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Karl Kerenyi points out that the older tales mentioned two dragons, who were perhaps intentionally conflated; the other was a female dragon (drakaina) named Delphyne in the Homeric Hymn to Apollo, with whom dwelt a male serpent named Typhon: "The narrators seem to have confused the dragon of Delphi, Python, with Typhon or Typhoeus, the adversary of Zeus". The enemy dragoness "... actually became an Apollonian serpent, and Pythia, the priestess who gave oracles at Delphi, was named after him.
Many pictures show the serpent Python living in amity with Apollo and guarding the Omphalos, the sacred navel-stone and mid-point of the earth, which stood in Apollo's temple" (Kerenyi 1951:136).
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe
You didn't really address what I said. Where did Jesus' former body go? Wouldn't it be logical to assume that the body that went missing was the same body that Jesus returned in? I think it's awfully coincidental that his "glorified" body bared the same wounds as the body that went missing from the cave.
What exactly is the significance of the shroud/face cloth blood matching? Is it impossible for a forger to use the same blood on two separate pieces of his forgery? Were you trying to make a point? Because you failed to, sorry.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
The original teachings of Jesus weren't edited, but they were added to with the Last Supper Eucharist teaching in my opinion. Dionysus had a ritual where people ate bread and wine to honor him hundreds of years before Jesus.
What parts of the bible do you believe the Romans edited exactly? Could it have been the pagan miracles that are associated with Greco-Roman pagan deities? If you can't make the connection with the editing and the pagan miracles then you are choosing to ignore it.
The Dionysian Mysteries were a ritual of ancient Greece and Rome which used intoxicants and other trance-inducing techniques (like dance and music) to remove inhibitions and social constraints, liberating the individual to return to a natural state. It also provided some liberation for those marginalized by Greek society: women, slaves and foreigners.
In their final phase the Mysteries shifted their emphasis from a chthonic, underworld orientation to a transcendental, mystical one, with Dionysus changing his nature accordingly (similar to the change in the cult of Shiva)
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The rites were based on a seasonal death-rebirth theme (common among agricultural cults) and spirit possession; the Osirian Mysteries paralleled the Dionysian, according to contemporary Greek and Egyptian observers. Spirit possession involved liberation from civilization's rules and constraints. It celebrated that which was outside civilized society and a return to the source of being—which would later assume mystical overtones. It also involved escape from the socialized personality and ego into an ecstatic, deified state or the primal herd (sometimes both). In this sense Dionysus was the beast-god within, or the unconscious mind of modern psychology. Such activity has been interpreted as fertilizing, invigorating, cathartic, liberating and transformative, so it is not surprising that many devotees of Dionysus were those on the margins of society: women, slaves, outlaws and "foreigners" (non-citizens, in Greek democracy). All were equal in a cult that inverted their roles, similar to the Roman Saturnalia.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Honey was not just bee's honey . . . it included the sap of trees . . . I will concede that the entomology of the term is debatable and the insect is the most popular understanding in which case it would still not be plaguing him but sustaining him which doesn't fit with the plagues sent by Apollo.
So now Jesus is John the Baptist who is Bacchus?
I agree that John has some minor resemblances to the cultured Dionysian but he wasn't presenting women with a phallus and flagellating them nor was he making men participate in plays. The act of baptism was a common ritual across the world. There was no ecstatic release from rhythmic drumming and dancing and he was not associated with beasts.
John's thrysus did not drip with honey and Dionysus was not associated with locusts. So are you now trying to paint him as a follower of Dionysus rather than the god himself?
Your connections are growing more and more vague and disjointed. Honey, wine, bread, water . . . it must be!
I have read your thread, and thank you again for linking it, but I disagree. The whole theory is barely passable in mathematical language as a piece wise function with non continuity in the domain mean it cannot be derivated rationally.
reply to post by windword
Text Jesus never said any such thing. So, how does the writer of Colossians know that?