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Originally posted by Hawksage
no one here seems to have mentioned this but those bullets they were buying were hollow point they arnt used in target practice, They cost more and due to lighter wight of the bullet it is less accurate
Originally posted by boncho
When the threads were posted before covering how much the agencies were buying (ammo) some people eluded to death camps, rounding up citizens, martial law, etc, etc, etc.
I saw $$ immediately.
I can't remember the agreed upon number but let's say even 100 Million rounds at a time, times let's say 50 cents a round. That's 50 million.
DHS has 70,000 agents. If each fires 10-15 shots at the range on a weekend, that's easily a million rounds or more every weekend.
Simply regular target practice could eat through a huge amount of ammo.
But let's say the people at the top are friends with contractors providing the ammo. Hmm... That's a lot of money being thrown around.
You don't need some deep dark nefarious conspiracy here... There's just a ____ load of money involved. And that's clear as day.
Link to info.
Originally posted by ChuckNasty
Originally posted by Hawksage
no one here seems to have mentioned this but those bullets they were buying were hollow point they arnt used in target practice, They cost more and due to lighter wight of the bullet it is less accurate
You practice how you fight. Military does this all the time.
Note: Not stating that the military uses hollow point, but stating the military uses the same bullet for practice and war.
Seen a few DHS agents...they need all the practice they can get. Regular folk - really, they are just like you and you. Think I can out run them when I'm using crutches.
Do you target practice with hollow points?
Originally posted by fenson76
Guess that's why I used rimfire in bootcamp....Come on...if the outcome of a firefight is dependent on the people being trained to use a certain type of bullet.....they are fail. It makes NO difference.
Originally posted by ChuckNasty
Originally posted by fenson76
Guess that's why I used rimfire in bootcamp....Come on...if the outcome of a firefight is dependent on the people being trained to use a certain type of bullet.....they are fail. It makes NO difference.
That is why the USA has the best trained military. Rimfire for weapon qualifications...sad, very sad. Only know of 22s used in 1911 training back in my grandfather's era. There are special occasions when a flunky would use a cheaper round just to learn the basics of a gun and its operation.
Using a standard pressure, standard weight 115g, ball ammo round is night and day different from using a +P or +P+ 124g hollow point round. (9mm)
I'm pretty sure that the DHS practices with their regular duty round.
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by fenson76
Do you target practice with hollow points?
Do you give your friend the cheapest ammunition when they give you a gov contract paid by tax dollars?
Pistol quals for aircrew were done with the CHEAPEST AMMO AVAILABLE. Why would dhs need anything better? Sorry for stating facts that I witnessed first hand.
Originally posted by Hawksage
no one here seems to have mentioned this but those bullets they were buying were hollow point they arnt used in target practice, They cost more and due to lighter wight of the bullet it is less accurate
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by fenson76
Pistol quals for aircrew were done with the CHEAPEST AMMO AVAILABLE. Why would dhs need anything better? Sorry for stating facts that I witnessed first hand.
And are the same purchasing agents used for the Air Force that are used for DHS? No. My point here is its very possible there is a conspiracy here for ammo purchases. DHS already had one of its leaders outed for their degree obtained by a diploma mill.
Simply because you think every situation is the same when related to government contracts/purchasing, doesn't mean it is.
Originally posted by ChuckNasty
Originally posted by fenson76
Guess that's why I used rimfire in bootcamp....Come on...if the outcome of a firefight is dependent on the people being trained to use a certain type of bullet.....they are fail. It makes NO difference.
That is why the USA has the best trained military. Rimfire for weapon qualifications...sad, very sad. Only know of 22s used in 1911 training back in my grandfather's era. There are special occasions when a flunky would use a cheaper round just to learn the basics of a gun and its operation.
Using a standard pressure, standard weight 115g, ball ammo round is night and day different from using a +P or +P+ 124g hollow point round. (9mm)
I'm pretty sure that the DHS practices with their regular duty round.
Originally posted by ChuckNasty
Originally posted by Hawksage
no one here seems to have mentioned this but those bullets they were buying were hollow point they arnt used in target practice, They cost more and due to lighter wight of the bullet it is less accurate
You practice how you fight. Military does this all the time.
Note: Not stating that the military uses hollow point, but stating the military uses the same bullet for practice and war.
Seen a few DHS agents...they need all the practice they can get. Regular folk - really, they are just like you and you. Think I can out run them when I'm using crutches.