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Pre-existence, Reincarnation & Christianity

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posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 12:25 AM
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To answer your questions; I'll present you with properly translated/decoded revelations.

Don't believe me, go and double check it from the historical versions. Much of the bibles time references are actually poorly translated or encoded numerology.



REVELATION 11:

3. And witness now the 'two as one', and as predicted see the emergence of days when what you knew as 'one' becomes 'two' and want for nothing under the grace of God, when all that is hidden shall be revealed to all.

4. These are the two of peaceful heart and the two of wrathful judgement, who have stood in the council of the God of our lands.

5. And shall the darkness of man bring forth fire in their words. They shall destroy their enemies and all believing them to be evil shall be seen defeated.

6. Only they can halt the rains from the sky, and they will pour it as promised, spreading the waters to wash away sins of blood from the lands, and bring the sinners what they deserve.

7. And when introduced by this testimony, see the anger of men rise by the darkness inside of them, to make war in words against them. But defeat of these they will.

8. And the people will take to the streets demanding human rights and in its name will be burnt Egypt, which has long seen God forgotten.

9. Leaving many nations and bloodlines to denounce them. These nations shall see these people brought into days of the love of God, under 'one of the two'. And the violent ways of their past shall be buried with their dead.

10. And all living in this land will rejoice greatly and give gifts to each other because 'the two' showed them how the prophet had hurt all inhabitanting their land:

11. And born shall be the days of Gods pure love, when as one; 'the breathe of life from God' shines through them in everything they do. And great reverence will fall upon them by all who see them.

12. For they have heard the great voice from the heavens telling them; “Stand up and address your people. Raise the clouds in the sky and show them who has sent you.”


I am the water-bearer, Gods star of the West. Simon Alejandro. Samuel Sabas.

I have swallowed the Dragon and in doing so become more than man, under God.

I am to bring the new Gospel, translated correctly for you all.

How did I have these experiences? I walked for seven years in the darkest places of man, until at 33 in my darkest hour upon the verge of the abyss, God came and sought me out. They appeared to me as an Angel of pure light, giving me love they told me of their plans for me upon this Earth. Then they brought me my beloved, so I may start my work. Now I am Gods defender of man.

Believe my words or not makes no difference to the legitimacy of my claim. Egypt will now burn. Just as I have foretold.

I do not wish to detract from the topic of OP's thread, so if you wish to take discussion further off-topic with me, please do so in U2U.




posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 12:50 AM
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Okay you could have just said through a Theosophy inspired branch of some esoteric contingent.

Blah blah blah the 7 years at age 33 is just more raising the kundalini (activating your 7 chakras) up the 33 vertebrae of your spinal column to your skull to experience illumination through the stargate of your pineal gland. You met your lover cupid or rather your guardian angel (higher self).

God's star of the west the water bearer, hmm another golden new ager's reference to Aquarius . . .

Yea . . . been there done that. Though it doesn't sound like you even bothered to ask any questions and merely accepted it all as truth.

I asked questions.

This thread deals with reincarnation, please address that issue of the whole ordeal.

I have already explained your 'mystic' symbolism earlier in this thread so need to continue attempts to be mysterious about it.

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Though you may have been overcome by the vibrations and as a result lost your lucidity and ability to question.
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posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
I believe he will be one of two witnesses....and the beast will kill him...that will be his "once appointed death"...

A2D


Hi there…

I was following your discussion with 3NL1GHT3N3D1, which seemed to reach a slight impasse, by your last reply above.

I’m real curious here; and I’ve never heard of this theology before. May I enquire, as to what scriptures support such a view, that Elijah will be one of the 2 witnesses, mentioned in Revelations, and do you know who the other witness will be?

I have to say at this stage, I find it hard to believe that one man or prophet, would be singled out, to live on, unlike the ALL the other prophets. There may however, be a case for John the Apostle to have lived on, based on John 21:22, but even that is little bit sketchy, on it’s own.

- JC



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Try Malachi chapter 4 verse 5 to find where Elijah will return as a witness .



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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Text Try Malachi chapter 4 verse 5 to find where Elijah will return as a witness .
reply to post by SimonPeter
 


@ SimonPeter

Mal 4:5 Behold, I am sending you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Jehovah.
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the sons, and the heart of the sons to their fathers, that I not come and strike the earth with utter destruction.

Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him, Do not fear, Zacharias. For your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
Luke 1:14 And you shall have joy and gladness, and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall neither drink wine nor strong drink. And he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
Luke 1:16 And he shall turn many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God.
Luke 1:17 And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Notice that Malachi is prophesying John the Baptist. Compare Luke 1:17 with Malachi 4:6 - I still see nothing of the two witnesses being Elijah and Enoch. I realize that it is taught to many people in that manner but I do not see it in the bible.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 08:52 PM
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A question for those who support reincarnation. If reincarnation is a reality then the bible is full of hearsay and not reliable at all. If a person reincarnates till he or she gets it right then there is no purpose for a hell. Hell would be senseless throughout the scriptures both OT and NT. Jesus would be a phony because His entire doctrine hinges upon one death of the soul and one judgment of the spirit . Explain just how this reincarnation works in Christianity. I see no Christianity in reincarnation.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Seede
A question for those who support reincarnation. If reincarnation is a reality then the bible is full of hearsay and not reliable at all. If a person reincarnates till he or she gets it right then there is no purpose for a hell. Hell would be senseless throughout the scriptures both OT and NT. Jesus would be a phony because His entire doctrine hinges upon one death of the soul and one judgment of the spirit . Explain just how this reincarnation works in Christianity. I see no Christianity in reincarnation.


Well put brother/sister. Some people will just never get it. They want the Bible to agree with everything that the Bible disagree's with. It's baffling. Great post.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
 


I believe he will be one of two witnesses....and the beast will kill him...that will be his "once appointed death"...

A2D


So where has Elijah been all this time? Is he still hanging out in that whirlwind somewhere or do you believe he was he taken up to heaven?



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by Seede
A question for those who support reincarnation. If reincarnation is a reality then the bible is full of hearsay and not reliable at all. If a person reincarnates till he or she gets it right then there is no purpose for a hell. Hell would be senseless throughout the scriptures both OT and NT. Jesus would be a phony because His entire doctrine hinges upon one death of the soul and one judgment of the spirit . Explain just how this reincarnation works in Christianity. I see no Christianity in reincarnation.


Well put brother/sister. Some people will just never get it. They want the Bible to agree with everything that the Bible disagree's with. It's baffling. Great post.



Besides the passage, "It's appointed to man to die once...." which doesn't invalidate reincarantion, where does the Bible decry it?

If early church fathers would have embraced reincarnation, Christianity would still be alive and well, with oversoul Jesus being our light at the end of the tunnel.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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The Great and terrible day of the Lord is the time when Jesus comes back . To some it will be great to most it will be the terrible realization that they are hell bound for not partaking of the Grace and Mercy that Jesus offered . Elijah will come at the start of the Tribulation . In fact you might be able to specifically identify when the Great Tribulation starts by the two witnesses showing up in Jerusalem .
I stated that Enoch would be the other witness using my worldly logic that Enoch and Elijah are the only people who have not died according to the bible . And the bible always notes important figures deaths . Moses is dead . As for Elijah he was carried up with his body alive because the people hunted for it for 3 days not understanding what had happened .A chariot of fire and horses of fire . The whirlwind was not described as on fire . Elisha recognized it as the chariot of Israel .



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Joecroft

I was following your discussion with 3NL1GHT3N3D1, which seemed to reach a slight impasse, by your last reply above.

I’m real curious here; and I’ve never heard of this theology before. May I enquire, as to what scriptures support such a view, that Elijah will be one of the 2 witnesses, mentioned in Revelations, and do you know who the other witness will be?

I have to say at this stage, I find it hard to believe that one man or prophet, would be singled out, to live on, unlike the ALL the other prophets. There may however, be a case for John the Apostle to have lived on, based on John 21:22, but even that is little bit sketchy, on it’s own.

- JC


Well we know that there will be two witnesses...and we know that the beast will kill them. We also know that it is appointed unto man to die once. In light of those key points, we can narrow the search down and then from there on it's really just speculation. I don't have any answers....it's just my best guess.

A2D



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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Reincarnation is real.

There is a reason why people forget and thus dont remember.

This is why allah of the islamic scriptures called humans beings Al-insaan. (those who forget).

This paradigm we are under know we forget, so take advantage of us.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

So where has Elijah been all this time? Is he still hanging out in that whirlwind somewhere or do you believe he was he taken up to heaven?


I don't know where Elijah has been all this time....but we see that they actually searched for him...and also we know that no man has ascended to heaven except Christ....This leads me to believe that he was taken "somewhere" whether it be multidimensional paradise or whatever...we can only speculate...but no, I don't believe that Elijah was taken to heaven or is still in the whirlwind...Again, no answers here....This is all purely my opinion based on what I've read and understood throughout the scriptures.....

A2D



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:09 PM
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May i add, people keep characteristics, traits, body marks( birthmarks, scars) from one life to another to help remember and recognize who they are.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by LevelEleven
May i add, people keep characteristics, traits, body marks( birthmarks, scars) from one life to another to help remember and recognize who they are.


Have you ever had a past life experience?

How did you come to it?



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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Everybody has had past life experiences, though most don't realize it and even those who do can't remember the details of past lives. I can barely remember anything from my childhood, only very small bits and pieces, so why would it be any different for a previous life?

The small details aren't needed, but life lessons such as fire burns and heights are dangerous are needed. Instincts are past life lessons "leaking" into this life in my opinion.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 11:31 PM
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Darn, you answered my next question already.


I don't see how it's feasible to think a guy has been alive for close to 3,000 years only to come back for a short time and die. That's not a very logical conclusion in my opinion and requires a huge leap in logic.


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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Darn, you answered my next question already.


I don't see how it's feasible to think a guy has been alive for close to 3,000 years only to come back for a short time and die. That's not a very logical conclusion in my opinion and requires a huge leap in logic.


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You're right, it absolutely is. However, there are a significant handful of biblical passages that require huge leaps in logic....and I'm okay with that....

A2D



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
 


Everybody has had past life experiences, though most don't realize it and even those who do can't remember the details of past lives. I can barely remember anything from my childhood, only very small bits and pieces, so why would it be any different for a previous life?

The small details aren't needed, but life lessons such as fire burns and heights are dangerous are needed. Instincts are past life lessons "leaking" into this life in my opinion.


Have you ever had a past life experience?

How did you come to it?

What you are talking about can be explained if you read Freud's literature or even Jung's. You are claiming you can't remember all of your childhood, how do you know you didn't burn yourself in a time prior to your memory establishing itself?


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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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It seems like to me that "Satan" is the one who would encourage such leaps in logic to justify such illogical concepts. That's a pretty good way to deceive people don't you think? To make them believe the unbelievable?



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