction, plea was over another six year old girl.

kfor.com...

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OKLAHOMA CITY — In California, just six years ago, Nicholas Elizondo was convicted for raping his then six-year-old daughter. He took a deal and served six years in jail. During that time his ex-wife, Lisa Knight, has been raising their daughter Sarah in Norman.
After six years of little contact with Sarah, he started fighting for sole custody. Yesterday, he won.
Little Sarah’s family is shocked by the Oklahoma County judge’s decision.
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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:20 AM
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Where are you getting these facts from? "70% of the time the FATHER gets custody?" What bizarro world are you living in? It's actually quite the opposite.

If true, this story is sad. I don't know why a judge would allow a child to live with a registered sex offender. If the state deemed that the mother was unfit (which takes a hell of a lot more than her just not remembering the names of her child's doctors) then the child should have gone to another relative.

Something smells about this story. A man has to go through so many hoops just to get sole custody of their children. Believe me, I know, I just got sole custody of my 10 year old son. I've been background checked so often, It makes me laugh at gun nuts whining about being checked once. and even now, several agencies visit my house on random and regular basis.

Yea, something is wrong with this lady's story. I think that the man's attorney's may be right, the daughter may have been coerced by the mother into saying the father did something to her. It's damn near impossible to fight a molestation charge.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:24 AM
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As to why I put this in the "political madness" forum, it's because these cases are happening far more frequent than what most are aware of,

For example the case, not to long ago in CA where a mother begged the courts to keep her sons from visits to a father with known violence, abuse and drug use. Her pleas were ignored, by a Female judge, I might add. The boys went to the fathers,

The father took an ax and chopped one son in front of the other son, to death.

So much for the Courts and Childs best interest. And tragically this is the trend we are seeing more and more, judges placating ABUSERS, particularly Pedophiles and those with violent domestic violence histories. This case however, is not just an allegation, this is a convicted has served time, etc. Even if, the arrest and jail time was false,

The fact that the Child has been put in a rich and roulette situation screams Court Corruption. Who is paying these judges? Special interest Groups, a political agenda, what?

Too many Children are winding up Permantly damaged and dead. Yet there IS NO PROSECUTION of Courts for Negligence,

And in This case, it's Blatant and Reckless Negligence. If anything, the allegations of the brother, etc., Should have been investigated, by Child Protection. But even there, there would be no guarantees,

As the last Audit of Foster homes/care IN CA, there were over 1000 registered sex offenders IN foster care services. 1000 matched homes

In CA alone. www.sacbee.com...

America, if this isn't Political Madness and Insanity, then WHAT IS?

The Entire COURT SYSTEM, needs to be Overhauled, period.
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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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Where are you getting these facts from? "70% of the time the FATHER gets custody?" What bizarro world are you living in? It's actually quite the opposite.

If true, this story is sad. I don't know why a judge would allow a child to live with a registered sex offender. If the state deemed that the mother was unfit (which takes a hell of a lot more than her just not remembering the names of her child's doctors) then the child should have gone to another relative.

Something smells about this story. A man has to go through so many hoops just to get sole custody of their children. Believe me, I know, I just got sole custody of my 10 year old son. I've been background checked so often, It makes me laugh at gun nuts whining about being checked once. and even now, several agencies visit my house on random and regular basis.

Yea, something is wrong with this lady's story. I think that the man's attorney's may be right, the daughter may have been coerced by the mother into saying the father did something to her. It's damn near impossible to fight a molestation charge.


As for the facts about the custody, those are well known, in Contested cases, it's 70%. The stats are well known in just about any search you do, on the issue.

As for the story, it's true, several papers reported on it...if you still don't believe then I suppose you could debate with the papers.

If the "mother" made the story up about the half brother, that Still doesn't account for the OTHER GIRL, there are Two girls here, one whom he served time for. Were talking about a CONVICTED OFFENDER,

Not just a mere allegation.

And Yes, these cases are common. Several just this month, well maybe I'll just post them as well, the kids are DEAD. custodial fathers, several with Records of Domestic Violence. So if it's made up,

Maybe Ghosts or Aliens killing the kids then???? And ALL these women are just Hysterical or something! Vindictive, sure,

Makes sense.

Meanwhile, we have a Convicted Child Sexual Offender, whom a judge gave Custody to, not just an allegation, a convicted offender. He may have been innocent, granted,

But why in the hell would any SANE person put a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD in That predicatament?

I'm sorry but Fathers Rights don't trump CHILDREN'S RIGHTS TO BE SAFE FROM HARM. And Esoecially when there is other allegations Not investigated and when the allegations are of another in the same home with the convicted offender,

Who Seriously is THAT dumb?
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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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It seems that there may be a problem with California. (well, there's a lot wrong with California)

But as for your OP, it's dead wrong. 70% of the time, men DO NOT get sole custody of their children. It just doesn't happen unless there is something seriously SERIOUSLY wrong with the mother.

Even if the father is awarded primary custody, the mother usually retains visitation rights.

Something seriously smells about this story. I don't think we are getting the whole story from "mom" here. The state just doesn't take children away and award them to the father without something seriously being wrong with the mother. It just doesn't happen.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:45 AM
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Never mind that the Rate of deaths of children by custodial fathers with known histories of abuse that were Deliberately ignored are on the increase in our Pornified rape culture.


Are they? As far as I know, crime rates are generally declining over past two decades. Source, please.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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Exact same thing happened with my niece. The father who was a child molester (convicted and his father was convicted too) got part time custody of her, The only reason he stopped coming around her was because he was afraid of my mom.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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Never mind that the Rate of deaths of children by custodial fathers with known histories of abuse that were Deliberately ignored are on the increase in our Pornified rape culture.


Are they? As far as I know, crime rates are generally declining over past two decades. Source, please.


Sigh, why? you'll just twist them and Rationalize with some other, this crap gets exhausting. OK then, stats it is...them ho hum wait for it....

Twisty twisty semantics and all that jazz, lol.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by sandman441
Exact same thing happened with my niece. The father who was a child molester (convicted and his father was convicted too) got part time custody of her, The only reason he stopped coming around her was because he was afraid of my mom.


Thank you, for sharing your story, though I know its maddening as hell. You know I get So tired of people in this denial when these cases are all over the papers and news every damn day, and it's not just the fact that abusive custodial fathers get custody,

It's abuse in foster care and children left in Blatantly abusive homes but then same system takes children from Good homes based on mere allegations of spanking or something, or home schooling. pedophilia, wife beating, not a prob,

Ground your teen for drugs, Ooops that can't happen off the child goes. it's just Insane, beyond common sense really.

But yes, the system has been hijacked by perverts and corruption, beyond belief. And a Lot of its simply about the $$$.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by ThreeBears

Originally posted by Maslo
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Never mind that the Rate of deaths of children by custodial fathers with known histories of abuse that were Deliberately ignored are on the increase in our Pornified rape culture.


Are they? As far as I know, crime rates are generally declining over past two decades. Source, please.


Sigh, why? you'll just twist them and Rationalize with some other, this crap gets exhausting. OK then, stats it is...them ho hum wait for it....

Twisty twisty semantics and all that jazz, lol.


OK STATS, ON the Contested Custody, in fact, the Latest figure it went up over 70percent...

The Leadership Council, is not some biased special interest group, btw, so if you want to Argue and say its Misandry and all that other nonsense, well then take it up with the Experts...that DO these studies for a living, etc. I'll get the Stats on the Increase of custodial fathers killing children here in a bit, the latest study, because the scholars were wanting to Know Why these cases are on increase, that I read was out of UK, as it's also a problem there.


www.domesticviolenceabuseandchildcustody.com...&DVHomicide.art.doc

www.leadershipcouncil.org...

Ok now let's count, One, Two, Three here comes the derailing....

LOL, I'm getting too damn old for this.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:18 AM
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Here is a list, of ALL the Recent Cases of Custodial Fathers (courts who gave custody to) who turned around and uh,

Killed the kids, abused the kids, etc. Most with Prior Domestic Violence and/or Child abuse records or other violent histories that the COURTS IGNORE.

This blog keeps current documentation, etc. the list is WAY LONG, you can look up Each case, etc. This is not a list for Entire USA, they are working on it...but while I get those other stats,

Here's an idea, of the Scope of the problem.



dastardlydads.blogspot.com...

This is also just since 2011 I believe, again they are working on the entire nation list, whether or not child safe has these stats, I'll have to check. But you know ONE CHILD is too many,

The Issue here is not that all fathers are monsters OR all mothers,

But that the System is pandering and enabling ABUSERS for agendas, special interests some of which are pro pedophilia and That's been documented,

And well if you believe in the Agenda 21, well then, it kind of makes sense now doesn't it? Since this IS a Conspiracy site, is it not? Just saying...
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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:18 AM
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Yep he does have a record in calif.
www.sorarchives.com...

You know the cops will be watching him very closely



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:23 AM
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Your first link is just an opinion paper with no outside credible backup data to use.

The second one is a pretty much broken website with links that 404.

I'm not saying that courts don't award abusive fathers custody of children, it does happen. But I am saying that it doesn't happen often.

Taking a child away from a mother completely is a very serious decision. And the mother is often given a parenting plan to retain custody and visitation rights. If the mother fails to comply with the parenting plan outlined by the court then, and only then, are their parental rights terminated.

What I have noticed in this thread is the bias against men in general. Not all men are abusive or negligent. But there is a significant trend for judges to award the mothers primary or sole custody in divorce cases.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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Your first link is just an opinion paper with no outside credible backup data to use.

The second one is a pretty much broken website with links that 404.

I'm not saying that courts don't award abusive fathers custody of children, it does happen. But I am saying that it doesn't happen often.

Taking a child away from a mother completely is a very serious decision. And the mother is often given a parenting plan to retain custody and visitation rights. If the mother fails to comply with the parenting plan outlined by the court then, and only then, are their parental rights terminated.

What I have noticed in this thread is the bias against men in general. Not all men are abusive or negligent. But there is a significant trend for judges to award the mothers primary or sole custody in divorce cases.


Obviously you didn't read the last post...

Try the link again, for the study. www.leadershipcouncil.org...

They both work on mine,

As for the last post, that link, I just posted...recent cases IN the US,

The Point, and I'll stress this again, is not about monster fathers Or mothers, but about the COURTS ignoring KNOWN VIOLENT ABUSE

And handing these kids over to their deaths.

Now look, I don't Care if it offends the whole fathers rights agenda...or mothers rights, but the FACT STANDS,

These men are using the courts to covert abuse, FACT and KIDS ARE DYING AS A RESULT OF, FACT.

And if not these covert abuse cases, Then we have on top if that, the cases of Kids DYING in Foster Care, etc. or being Permantly brain damaged via psychotropics or mercury, eg autism,

Again, if there is an agenda to de populate, well what a fine way then eh? See it's NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THE

MALE EGO.

Can we for Once, look at the Bigger picture here?



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:47 AM
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I'm not denying that these things happen. It does.

It's sad, sometimes children are placed in the care of an abusive or negligent parent. But your posts smack of misandry.

It would appear that you want to paint all fathers as abusive sex offending murderers. And it's just not the case.

As easy as it is for a custodial parent to brainwash a child into testifying against the other, it could explain why the father in the OP case was given custody despite his sex offender status.


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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 07:11 AM
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I have a problem with the source in the OP. They seem to have the facts pretty messed up. (He didn't rape his daughter, for one thing) Sarah is their only daughter. Here's another article that contradicts the OP's.

And the 70% number??? I find that very hard to believe. You can't just link to a paper and expect us to do the research. You stated that in 70% of cases where father's file, they win. Do you have a source on that?

He filed for custody because the mother allegedly stopped letting him see their daughter.

Sex Offender Awarded Custody



The incident happened a few years after Kern County prosecutors tried and juries convicted numerous people on child sex abuse charges, known as the "Witch Hunt" trials. People were given long prison sentenced. Many of those same convictions were later tossed out after an appellate court found the accused had been wrongly convicted. The last of the wrongful conviction lawsuits was settled in March of this year.

During a court hearing in Oklahoma City regarding visitation, the victim, who authorities say was molested by Elizondo, testified that she was never molested.

Knight and her attorney, Valerie Williford of Oklahoma City, said it appears Judge Haralson retaliated against Knight for fabricating a story recently in order to keep her daughter from being awarded to Elizondo.


There's more to this story than the OP's source is telling.
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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by ThreeBears
IN 70% of child custody cases where fathers file, they win.


Rather than make that comment, and worse, trying to justify it when challenged, you could have just saved yourself the trouble of ever even making this thread by proactively tossing every shred of integrity and credibility you have in the trash. The results would be the same, either way.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 07:56 AM
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As for his conviction in 1995, Elizondo said he merely took a plea bargain given what he was facing. Elizondo was facing 11 felony charges of lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14, but 10 of those were dismissed in exchange for Elizondo pleading no contest to one charge.

"It never happened," said Elizondo of the charge against him.


So he was not actually convicted by a jury or a judge, but it was just a plea bargain. Thats something I believe should not even exist in a good justice system. It is legal coercion. And thats regardless if he did it or not.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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Ok so I read through this because it seemed like a messed up case and what ive come to see is... this is an obvious attack on men. Ok so first "rape culture" as you put it is mostly used by militant feminists talking about it not always being about the male ego makes no sense here either. Look you didnt vet your source or check multiple sources if you did you would know this man was wrongfully accused. You should know by now if you checked up so much on all these abuse facts that there are many many cases were the mother talks the child into saying the father did something to them just to get rid of him and it was later found out false. Second I could totally believe the 70% thing but only because I currently live with three women that have children and out of the three only one is fit to be a mother. Seriously what woman thinks its okay to scream at a 1 year old for crying and spanks them for not listening. But honestly women do horrible things to there kids to if you would have posted info on that to this wouldnt look like an "attack on the so called patriarchy"



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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Lets make this easy. Stop worrying about if the sex offender was male or female. The sex of the offender is irrelevant. What is relevant is that an Oklahoma judge gave custody of a 6 year old child to a sex offender. What ever the reason are you trying to tell me that this was the best option for the child?
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