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posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 01:19 AM
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God shows Himself throughout the whole of His creation.

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)

The heavens tell of the glory of God. The skies display His marvelous craftsmanship. Day after day they continue to speak; night after night they make Him known. They speak without a sound or a word; their voice is silent in the skies; yet their message has gone out to all the earth, and their words to all the world..." (Psalm 19:1)

Yet with all of the technology and the vast potential resources at our disposal, there simply cannot be any way to justify ignorance of our Creator other than by personal choice. That we are conscious and aware, that we even exist at all, is solely due to God's decision for it to be so. Yet countless individuals live out their entire lives utterly absorbed with themselves and how they are affected by the world around them. Even worse, are the countless individuals which live out their entire lives in a conscious effort to run away from the reality of His existence.

After all, the logic of the world states that if God doesn't exist, then there is no accountability to Him. Unfortunately in that regard, God exists whether anyone believes in Him or not. And that also goes for the issue of accountability. God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:4]

Jesus said "seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Our Savior is trustworthy and no lie can be found in Him. The problem is, people are simply too distracted and too wrapped up in themselves, their lives and everyone else's, to stand there and knock. God works in His timing, not ours. Our effort to seek gets interrupted, put off until the next day, but the next day comes with distractions of its own, "...tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." (Matt 6:34)
This process repeats itself until our mind becomes a slave to this world and our necessities and desires that go along with it. Yet Jesus told us to be kingdom minded, "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven." (Matt 6:10)

To be kingdom minded is to be aware of and understand that the world we live in and perceive around us is an illusion. We live in a paradox: all the things that are seen and perceived will rot and fade away; yet the things that truly matter cannot be seen for they are eternal, and can only be perceived through God's Spirit.

Our only anchor among the raging waves of distraction and deception in this sea of illusion is the substance of faithful prayer. The burden of our longing to be with our Father, tethered by a line of hope that reaches unto heaven itself. Without prayer and intimate consumption of His counsel, we are left to be tossed about in the tempest of this present darkness.

To stay afloat, is to stay in prayer:
"...that at all times they ought to PRAY and not lose heart." (Luke 18:1)
"We must pray in faith without doubting" (James 1:6,7)
"pray without ceasing;" (1 thess 5:17)

To ride out this storm is to hang on to our line of hope with all that we are-- not all that remains of us after being ransacked and gleaned by the distractions of this world.

God has given us His all. The whole of creation was purposed for the creation of mankind, which was and-- although at this time still fallen-- is to be an eternal habitation for His Glory. A multitude of individual reflections of all the potential expressions of His holy nature, yet having been endowed with the free will to choose such. An eternal abode constructed of living stones-- Unique, individual souls, each having chosen to seek out and reflect their ultimate purpose with a humble heart.

Jesus stated, "Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it." Therefore only those whom are willing to give God their all, make up the true Body of Christ. Forsaking this world for the next, honoring Him and not ourselves, is how we preserve the eternal inheritance He eagerly awaits to share with us.


"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;
and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’

Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
(Acts 17:24)




posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
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God has given us His all. The whole of creation was purposed for the creation of mankind, which was and-- although at this time still fallen-- is to be an eternal habitation for His Glory. A multitude of individual reflections of all the potential expressions of His holy nature, yet having been endowed with the free will to choose such. An eternal abode constructed of living stones-- Unique, individual souls, each having chosen to seek out and reflect their ultimate purpose with a humble heart.



Okay, seriously: What are we supposed to do with stars/galaxies billions of lightyears away? What is their purpose to mankind?



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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They're pretty to look at, but apparently they serve no other purpose.

It's pretty arrogant to think the entire universe was created just for us few on this tiny speck of dirt floating in the wind.
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posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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There's no way anyone can convince me that the God of the Old Testament is the creator of this world or any other world. He may be the creator of the movie that the PTB have created for us, and casted us into, but my union won't allow me accept the role.



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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There's no way anyone can convince me that the God of the Old Testament is the creator of this world or any other world. He may be the creator of the movie that the PTB have created for us, and casted us into, but my union won't allow me accept the role.



The potential for corruption is not the same as the manifestation of it. God's creation was perfect because God is perfect. However, because He gave the apex of His creation the free will to choose and trust Him and His plan for it to be realized, the potential for corruption was necessarily placed within it.

Free will means that individuals choose their actions. For God to be truly just, He must necessarily allow choice to manifest itself, regardless of whether it is something that He agrees with or not.

Thankfully, just as creation itself had a point of beginning, it also has point of culmination. Surely we could not expect that He would have allowed for His creation to be carried out in eternal corruption. I consider this proof that God knew the end would justify the means.

God desired to manifest Himself creatively, with an ultimate purpose to be a form of eternal fellowship with all the potential of His marvelous nature, yet expressed in unique individuals that chose to reflect such. We were created to be that reflection, but only God is God. God can choose, thus He necessarily had to create us with the same potential.
Only God is perfect. Only God can consume corruption and not be corrupted by it. He is all and is in all, simply because there is nothing that did not come from Him. Therefore, as this necessarily means that the potential of all things resides in Him, corruption itself was manifested by the consumption of it by His reflection which, by nature, was incapable of withstanding it.

Thus introducing a second way for creation to carry itself out. Each potential being set against each other in enmity.



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
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God has given us His all. The whole of creation was purposed for the creation of mankind, which was and-- although at this time still fallen-- is to be an eternal habitation for His Glory. A multitude of individual reflections of all the potential expressions of His holy nature, yet having been endowed with the free will to choose such. An eternal abode constructed of living stones-- Unique, individual souls, each having chosen to seek out and reflect their ultimate purpose with a humble heart.



Okay, seriously: What are we supposed to do with stars/galaxies billions of lightyears away? What is their purpose to mankind?


And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, "


When God created the heavens and the earth He also created space and time. Before time began there was only eternity. God is a timeless being and time only began with His creation of the universe.

Before creation there was communication, planning, and love within Himself. After creation that communication and love was directed toward humanity.
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him, in love."



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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Th conundrum of "free will"is the vicious cycle all untruth spins from.If God is sovereign ( and he is) then NOTHING can be free of his causation (will)...We make many multitude of choices all our life's however NONE are free of causation which is all being caused by The Creator.It is built into his name (nature)...I WILL BE what I WILL BE.Which religion has reduced to I Am or the tetragramatton YHWH...and of course that is a whole other discourse but the crux is germane to the point you are making.

Choosing is not willing.The will is a mechanism of spirit (life.. zoe) to make choices and every choice is guided and caused by the Creator God.That is how it all works.We are not privy to his will choices and causation.The nebula forming billions of light years away all have a purpose beyond our comprehension and application. It would serve no more purpose now to "know" what they are than if Einstein tried explaining general relativity to the ants in his kitchen.

Yes ..ALL is made by the Creator God.Romans 1 is leading us to the answer.It only looks like chaos and entropy to the ants.None of Gods "plan" has been foiled by man or satan or anything.God is 100% completely in control of EVERYTHING.What the scriptures call "salvation"is deliverance..growth.Nothing is born/begat in maturity(which is the definition of perfect in the scriptures)EVERYTHING grows.That is the basis of the parable of the seed and soils.

The conundrum for the religious mind is it can't reconcile mysticism with the fact everything grows by the principles of math ONLY....not "mysticism".The parable of the seed and soil is math.The culmination is the seed grows a tree that produces fruit 30,60,100 fold.That is a Fibonacci sequence which science now knows all things grow by.

The Fibonacci sequence holds the numbers that are the image of the perfect(mature) relationship between The Creator God and his creation...The Golden ratio..Phi.To calculate the Golden ratio divide 2 adjacent Fibonacci numbers(Fn)..As the Fn grow higher the closer they come to the irrational number(an INFINITE number that never resolves) phi/Phi
1:0.618....=phi
1:1.618....=Phi

Fn11/Fn12=
89/144=0.61805555555...to infinity

Fn13/Fn12=
233/144=1.6180555555...to infinity

It is no coincidence 144 is Fn12.It is 1of the 2 infinite Fn that is a square of it's number.

Fn1=1
1x1=1
Fn12=144
12x12=144

144 is not a random number for the 144,000 of Revelation 7&14...Or the measurement of the New Jerusalem walls in Rev 21.It is the Golden ratio(In Rev 21 it is the golden reed of measurement).The math is so much deepr than anyone can imagine and it all sums perfectly even on the shallow end.The creator God is a perfect being with no variance of light.He creates everything through his word.The Living word of God...MATH.

The religious believe in mysticism most of which is mixed with pagan fantasy that have no basis in the Truth.The Creator God of all existence(infinite universes) is not a fantasy of mysticism.Yahoshua was always speaking in math hid in plain sight.We are just now beginning to understand it.(quantum physics).We are not to worship words..that is babel..the confusion of words ... Babylon..RELIGION!.....nor NUMBERS.The numbers signify what IS.They are the witnesses of the perfection of all creation.God is the one doing the Creating not man.Man has never created ANYTHING on his own.Man has never chose, caused or WILLED anything on his own.EVERYTHING is made through the Creator.

The revealing of that is the 1st and only the 1st step into salvation.Everything else is a preliminary.NO ONE seeks God ... NO ONE...God is the seeker and the finder.The anchor is not an anchor it is a weight of glory.One that is 100% given and will be given to ALL of creation.Not just a few...the religious of this age are the ones that are blinded by mysticism by The Creator.

The material heavens (heaven is NOT somewhere out there it is IN your midst) are clothed in the glory of the Creator....and are but a small speck on an atom.Mans mind has not even begun to conceive who and what God is.When they have seen through the mirror darkly and God has put away their childish toys then he will reveal it..and it will be what is already in front of them ....and beyond their wildest imagination.God truly is the CREATOR of ALL.

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posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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Not just a few...the religious of this age are the ones that are blinded by mysticism by The Creator.


The "religious" believe that God forbid the practice of mysticism and divination.

So, can you tell us more about who and what you're talking about and how you differ?



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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And you're blind to the fact that those are the exact things religions teach. Look up the definitions of those two words and tell me they aren't what religion teaches.



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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God shows Himself throughout the whole of His creation. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)


Where is this god's signature on all that has been made?

Seems the following question is going to be my mantra for a while:

Does a forest fire prove that an arsonist started it?



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Deuteronomy 18:10

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

Ezekiel 12:24

24 For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

2 Kings 17:17

17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

Jeremiah 14:14

Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Ezekiel 13:6

They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

Ezekiel 21:23

And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

Jeremiah 27:9-10

9 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:

10 For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.


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posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj
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God shows Himself throughout the whole of His creation. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)


Where is this god's signature on all that has been made?

Seems the following question is going to be my mantra for a while:

Does a forest fire prove that an arsonist started it?


I suppose that would depend on whether or not you believed that arsonists existed.

If so, then that would depend on your definition of 'arsonist'.

That would bring you into a similar situation that we find with the institution of religion--- a myriad of beliefs, yet there can only be one Absolute Truth. Ironically, no religious institution is entirely correct, yet paradoxically, bits of Absolute Truth can be found within some of them.

Just as fire is fire and burns all the same, regardless of who started the flame-- God is God and He exists, regardless of whether you believe Him or not.



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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Not just a few...the religious of this age are the ones that are blinded by mysticism by The Creator.


The "religious" believe that God forbid the practice of mysticism and divination.

So, can you tell us more about who and what you're talking about and how you differ?


Mysticism is the religion of religion.The creeds and doctrines of belief that are the tradtions of men shrouded in ritual and false piety that make void the Living word of God.
It comes in many forms of false doctrines.These are just a very few from Christianity alone.

Hell the eternal place of torture by the "just" God,
Heaven a place of eternal bliss and perfection where only those who said a prayer to beleive in "Jesus" go after death.
The trinity the 3 person Godhead of the Triune God.
The "holy" bible is literaly the word of God called Jesus
The magic power of the blood of Jesus
Salavation is an event caused by a prayer and sustained by belief and works and church goings and and and.....
The great tribulation is the cataclysmic "apocalypse" of God destroying his enemies of satan and evil men who do not believe in him and the detsruction of planet earth.
The Lake of Fire is HELL(absolute insanity!)
Jesus is going to return in THE FLESH and literally rule and reign with Christain "saints" for a literal thousand years from the "city" of New Jerusalem that is 1,500 mile cube...(more insanity)
The rapture of Christain"church" of true belivers into heaven
THE Antichrist is a person who is possesed by satan and becomes the world leader during the Great tribulation.
The great war of Armageddon is a battle between God and man.
Satan is Lucifer the Morning star who rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven and a 3rd of the angels followed him and they are now demons
Genitic Jews and or Isrealites are Gods chosen people.

etc etc etc....

I could go on for pages in major detail of every major Christian doctrine and all religions which this is just the tip of an atom on an iceberg that has zero basis in Truth.It is mysticism concocted through the carnal mind of things that don't exist.It is God giving the religious over to a rebrobate mind to believe a delusion.

I am not writing any of this to convince anyone of anything.I know for a fact it is impossible for anyone to know unless God reveals The Truth.There is no mysticism in any of it.God is not a tragedian drama queen or a attention seeker who DEMANDS worship and ritual.The Truth is what it IS.It can't be prayed or taught or meditated it can only be revealed then known.There is ZERO religion(belief) involved...1+1=2
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posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by WashMoreFeet

I suppose that would depend on whether or not you believed that arsonists existed.

If so, then that would depend on your definition of 'arsonist'.

That would bring you into a similar situation that we find with the institution of religion--- a myriad of beliefs, yet there can only be one Absolute Truth. Ironically, no religious institution is entirely correct, yet paradoxically, bits of Absolute Truth can be found within some of them.

Just as fire is fire and burns all the same, regardless of who started the flame-- God is God and He exists, regardless of whether you believe Him or not.


All that you have stated is utterly irrelevant. My statement doesn't even question whether or not a god exists. It's not about faith. It's about looking at something, like the planets, and claiming your god made them. There is no evidence of this. They do not point to a god. Just as a forest fire doesn't point to an arsonist.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 03:40 AM
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What are they all going to do when at some point they come to the realization that it was all a big fat LIE??



I told ya so doesn't even come close to beginning to cover it!



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 05:40 AM
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What is your definition of God and the Living word of God?

How did God find you?



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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What is your definition of God

I will quote Gods definition ....it is his name(nature)

I Will Be What I WILL BE.
אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה=543


Originally posted by Deetermined
and the Living word of God?


God of the Living not of the dead.The Law kills...Spirit IS LIFE....
spirit=πνεύμα
πνεύμα=576
576/4=144


Originally posted by Deetermined
How did God find you?


Very easily.I was right where he put me.No one seeks after God..NO ONE...only God seeks and finds.The red pill is not difficult to swallow if it is revealed but then you can never turn back.Blue pills are EVERYWHERE and easy to find and swallow but only produce sleep.



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Rex282

I could go on for pages in major detail of every major Christian doctrine and all religions which this is just the tip of an atom on an iceberg that has zero basis in Truth.It is mysticism concocted through the carnal mind of things that don't exist.It is God giving the religious over to a rebrobate mind to believe a delusion.

I am not writing any of this to convince anyone of anything.I know for a fact it is impossible for anyone to know unless God reveals The Truth.There is no mysticism in any of it.God is not a tragedian drama queen or a attention seeker who DEMANDS worship and ritual.The Truth is what it IS.It can't be prayed or taught or meditated it can only be revealed then known.There is ZERO religion(belief) involved...1+1=2
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How did you derive at your conclusion because you do not write about what that is? What is your understanding of the condition of your soul having entered this paradigm? Do you not feel and know you are fallen? Do you not feel inside that deafening silence the fear inside your soul without salvation?

You have said here that God reveals the truth and the truth is what it is yet you don't say what that is? Do you not feel that 'emptiness' and the great 'void' that people keep evading by the endless number of distractions and sedation? If you are not 'Convicted' and feel a genuine repentance then you are not receiving the truth but instead are prey to the dominions that rule over your senses, logic and heart.

Are you not trying to reason and put logic to that very same 'void'?

To WashMoreFeet,
This is a beautiful and very needed thread thank you WMF.
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posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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Where is this god's signature on all that has been made?


His signature is the order that comprises the universe. Order cannot come from chaos. Earth by the very diversity of it's complex multicellular life couldn't have come from a random act of chaos. This world sitting in the "goldylocks zone" which is the perfect spot for life to grow and endure, neither too hot nor too cold but just right, and then the life that bloomed within it was also just right. Chaos doesn't create perfection. Way too many perfections and this God, if astronomy is to be believed, seems to have a profound love for creating perfect exo-earths with the right conditions for sustaining complex multicellular life.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by BlackGetsuga
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Where is this god's signature on all that has been made?


His signature is the order that comprises the universe. Order cannot come from chaos. Earth by the very diversity of it's complex multicellular life couldn't have come from a random act of chaos. This world sitting in the "goldylocks zone" which is the perfect spot for life to grow and endure, neither too hot nor too cold but just right, and then the life that bloomed within it was also just right. Chaos doesn't create perfection. Way too many perfections and this God, if astronomy is to be believed, seems to have a profound love for creating perfect exo-earths with the right conditions for sustaining complex multicellular life.


I agree with you on almost all of it. I also look at the incredible and awesome machine we call DNA, but these things do NOT prove your god, or their god, or aliens, or something from nothing. There is no chain of evidence (universal fingerprints) that point to any single cause or creator.

A forest fire does not prove an arsonist.
A pregnant woman does not prove a rapist.
A universe does not prove a god.
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When we look at the universe and claim a god did it, what we're doing is this:

We stand at the very edge of a crime scene, a crime that we didn't witness, and we see a dead woman with a bullet hole to her forehead and a gun lying nearby. You call out, "Her husband did it!" Someone else claims, "No, an illegal alien did it!". I declare, "No, she did it herself!"

Now, one of us just might be right, but it would be a lucky guess. We have absolutely no proof because without fingerprints on the gun, the dead woman and the gun does not prove a husband, illegal alien, or suicide.
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