"Military and Intelligence Sponsored UFO Research: Was Science on the Agenda?"

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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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Professor Michael Swords has been at it again and for folks interested in the U.S. Government's 'handling' of the UFO subject down the years then there's some really interesting reading at the links below taken from his talks at this year's annual meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration.

The subject in question being "MILITARY and INTELLIGENCE-SPONSORED UFO RESEARCH: Was Science on the Agenda?", the discussion really does contain a few gems and covers topics such as the behind the scenes goings on at the Pentagon, Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Bluebook and the Robertson panel as well as the 1947/1952 UFO flaps and the Green fireball sightings over secret Atomic labs like Los Alamos and Oak Ridge.






Also mentioned is the U.S. Military's JANAP 146 regulation and the research conducted by NICAP, Dr Hynek, Dr Mcdonald and the Battelle Institute's study of official UFO case files -there's also government UFO documents concerning official studies and photographs of the Generals, Officers and scientists involved so it's nice to finally be able to put some names to faces.


* For those who haven't heard of Professor Swords before then he was also co-author of THIS recent publication which goes into more detail about the topics raised and does a great job of showing just how extremely seriously the UFO subject has been taken by the world's governments - he also conducted some remarkable research on this case which still remains completely unexplained.



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Pentagon Science:




1952 Government attitudes:

Still cruising across the military intelligence handling of UFOs problem.... here is a thumbnail on where we are in mid-1952:


1). The Air Force, despite public comment to the contrary,was quite concerned about these violations of American airspace about which we apparently can't even detect in a timely manner let alone do anything about;

2). The Pentagon was now full of highly placed officers who were taking this issue very seriously; this included the Assistant Director of Intelligence, who had seen a UFO himself, and the spooky Stefan Possony, the psychological warfare expert with an office desk right in General Samford's own DI spaces;

3). Hypotheses for the nature of these objects in the reports were: a]. they don't exist; everyone is making mistake after mistake; b]. these things are ours, but someone isn't bothering to tell The Pentagon about them, despite being directly asked; c]. these things are Soviet very high-tech devices of a completely unsuspected development, the breakthroughs required being very difficult to conceive; d]. these things are Soviet, but of technical capabilities less than what some of the reports might envision; they are tricky but more conventional than we think, and are likely some vast Soviet psychological warfare scheme; e). these things are exactly what they are reported to be and therefore beyond the current capability of Earth technology.

4). In 1952, despite some Pentagon analysts wanting to believe "a", the two prominent guesses were "d" and "e";

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Link Series:

The 2013 Annual Meeting of The Society for Scientific Exploration: post one

2013 SSE Meeting, part two

Society For Scientific Exploration 2013 Annual Meeting, post three

Society for Scientific Exploration, post four

Society for Scientific Exploration 2013 Annual Meeting, post five

Society for Scientific Exploration Annual Meeting 2013, post six
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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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And here we are still years down the line waiting on them openly discussing the very real phenomenon of UFOs.

How exactly does a government who have openly lied and tried to just forget about this stuff still have trust from the people? Boggles my mind sometimes, and not just that but they're illegally spying on us?


The term "for the people" doesn't apply here.



posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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Nuclear powered aircraft. There's a thread on here with a highly respected man with credentials out the wazo saying exactly that! The Russians got the tech first, go old recruiting. Nazi's at the time had ufo shaped objects in the works. Then America gets it, some way or another and there you have it. This scenario covers sightings during the time frame but what about sightings before then?



posted on Jun, 29 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Good job on bringing that up, another +1 from me. More and more documents make me exclude that UFOs are a coverup story of conventional technology and that it may be something not even from Earth.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by karl 12
The subject in question being "MILITARY and INTELLIGENCE-SPONSORED UFO RESEARCH: Was Science on the Agenda?", the discussion really does contain a few gems and covers topics such as the behind the scenes goings on at the Pentagon, Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Bluebook and the Robertson panel as well as the 1947/1952 UFO flaps and the Green fireball sightings over secret Atomic labs like Los Alamos and Oak Ridge.

Ofcourse science is on the agenda.
And not only theoretical science but actual recovery of advanced technology.
Why do you think they went to the moon and now mars? To get their hands on technology.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
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And here we are still years down the line waiting on them openly discussing the very real phenomenon of UFOs.

How exactly does a government who have openly lied and tried to just forget about this stuff still have trust from the people? Boggles my mind sometimes, and not just that but they're illegally spying on us?


The term "for the people" doesn't apply here.



Same goes for the Kennedy assassination.

Stuff still locked away for National Security


If it doesn't affect people's day to day lives, it just isn't important to talk about. Even though if the truth came out about many things that have been labeled "conspiracies", the world would probably change so quick it would be a blur.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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Super duper thread Karl.
Very thought provoking, well said and well presented.

That's some high up intelligence in 1952
concentrating on Venus and Swamp Gas.
I believe they were fascinated by the
genuine phenomena of Unknown Flying Objects, just like the public.

Maybe some were Russian approximations of the German Der Glocke?
Maybe the Kecksburg bell was the US Government version?

Also what's up with these Rune, or Hieroglyph symbols,
said to be on the German Bell UFO and the Kecksburg PA
UFO?

..... why copy the Heiroglyphics?
Hieroglyphs show up in UFO lore a little too much to dismiss
right away IMO.....or, at least until Jim Oberg gets here.
Which ever comes first.

Maybe these symbols point to the recovery by the Germans of an ET Drone UFO?
Or even that it was built by channeling alien technology
through a psychic medium of sorts. You know," Goebbels' style" ?
(write a song and shoot a YouTube for that one & see what happens)

I'll end with purely speculative drivel,
just like the rest of my post.

The CIA's use of UFO's as counterintelligence
against Russia for psyops purposes,
says to me (in a not so obvious way)
that, the USA too, felt genuine UFO's were scary,
much more powerful, and much more advanced
than anything they'd ever known.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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Appreciate the replies and there really is some great info posted at those links - will post back when free time allows.

The Society for Scientific Exploration Website is also definitely worth a look.



The Society for Scientific Exploration



Originally posted by Zcustosmorum

How exactly does a government who have openly lied and tried to just forget about this stuff still have trust from the people? Boggles my mind sometimes, and not just that but they're illegally spying on us?


Hola mate, when it comes to the NSA maybe someone was spying on them back in 1973.



UFO Hovers Over NSA Base - Australia, October, 1973.


Cheers.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 08:03 PM
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More from Professor Swords about Mark Rodeghier's presentation at the 32nd annual meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration:



RODEGHIER Tells You What You Need To Know: SSE Meeting 2103




Mark Rodeghier presented a lecture titled “Pattern Changes In The UFO Phenomenon,”


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posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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sealing

That's some high up intelligence in 1952
concentrating on Venus and Swamp Gas.
I believe they were fascinated by the
genuine phenomena of Unknown Flying Objects, just like the public.


It really is some high up intelligence mate and I'm sure the people involved really were fascinated by the phenomena -as Richard Thieme mentions in this interview about government documents, it's hard not to conclude 'the ETH was on the table' and Capt Ruppelt also stated that, as well as the U.S., the authorities were also receiving a large number of credible military reports from pilots involved in the Korean war:



"In June 1952 the Air Force was taking the UFO problem seriously. One of the reasons was that there were a lot of good UFO reports coming in from Korea. Fighter pilots reported seeing silver colored spheres or disks on several occasions, and radar in Japan, Okinawa, and in Korea had tracked unidentified targets."

Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, head of Project Blue book, in his book "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects

UFO Reports during the Korean War.



There's also a good link here and here from Prof Swords about who was in charge of what and Pentagon / USAF reorganization from 1947 to ­1952 -also just saw this link from the Society for Scientific Exploration and it looks to have some interesting articles.





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