How are adults talked into believing in fantasy creatures, miracles and magic?

How are adults talked into believing in fantasy creatures, miracles and magic?

Please ignore that I do not believe in any invisible entity. I would like this thread to be about you.
I also have rejected the notion of anything being able to breach the limits of nature and physics.
No miracles allowed in my theology.

www.youtube.com...

If you do not follow your religion because of culture and tradition, when did you begin to be a believer?

Can you describe how you were made to believe in fantasy or imaginary creatures?

Were you an adult at that time or a child?

If a child, could this real phenomena be what caused you to believe?

academia.edu...

Regards
DL

I think it's called the bible.

reply to post by Greatest I am


Your tone suggests you are being condescending towards those who believe in something beyond themselves or intelligent design.

Despite the evidence to the contrary I will assume you aren't a troll for sake of argument.

ETA

I believe in God, though I am not certain what form IT takes. I do not prescribe to any particular religion as they are all unlikely to be the one true way to spiritual enlightenment (logically speaking). I believe in God because of my own observations and experiences. I also believe in alien life. I think for me the truth of these things comes from mathematics. It is a statistical improbability that we humans on this one planet are the only life in the universe. It would be arrogant to assume otherwise.

Also, I have evolved along my own spiritual journey over the course of my lifetime. The intricate nature of the universe and the amazing use of mathematics in all thing suggests to me that there is a logical prime mover or God behind the design of the universe. As far as my own personal experiences they are mine and I do not wish to speak of them, however, I will say this...that when you experience something you will know the truth.

Hope you actually want responses and I am not just feeding the troll.

reply to post by Metallicus


so. How did you come to believe in trolls?

reply to post by Greatest I am

How are adults talked into believing in fantasy creatures, miracles and magic?

It begins when we are very young.

For reference, see Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, Disney Land, Church, and primary school curriculum. I would throw in TV too, but the list is long enough already.

Edit to add: By the time people become "adults" they have been primed to believe what they are told by all the indoctrination they received in youth through these various "Institutions".

So its easy to just believe and go along with the flow. Who wants to stand out anyway? You will be scorned.

See for yourself

Not everyone who takes a contrary position on a subject that has a very fervent following is a troll. I swear it seems like that term along with "agenda" gets so overused and used at the drop of a hat that its nauseating. Calling someone a troll doesn't automatically negate their statement or argument so why bother? If someone jumps to use the term "troll" I think it shows there lack of experience on boards.

reply to post by damwel


When someone includes a title with the term "fantasy creatures" he is starting out in a confrontational manner and is already ridiculing those that would believe in something other than he (the OP) believes. If he had wanted honest discussion he would have said why do you believe in God, Aliens or whatever it is for an honest discourse. I am sure you already knew this, but I will play your game.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
How are adults talked into believing in fantasy creatures, miracles and magic?

Please ignore that I do not believe in any invisible entity. I would like this thread to be about you.
I also have rejected the notion of anything being able to breach the limits of nature and physics.
No miracles allowed in my theology.

www.youtube.com...

If you do not follow your religion because of culture and tradition, when did you begin to be a believer?

Can you describe how you were made to believe in fantasy or imaginary creatures?

Were you an adult at that time or a child?

If a child, could this real phenomena be what caused you to believe?

academia.edu...

Regards
DL

I never believed in anything spiritual until I got proof of it and am still under the assumption that humans have no clue "what is" including myself. I get more confused the further down the rabbit hole I walk but I feel no real fear. I am past all fear after a amagydala fear overload.

From my own experiance synchronicity is a part of human experiance but people are to unaware to understand it. Chakras or something similar is in my experiance real and when I love things I receive love back from something more. If that is a higher self/ a blessed ONE of something else makes little difference.

The real problem with my experiance is that it makes me want to go to a place I cannot go yet where things seem to be very different than being a human here on earth.

I like higher ideals and would follow any god/awareness that are doing the right thing for all souls. Any awareness that are higher then me and do not act the right way will have a big problem with me since I hate bullies. There must be balance even for what humans call gods.

I do not even think humans have any excuse for going against symbiosis and doing ego parasitic behaviour. But awarenesses that are on a higher level have even less of an excuse.

reply to post by Greatest I am


It's not about belief.

It's about suspension of disbelief.

Stories are tools that human beings use to get work done. As a tool, narratives are more important than the much lauded thumb.

The thumb is likely an accessory for holding a stylus and then executing the product of the stylus and the mind.

reply to post by Greatest I am


We are all encouraged at some point in our childhood to imagine. As our brains develop, we all begin asking simple questions that often are difficult to prove or explain. Children come up with all sorts of answers, very creative and imaginative, and pose their understandings first by testing acceptance of their theories. Adults do not do this, rather they search for truths or facts to relay information. When adults explore their imaginations, it is referred to as fantasy and too much fantasizing is considered taboo and disruptive to adulthood. The Bible tells us there comes a time to stop acting and thinking as children, to grow up. Children, for the most part, are encouraged to IMAGINE, because it aids adults in communicating with adolescents. When adults struggle to convey an idea or explanation, we often grasp for analogies or even ask the child to think of it another way, or subtly make a bridge of understanding to answer the query. This opens the child's mind to averting considered elusive truths with other more convoluted, complex explanations, otherwise known as forced misinterpretations for convenience, better known as a form of lying. And when children grow old enough and aware enough to point out the flaws in adult explanations, adults cover their a$$es with more unsubstantiated truths. Take the Santa explanation: He is real and has magic powers. Kid decides he is not real. Some adults, not all, tell the child they are right, but his spirit is real. Kid cannot disprove that, so it becomes fact. So, I say these beliefs you talk of come to live not by proof exactly, but by children not being able to disprove them. Most manipulative. Some beliefs are allowed to exist past adolescence, some not. Again, most manipulative. Adults also get satisfaction out of lying to children and watching them blindly and whole heartedly believe them. Ohhh, that is so cute. So not only is the child disillusioned, they are mocked by their naivety. But children are not inherently naive, we make them that way for amusement and self gratification. We desperately try to reinforce that we know more than children, but I am not so sure. What we know more of and about is only our explanation of what we observe. They see things differently, more simply, more purely, yet we teach them to avoid their own perceptions and believe our lies on the basis that they long for our attention and praise, nurturing and playfulness, security and comfort. Not all adults do this all the time, but all adults do it some of the time, because they are scared of children perceiving they do not know answers to good questions, sometimes basic observations. Adults encourage a child's imagination because it allow them to deceive children, although the adult's intention is not always to harm, it does. Gosh...then at an adult's determined point in time the child must grow up and abandon thinking and explaining with their imagination. Why? Because God said so? Seriously? Imagination and fantasy are one in the same, and are not problematic. When adults use the gift of imagination or fantasy against another adult or child is where it all goes to hell. We need more dreamers, imaginative thinkers, and we should encourage imagination to broaden and seek truth, not use it to deceive, create fear, and misinform.

Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by Metallicus

 

so. How did you come to believe in trolls?

fervent evangelists of trolling ?

Those adults never grew up and lack critical thinking skills.

The same type of people that will laugh at the idea of Zeus being real but have no problem believing in Jesus or Allah.

reply to post by WaterBottle


They just think their go d is immune from getting categorized in the "mythology section". Im sure in about 200-300 yrs, it would most likely happen. I hope its earlier than that.

Adapt or get erased.

Most comics, of any period - golden age, silver age whatever - make more sense than any religious texts I've read from any of the world's more popular religions.

They certainly make much more sense than those who are so-called experts in the field of their theologies when attempting to explain and rationalize the inconsistencies away.

Originally posted by Metallicus
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...... I think for me the truth of these things comes from mathematics. It is a statistical improbability that we humans on this one planet are the only life in the universe. It would be arrogant to assume otherwise.

Also, I have evolved along my own spiritual journey over the course of my lifetime. The intricate nature of the universe and the amazing use of mathematics in all thing suggests to me that there is a logical prime mover or God behind the design of the universe. As far as my own personal experiences they are mine and I do not wish to speak of them, however, I will say this...that when you experience something you will know the truth.

Hope you actually want responses and I am not just feeding the troll.

edit on 2013/6/27 by Metallicus because: ETA

you are much closer than you may realize....

Do these "vibrate" to you(no I'm not getting metaphysical/ new agey)

543
345
89
144
0.809,016,994,374,947
1480
2368

reply to post by Greatest I am


EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS EVEN YOU WILL DO THIS ONE DAY.

Originally posted by setibuddies
Most comics, of any period - golden age, silver age whatever - make more sense than any religious texts I've read from any of the world's more popular religions.

They certainly make much more sense than those who are so-called experts in the field of their theologies when attempting to explain and rationalize the inconsistencies away.

Please list some of these inconsistencies and maybe some of us will explain them to you. That is if there truly are inconsistencies and not just your imagination that there are some.

Originally posted by damwel
I think it's called the bible.

Grimm's Fairy Tales does not cause the same in adults that read those books yet they are in the same genre.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Metallicus
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

Your tone suggests you are being condescending towards those who believe in something beyond themselves or intelligent design.

Despite the evidence to the contrary I will assume you aren't a troll for sake of argument.

ETA

I believe in God, though I am not certain what form IT takes. I do not prescribe to any particular religion as they are all unlikely to be the one true way to spiritual enlightenment (logically speaking). I believe in God because of my own observations and experiences. I also believe in alien life. I think for me the truth of these things comes from mathematics. It is a statistical improbability that we humans on this one planet are the only life in the universe. It would be arrogant to assume otherwise.

Also, I have evolved along my own spiritual journey over the course of my lifetime. The intricate nature of the universe and the amazing use of mathematics in all thing suggests to me that there is a logical prime mover or God behind the design of the universe. As far as my own personal experiences they are mine and I do not wish to speak of them, however, I will say this...that when you experience something you will know the truth.

Hope you actually want responses and I am not just feeding the troll.

edit on 2013/6/27 by Metallicus because: ETA

"I do not wish to speak of them,"

I did but your restrictions make communication impossible.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

How are adults talked into believing in fantasy creatures, miracles and magic?

It begins when we are very young.

For reference, see Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, Disney Land, Church, and primary school curriculum. I would throw in TV too, but the list is long enough already.

Edit to add: By the time people become "adults" they have been primed to believe what they are told by all the indoctrination they received in youth through these various "Institutions".

So its easy to just believe and go along with the flow. Who wants to stand out anyway? You will be scorned.

See for yourself

edit on 27-6-2013 by intrptr because: additional...

Scorned. Perhaps.
But imagine how backward the world would be if all did as believers do and none told the Emperor that he did not have any clothes on.

Regards
DL