High River residents furious after RCMP seize ‘substantial’ number of firearms from evacuated ho

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posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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The flood waters rose so fast many people did not have time to get everything secured in their homes. The police were going house to house looking for potential victims (corpses) after the fact. The town was still under an evacuation notice up to this morning. Those people who's guns were removed were likely getting things together to evacuate the area when the floods surprised them. The weapons will be returned and its not common practice for our police force to confiscate the weapons of a citizen unless ordered to do so by the courts.
The authorities removed the weapons due to the chance of looting. There wasn't very much looting done during the floods but, the authorities didn't want to take the chance. The weapons were tagged with addresses and names and they will be returned when the evac notices are lifted.
If you want any more details feel free to read the Globe and Mail and the CBC. The Post is a right wing rag.




posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Wiregrab
The authorities removed the weapons due to the chance of looting.


Blatant lies. They had checkpoints established around the city, no one was getting in to loot.

Also the flood waters were too high for anyone to successfully loot anything.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 06:11 PM
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For Americans in the thread, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, RCMP, are the rough equivalent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, in the States.

The difference is that the RCMP is both a uniformed and a non-uniformed (although still clothed) force.

They do a lot of what the FBI does in terms of national domestic security, but the uniformed section of the force does a job in most provinces (Alberta being one) and territories equivalent to what state troopers do in areas outside of large cities in the States.

In the old days they used to wear Stetson hats like state troopers do but now they wear the sort of hat you would see on police constables in the city.
edit on 29-6-2013 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Wiregrab
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If you want any more details feel free to read the Globe and Mail and the CBC. The Post is a right wing rag.


Oh right, so people have to read the Upper Canada elite's, and government voice to get the facts?...


The Globe and Mail
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Political stance[edit]

Even before the Globe merged with the Mail and Empire, the paper was widely considered the voice of the Upper Canada elite—that is, the Bay Street financial community of Toronto and the intellectuals of university and government institutions. The merger of the Liberal Globe and the Tory Mail and Empire prefigured the paper's characteristically Red Tory editorial stance, as its support alternated between the two established national parties. In the past century, the paper has consistently endorsed either the Liberal Party or the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada in every federal election. The paper had endorsed a third party on two occasions at the provincial level: it endorsed the social-democratic New Democratic Party in the 1991 Saskatchewan provincial election and British Columbia provincial election. The New Democrats won both elections and went on to form provincial governments.
...

en.wikipedia.org...

So, essentially you seem to be against free speech...

How about people read from all sources, and read the reactions of the people, not just what the government wants to claim?...



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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I was glad to see that the Prime Minister gave the RCMP # for this, told them to cut it out and get back to work.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by juniperberry
As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add


Would like to see some evidence to prove that. I don't know many gun owners who simply leave there firearms lying around. Let me guess, you are anti-gun and have zero experience with firearms.
edit on 29-6-2013 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 12:40 AM
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I would put money on it that they only went into homes that had registered their guns before the Gov ordered the list to be scrapped and records destroyed.

How much damage did they cause breaking in, I'm sure people locked their doors before they were evacuated. This looks like you need to watch out for the cops more than the looters. Did they confiscate any unsecured knives ?



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by juniperberry
As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add


I'm Canadian, and I'm also close enough to this disaster to, while not affected directly, I know people who are, and I have in my line of work sold supplies to people going to this area to work on fixing things. (for example, I sold a phone tech guy some parts so he could set up emergency phone services in Calgary, where the same flooding also hit)

Anyway, I think this poster has it dead on. The guns that were seized were ones that were just left out in the open. Anything that was stored properly the RCMP ignored and did not confiscate. Having a bunch of guns laying around in an environment like that is just asking for trouble. Sure, -outside- looters might not be able to get in, but people already in the town could just go in there and take them and do who knows what.

This, I think, just goes to show one of the fundamental differences in mentality between the two countries. Gun nuts are livid that guns were taken away. Everyone else is just happy nobody got hurt.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by DragonsDemesne

Originally posted by juniperberry
As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add


I'm Canadian, and I'm also close enough to this disaster to, while not affected directly, I know people who are, and I have in my line of work sold supplies to people going to this area to work on fixing things. (for example, I sold a phone tech guy some parts so he could set up emergency phone services in Calgary, where the same flooding also hit)

Anyway, I think this poster has it dead on. The guns that were seized were ones that were just left out in the open. Anything that was stored properly the RCMP ignored and did not confiscate. Having a bunch of guns laying around in an environment like that is just asking for trouble. Sure, -outside- looters might not be able to get in, but people already in the town could just go in there and take them and do who knows what.

This, I think, just goes to show one of the fundamental differences in mentality between the two countries. Gun nuts are livid that guns were taken away. Everyone else is just happy nobody got hurt.


The point is, there are NO survivors on top of cupboards. Why were they wasting time looking in odd places in someone's private home? Also, do you speak for every one of those Canadians who had their guns confiscated? I think that shows a fundamental difference between the two countries. We don't speak for our neighbors. We let them have their own opinions.
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posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by juniperberry
As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add


Would like to see some evidence to prove that. I don't know many gun owners who simply leave there firearms lying around. Let me guess, you are anti-gun and have zero experience with firearms.
edit on 29-6-2013 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)


Please. What part of being Canadian did you miss? I have both my restricted and unrestricted licenses and have been shooting on ranges since I was big enough to hold a handgun.

I'm certainly not "anti-gun" although I do find them loudly obnoxious so I've gravitated to archery and knife throwing instead.
edit on 2013/6/30 by juniperberry because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by juniperberry

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by juniperberry
As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add


Would like to see some evidence to prove that. I don't know many gun owners who simply leave there firearms lying around. Let me guess, you are anti-gun and have zero experience with firearms.
edit on 29-6-2013 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)


Please. What part of being Canadian did you miss? I have both my restricted and unrestricted licenses and have been shooting on ranges since I was big enough to hold a handgun.

I'm certainly not "anti-gun" although I do find them loudly obnoxious so I've gravitated to archery and knife throwing instead.
edit on 2013/6/30 by juniperberry because: (no reason given)


Canadian myself, and I served in the reserves. You are simply stating an opinion, I want to see proof that "people just left their firearms in the open" Sure hope you don't go through a natural disaster and the RCMP go through your home to find those "free for all" firearms.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by vonclod
i heard today on the radio that the prime ministers office was a bit pissed and ordered the rcmp to return them, they were not seized by any order of the fed govt..it appears the provincial govt or rcmp are responcible
one thing the harper cons have done is do away with the long gun registy so long guns do not have to be registered..i wonder though how they knew where to go, i was thinking the database was not to be used after the registry scrapped..its bull#


I bet the RCMP in that district printed out a list of gun owners prior to the database being deleted. They would do this any time the database was used. Since the system was going to be discontinued, there wouldn't be an audit trail either.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
So the gun registry actually had a purpose


It's almost time for Canada to do what Brazil and Egypt are doing, this place is falling apart.


Can you please elaborate in this? I'm canadian and I want to know how is my country falling apart. Thanks in advance.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by knightrider078
I thought Canada was anti Gun ownership


I live in northern Ontario and we probably have more gun per capita then you guy's in the USA
I have 4-type 22 1-308 1-303 1-350 mag 1 -22/410 over/under and a few more

The only thing we do more then hockey is Hunting
and fishing



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Telos

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
So the gun registry actually had a purpose


It's almost time for Canada to do what Brazil and Egypt are doing, this place is falling apart.


Can you please elaborate in this? I'm canadian and I want to know how is my country falling apart. Thanks in advance.


Do you actually believe Canada is doing well?

-try to go see a specialist, see how long the wait is
-crime is high in our cities, especially Toronto
-unemployment is a huge issue, Canada is becoming the home of service sector jobs
-take a look at your grocery bill, inflation is starting to hit



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by juniperberry
As a Canadian, I'd be more inclined to believe that the owners were NOT following the posted gun laws and lots had them "sitting on a cupboard", likely in plain sight.

I'd rather have the cops go through picking them up than have looters having a "free-for-all".

Edit to add: And I'd like to see all those having a hissy-fit be fined for improper storage of a firearm.
edit on 2013/6/29 by juniperberry because: more thoughts to add


First of all, you are making ASSUMPTIONS that people left them unlocked.

Second of all, why weren't the police picking up knives(including kitchen knives), crossbows/bows etc? Criminals can loot those as well and commit plenty of crimes...

Third, since you want to fine people for protesting these draconian laws, I say that those like you should be fined for having this opinion on wanting to fine people with a different opinion than yours...

Even amongst regular people you get those who are dictator wannabes...



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by Telos

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
So the gun registry actually had a purpose


It's almost time for Canada to do what Brazil and Egypt are doing, this place is falling apart.


Can you please elaborate in this? I'm canadian and I want to know how is my country falling apart. Thanks in advance.


Do you actually believe Canada is doing well?

-try to go see a specialist, see how long the wait is
-crime is high in our cities, especially Toronto
-unemployment is a huge issue, Canada is becoming the home of service sector jobs
-take a look at your grocery bill, inflation is starting to hit


Well this are known problems and have been here for a while. And I'm not saying that everything is nice and smooth. But to go from here and say that the country is falling apart it's quite a jump. So again, I would like to hear from the quoted member, why is Canada falling apart.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Trillium

Originally posted by knightrider078
I thought Canada was anti Gun ownership


I live in northern Ontario and we probably have more gun per capita then you guy's in the USA
I have 4-type 22 1-308 1-303 1-350 mag 1 -22/410 over/under and a few more

The only thing we do more then hockey is Hunting
and fishing


Just in case I did not make myselft clear



and probably have as many in there steel gun cabinet



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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I have never lived in a country like USA/canada where firearms are a cultural must-have. However, I would have thought that if looters and criminals wanted firearms they would probably have their own - just like anyone else. In countries where it is not easy to get firearms without a lot of police checks and certificates etc, then I can see how it may be difficult for petty criminals to get firearms and how they would want to pick up any weapons they came across in their looting.

It is much more likely that these looters and criminals would go after jewellery and gold and other easy-to-get-rid-of stuff. It is probably only after this kind of stuff has been taken that the larger more difficult to carry stuff is taken.

I agree, there is no reason to enter peoples houses and take things. Any normal police force would just step up the patrols in the streets and make sure there were no looters around. To be trusted as a police force, you dont only have to do the right thing, but seen to do the right think too.





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