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Originally posted by TheMistro81
reply to post by flyswatter
It's pretty obvious what the complaint is. Snooping on American citizens. Plus, repeatedly lying about it by the obama admin. Did that really need clarified?
there anti west NWO agenda
Originally posted by TritonTaranis
The OP has more sense than 90% of ATSers banging the privacy drum, possibly combined
Its nice to see common sense slowly filtering back into peoples heads after being subjected to the laughable MSN cover story for Snowdens betrayal
Even Snowden's dad has said his son was exploited by Wikileaks... after Russia & China got what they wanted of course, Snowden is an absolute buffoon
And whats even more of a joke is the Conspiracy theorist for once are in line and agreeing with the MSN's BS cover story because it backs there anti west NWO agenda, now where does that make sense? what? dog chasing its tail springs to mind
edit on 28-6-2013 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AlienView
reply to post by tridentblue
Did you watch the 911 bombing on TV? The Boston Marathon Bombing? How many more? Should we give up and
let the terrorists have their way? Do you think they will protect your civil liberties?
Me, I've never met one of these "terrorist" or "mad bombers."
Originally posted by tridentblue
reply to post by AlienView
I want you to google two things. The first is:
Tsarnaev
The second is:
Tsar Bomba
The first will bring you to links of a man who made a bomb out of a pressure cooker, killing 4 people. He represents the threats of the modern times our security apparatus is fighting against. The second will being you to links of a Soviet hydrogen bomb so powerful, the shockwave from it circled the world 3 times. This represents the threat out security apparatus was up against 50 years ago.
The difference? 50 years ago, our government could not possibly tap or record the phone calls of all Americans to find KGB spies. The technology simply wasn't there yet. Yet they didn't need to in order to overcome the threat of Tsar Bomba. But 50 years later, they can, and claim they need this power, to overcome the threat of tsarnaev.
The issue is, they will ALWAYS do everything they can, and it has nothing to do with the threat profile they are up against, its always turned up to 11. The difference is technology keeps handing them more and more power to spy deeper and deeper, even with a threat profile that's less and less deadly.
That's what Snowden called the "architecture of oppression.", its a system which is getting more and more power over us to protect us from less and less dangerous threats.
Originally posted by Variable
reply to post by burdman30ott6
Me, I've never met one of these "terrorist" or "mad bombers."
So what? Do you believe they don't exist? One is in jail right now. You think he is innocent?
There are people who want to attack the United States.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by AlienView
but what if (hypothetically speaking of course) the same government that is spying on you is also controlling, funding and training the very terrorists that you are worried about, the very terrorists that they are supposedly protecting you from by spying on you?? But I'm sure something like that could never happen here in America... right?
Originally posted by TheMistro81
reply to post by flyswatter
To me, we should be more concerned with the illegAl things our government is doing... and hold them accountable. As far as thongs being brought into the open that foreign countries shouldn't know due to being clarified... I don't see anything that is that bad that snowden brought into the open. Or did I miss something?
Personally, I'm more concerned that our government is bringing more havoc than any secret that snowden could have leaked to foreign countries. I see snowden leaking these thongs as good for our country so maybe, just maybe some chance can occur.
So what did snowden do to deserve treason charges?