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a message from Heaven concerning the Supreme Court decision today....

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posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Our friend FlyersFan can't name the error in the full message because there isn't one. I keep asking, no reply.



I just pointed out the error in the message and you totally ignored it. Any fool could have come up with those words, the fact that they do not contradict that faith does not mean that the claimed source i.e. Jesus is genuine.

What it does mean however is that someone is committing the very serious sin of putting words in his mouth.


Put up Jesus' words, you are too chicken. Be brave.

Pray to your patron saint, he will send you an actual grace.

Saying "any tool" can can say this, no, anti-Catholics wouldn't defend the faith as you just admitted, it is the faith to be believed and neither would sodomites. God's grace is working in you already.

You won't reply to what Our Lord stated. The highest court in the land cannot make grave sin a law. Never in God's eyes. God will not tolerate this nation much longer as she goes further and further away from Him.

Judgment came to Sodom. If you could understand, judgment is really God's mercy.




posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by colbe


Put up Jesus' words, you are too chicken. Be brave.



Name calling will get you nowhere


Since you are enamoured with the words of false prophets, here is a little snippet from the same site, from fake Mary this time. Maybe you should listen to them.


Blessed Mother says: "Praise be to Jesus."

"Dear children, in humility treat everyone the same - pauper or rich man, those in important positions and those of little esteem. Jesus treated everyone with kindness and patience. He never gossiped or dwelt on the negative aspects of a soul. Rather, He reached out to everyone with the same degree of benevolence. When you discuss among yourselves others' faults, you only accomplish disunity. You encourage judging. You limit Jesus' work within you."



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe


Put up Jesus' words, you are too chicken. Be brave.



Name calling will get you nowhere


Since you are enamoured with the words of false prophets, here is a little snippet from the same site, from fake Mary this time. Maybe you should listen to them.


Blessed Mother says: "Praise be to Jesus."

"Dear children, in humility treat everyone the same - pauper or rich man, those in important positions and those of little esteem. Jesus treated everyone with kindness and patience. He never gossiped or dwelt on the negative aspects of a soul. Rather, He reached out to everyone with the same degree of benevolence. When you discuss among yourselves others' faults, you only accomplish disunity. You encourage judging. You limit Jesus' work within you."


Love the sinner, not the sin, right.

"Chicken" is name calling? I am called much worse in this thread. Why won't you put up Jesus exact words in the message? Cause they go against what you do. Ich, stop.

Our Lord is trying to reach you now but you tell Him no, denying it is He who said this to one of His messengers. You at least admitted Jesus' Church teaches sodomy is a grave sin.

You are Roman Catholic so come home. Pray, go to Confession Mark. Do this now before the Great Warning.


love,

colbe



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Love the sinner, not the sin, right.



And finally we agree on something.




Our Lord is trying to reach you now but you tell Him no, denying it is He who said this to one of His messengers. You at least admitted Jesus' Church teaches sodomy is a grave sin.



The church disagrees with you. They have said the messages are NOT of supernatural origin. The wording of Jesus' messages is not authentic. I've studied it greatly and I repeat again, the messages from heaven are never directly on political issues. Jesus never ever once spoke of homosexuality in his entire ministry here on earth. Why would he speak of it from heaven? God never ever spoke about homosexual activity in Sodom before he destroyed it. You fail to see the shortcomings of the quality of the message, instead you read the content, see that it does not contradict catholic teaching and simply assume that it MUST be Jesus talking.




You are Roman Catholic so come home. Pray, go to Confession Mark. Do this now before the Great Warning.

love,

colbe


I am home. You do not know my participation or lack of it in the church, you do not know the nature of my relationship with God, That is my own personal journey to travel and it is not up to you or anyone else to tell me how that voyage should go.



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Love the sinner, not the sin, right.



And finally we agree on something.




Our Lord is trying to reach you now but you tell Him no, denying it is He who said this to one of His messengers. You at least admitted Jesus' Church teaches sodomy is a grave sin.



The church disagrees with you. They have said the messages are NOT of supernatural origin. The wording of Jesus' messages is not authentic. I've studied it greatly and I repeat again, the messages from heaven are never directly on political issues. Jesus never ever once spoke of homosexuality in his entire ministry here on earth. Why would he speak of it from heaven? God never ever spoke about homosexual activity in Sodom before he destroyed it. You fail to see the shortcomings of the quality of the message, instead you read the content, see that it does not contradict catholic teaching and simply assume that it MUST be Jesus talking.

Mark, the Church disagrees with you. You reject the Church teaching concerning the sin of sodomy. And bishops are not the Pope, they have been wrong in the past. Divine Mercy revelation is a modern example. Peter states in the Gospel there are UNREPENTANT sodomites in hell. Jesus said, "those who hear you hear Me" to the Apostles. Peter was the first Pope, besides being leader of the 12. Peter as Pope cannot error on faith and morals, a divine charism.




You are Roman Catholic so come home. Pray, go to Confession Mark. Do this now before the Great Warning.

love,

colbe


I am home. You do not know my participation or lack of it in the church, you do not know the nature of my relationship with God, That is my own personal journey to travel and it is not up to you or anyone else to tell me how that voyage should go.


Mine was a spiritual suggestion to save your soul. If you commit sodomy and receive Our Lord in communion, this is another grave sin called sacrilege.




2 Peter 2:4-6
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: 5 And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. 6 And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly.


2 Peter 2:4-6: Peter also reveals that the Sodomites are suffering in hell for their sins by comparing the Sodomites’ punishment to the eternal punishment of the evil angels. Just as God did not spare the angels when they sinned but cast them into hell, so He did the same with the Sodomites when He “condemned them to extinction and made them an example to those who were to be ungodly.”



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Mine was a spiritual suggestion to save your soul. If you commit sodomy and receive Our Lord in communion, this is another grave sin called sacrilege.



Once again, you have misread, misquoted and misintrepreted what I have said I refer you again to the words of my last post;



I am home. You do not know my participation or lack of it in the church, you do not know the nature of my relationship with God, That is my own personal journey to travel and it is not up to you or anyone else to tell me how that voyage should go.


You can speak biblenese to me as much as you want, I know the bible too. I can come back with passages that contradict everything you tell me. I am not interested in starting a war however.

You did not respond to the point I made about Jesus never talking about homosexuality while here on earth ever it is not in the ten commandments either. The only passages on it are written by human authors, whom are not infallible.



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Mine was a spiritual suggestion to save your soul. If you commit sodomy and receive Our Lord in communion, this is another grave sin called sacrilege.



Once again, you have misread, misquoted and misintrepreted what I have said I refer you again to the words of my last post;



I am home. You do not know my participation or lack of it in the church, you do not know the nature of my relationship with God, That is my own personal journey to travel and it is not up to you or anyone else to tell me how that voyage should go.


You can speak biblenese to me as much as you want, I know the bible too. I can come back with passages that contradict everything you tell me. I am not interested in starting a war however.

You did not respond to the point I made about Jesus never talking about homosexuality while here on earth ever it is not in the ten commandments either. The only passages on it are written by human authors, whom are not infallible.


I do not care about your personal opinion, neither does God. You didn't post Our Lord's words from the message because they confirm what has been divinely revealed, Christians, Catholic and non-Catholic believe Sodomy is a grave mortal sin and should never ever be made a law of the land.

All the sexual sins come under the sixth Commandment, thou shalt not commit adultery.

I did too reply, Jesus speaking to the Apostles, "those who hear you, hear Me." Peter stated Christ's teaching, unrepentant sodomites are in Hell. I posted the Gospel verses.

You should know already as a Catholic, not everything Jesus said is found in the written Word. Besides, the Apostles HEARD everything from Our Lord. The Gospel didn't come along until the 4th century. Jesus is God, He didn't bring a new revelation on Sodomy. Sodomy is a grave mortal sin and must be confessed.before you die. In the New Covenant, you have the help of God's grace, His presence in you to help battle sin.


God bless you,



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

I do not care about your personal opinion, neither does God. You didn't post Our Lord's words from the message because they confirm what has been divinely revealed, Christians, Catholic and non-Catholic believe Sodomy is a grave mortal sin and should never ever be made a law of the land.



Because the words are NOT of supernatural origin I don't really care about your opinion either.



All the sexual sins come under the sixth Commandment, thou shalt not commit adultery.


Adultery is sex outside of the bounds of marriage is it not? How very convenient for all of you one eyed bigots then that you keep us from participating in it so you can play a sadistic game of double jeopardy with our minds. Sorry, seen through that lie. It's up me and God, nothing to do with you or your hateful ideas.


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posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

I do not care about your personal opinion, neither does God. You didn't post Our Lord's words from the message because they confirm what has been divinely revealed, Christians, Catholic and non-Catholic believe Sodomy is a grave mortal sin and should never ever be made a law of the land.



Because the words are NOT of supernatural origin I don't really care about your opinion either.

DENY PROPHECY ALL YOU WANT, TO YOUR LOSS. YOU IGNORE PETER'S INSTRUCTION FROM GOD AND NOW THE SAME TRUTH GIVEN PAUL . I'VE NEVER HEARD OF OR READ OF A REVELATION FROM GOD WHERE HE APPROVES OF THE ACT OF SODOMY.

THE GOSPEL IS A SUPERNATURAL REVELATION. IT IS INERRANT.

ROMANS 1:25-27 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. [26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.



All the sexual sins come under the sixth Commandment, thou shalt not commit adultery.


Adultery is sex outside of the bounds of marriage is it not? How very convenient for all of you one eyed bigots then that you keep us from participating in it so you can play a sadistic game of double jeopardy with our minds. Sorry, seen through that lie. It's up me and God, nothing to do with you or your hateful ideas.


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Christians aren't stopping you, God is, He is the boss Mark. Marriage is a vow, a holy Sacrament between a man and a woman not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. I think in Ellen's mind by looking at her apparel, she is the guy in her supposed marriage. How insane.

There is no such thing as homosexual marriage.



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
You turned on the messages for personal reasons nothing to do with Canon Law. How come a believer once and now so terribly against the yet to be approved? Angry at God?

Knock it off. I already stated EXACTLY why I went from being a mindless apparition hopper in the 1980s and 1990s to actually listening to the experts .. the CHURCH ... in this matter. Don't deflect from the FACT that you are breaking Canon Law. I turned against fake messages because ... (*drum roll) THEY ARE FAKE. Duh!

Catholics are not suppose to share condemned by the Church private revelation. If Holy Love messages fall under this, I fell down. I'll post the OP message again, share with everyone, where is the error in that message?

Wait a minute .. you admit that you are not supposed to share fake messages from condemned visionaries ... but then you go and say you'll post it again anyways? WTH are you doing?

You keep adding to your stories, knowing even more visionaries and now your former position on EWTN. If true doesn't make you an expert. EWTN since Mother Angelica is very anti-private revelation.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. and Wrong. I have told you time and time again that I volunteered at EWTN for 10 years and I've told you exactly where I"ve been when I used to apparition hop. Oh ..and you have not got a clue about Mother Angelica. I personally knew and worked with her for 10 years all through the 1990s. You did not.

Mother Angelica believes/believed in Garabandal. She had Joey Lamangino on her program.

So what? She got it wrong. She's human. She said to me once ... 'Follow God, don't follow me, I'm human and can still fall'. She said that to me in St. Michaels Hall. She was standing just a few feet from me when she said it. You should take her advice. Don't follow these fake seers but instead listen to the church you supposedly belong to.

Your attack on yet to be approved private revelation, ...

THERE IS NO SUCH THING as 'yet to be approved private revelation'.
You called Maria Divine Mercy 'yet to be approved'. How'd that work out for you? :shk:

I think you were the self proclaimed expert on the faith and prophecy at ATS and didn't like me coming along to say the messages from Heaven are beautiful, they help people have hope and strengthen a person's faith.

Wrong and wrong again.
- All this bunk you keep posting is NOT from heaven.
- LIes are not 'beautiful', they are just lies.
- Trying to build a persons faith based on lies is ignorant and condemned to fail.
- Nothing you have posted is strengthening anyone or anything except perhaps your own standing as a person fighting against the Catholic faith that you claim to belong to.

FlyersFann, you a pilgrim of Medjugorje which is "condemned" by the bishops there should do as you tell others to do.

I went to Medjugorje in 1991. The decision for authenticity has been taken away from the local bishops due to their political activities and the VATICAN has the decision over it. The Vatican has not condemned Medjugorje nor has it issued any restrictions against it.
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posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 05:51 AM
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CONDEMNED


Canon Law and the Obligation of Obedience by the Faithful

As the bishops are entrusted with the responsibilities of discerning and ruling on apparitions as stemming from the nature of their office, so there are fundamental responsibilities on the part of the members of the diocese. First, they are to obey their bishops when the latter act as Christ's representatives (canon 212), that is, when they teach formally or establish binding discipline as pastors of a particular church. This obedience owed to the bishops in their capacity as leaders of particular churches is intended to promote the common good. Canon 753 also speaks of the "religious assent" owed to the bishops' teaching authority, which means a special quality of respect and gratitude, along with critical awareness and good will. Hence, there should be intelligent obedience to ecclesiastical authority in the matter of alleged apparitions.


Canon 753 ... you MUST obey what the Bishops say in these matters. Otherwise, you are breaking Canon law. The bishops say that these 'visionaries' that you are pushing are fake and that NONE of the messages are to be pushed.



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
The bishops are not infallible and in the the present day messages, Heaven speaks of some bishops, especially American bishops who are not preaching the faith.

According to YOUR CHURCH the bishops are indeed infallible when they make decisions about apparitions.

So the fake apparitions go around telling Catholics not to listen to the bishops nor to obey the church. Sounds downright DEMONIC.

2 Corinthians 11:14 -
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Galatians 1:8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
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posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 05:57 AM
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And as per usual you are ignoring my pertinent questions in order to push your false agenda. You did not respond to this question




Here is a moral dilemma question for you;

Just for one moment I ask you to entertain the belief that we really are 'stuck' this way and cannot change. What is your honest opinion;

Do we be honest, truthful and open and exist as our gay selves in spite of the well publicised Christian consequences for doing so?

Or

Do we live a lie and have fake marriages and sleep around behind our wive's backs just to keep the Christian community happy in spite of the untold problems this would cause?



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by colbe
The bishops are not infallible and in the the present day messages, Heaven speaks of some bishops, especially American bishops who are not preaching the faith.

According to YOUR CHURCH the bishops are indeed infallible when they make decisions about apparitions.

So the fake apparitions go around telling Catholics not to listen to the bishops nor to obey the church. Sounds downright DEMONIC.

2 Corinthians 11:14 -
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Galatians 1:8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
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FlyersFan, helping the sodomites to reject the teachings of Christ? You're their gal.

You accept Medjugorje but it is not approved. Why are you ignoring the bishop's decision for thirty years? Do as I say not as I do. And what of, you keep mentioning new ones, you know most all the visionaries! You should be drawn to their messages instead of calling them false prophets.

Storytellers keep adding to their story. People can recognize an habitual storyteller.



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

FlyersFan, helping the sodomites to reject the teachings of Christ? You're their gal.


Its funny how a person's true nature is revealed under pressure. Resorting to name calling only means that you have run out of quality arguments. We already know this.



You accept Medjugorje but it is not approved. Why are you ignoring the bishop's decision for thirty years? Do as I say not as I do.


It is not condemned either. I am sure that FF like myself would denounce our belief in Medjugorje if the church does condemn it. But it has not. Yet AGAIN you have ignored important information I have posted. I put up the Medjugorje aoplogia link that has all the up to date information from the church on it INCLUDING the reversal of the Bishop of Sarajevo's declaration that it is false.



Storytellers keep adding to their story. People can recognize an habitual storyteller.


We sure can Colbe, we sure can..................



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973
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Text in order to push your false agenda. You did not respond to this question




Here is a moral dilemma question for you;

Just for one moment I ask you to entertain the belief that we really are 'stuck' this way and cannot change. What is your honest opinion;

Do we be honest, truthful and open and exist as our gay selves in spite of the well publicised Christian consequences for doing so?

Or

Do we live a lie and have fake marriages and sleep around behind our wive's backs just to keep the Christian community happy in spite of the untold problems this would cause?


You lie, I answered your questions. And I gave you the teachings of Christ and His explaining again on the day of the Supreme Court decision. Sex is for marriage (between a man and woman) and children, both.

Sodomites cannot procreate.

"Our wives", so you are married to a woman. You are a troublemaker, why do you bother?



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
FlyersFan, helping the sodomites to reject the teachings of Christ? You're their gal.

It is NOT helping ANYONE to spread false messages that are condemned by the Catholic church. No one can build a faith on lies. You are attempting to build a house on sand which will be washed away at the first rain storm.

You accept Medjugorje but it is not approved.

WRONG. I have NEVER said that Medjugorje was approved.
It's status is 'under investigation by the Vatican'

Why are you ignoring the bishop's decision for thirty years?

I already told you, the local Bishops are not allowed to make the decision because they got caught playing politics. ROME took away their authority to make the decision. ROME cancelled their decision. ROME makes the final decision on Medjugorje. It's a special case.

Storytellers keep adding to their story. People can recognize an habitual storyteller.

Again.... knock it off. Everything I said is true. You are obviously just JEALOUS that I have been to a bunch of places you haven't been. Deal with it.

DEFLECTION ATTEMPT = EPIC FAILURE.

Admit that you are posting messages from a fake apparition that has been condemned by your church.
Admit that you are breaking Canon Law in doing so.
Admit that you are jealous. And then go to confession over the damage you have done.


Originally posted by colbe
You lie, I answered your questions.

Your favorite thing to say .... 'you don't answer my question' ... and yet they have been answered over and over again. So I guess that makes YOU a liar, doesn't it? Best be careful about throwing stones, Colbe. People in glass houses .... and all that.
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posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by colbe


You lie, I answered your questions. And I gave you the teachings of Christ and His explaining again on the day of the Supreme Court decision. Sex is for marriage (between a man and woman) and children, both.

Sodomites cannot procreate.

"Our wives", so you are married to a woman. You are a troublemaker, why do you bother?


So I lie and I am married to a woman now am I. I am begnning to worry about your literacy. My question was hypothetical for your benefit. I can assure you that my partner is male.

I've been with him for 7 1/2 years now and we love each other very much. Without him I would have probably just drifted in life unhappy and alone, like I was when I actually believed the baloney you spout and claim to be the truth.

Oh and btw, one of my brothers married a woman whom has had a hysterectomy. They have had it reversed but they still can't have children. It's not just the gay who can't procreate.



posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by colbe
FlyersFan, helping the sodomites to reject the teachings of Christ? You're their gal.

It is NOT helping ANYONE to spread false messages that are condemned by the Catholic church. No one can build a faith on lies. You are attempting to build a house on sand which will be washed away at the first rain storm.

You accept Medjugorje but it is not approved.

WRONG. I have NEVER said that Medjugorje was approved.
It's status is 'under investigation by the Vatican'

Why are you ignoring the bishop's decision for thirty years?

I already told you, the local Bishops are not allowed to make the decision because they got caught playing politics. ROME took away their authority to make the decision. ROME cancelled their decision. ROME makes the final decision on Medjugorje. It's a special case.

Storytellers keep adding to their story. People can recognize an habitual storyteller.

Again.... knock it off. Everything I said is true. You are obviously just JEALOUS that I have been to a bunch of places you haven't been. Deal with it.

DEFLECTION ATTEMPT = EPIC FAILURE.

Admit that you are posting messages from a fake apparition that has been condemned by your church.
Admit that you are breaking Canon Law in doing so.
Admit that you are jealous. And then go to confession over the damage you have done.


Originally posted by colbe
You lie, I answered your questions.

Your favorite thing to say .... 'you don't answer my question' ... and yet they have been answered over and over again. So I guess that makes YOU a liar, doesn't it? Best be careful about throwing stones, Colbe. People in glass houses .... and all that.
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WOW!

How does it feel Colbe, to be on the receiving end of Catholic condemnation? Colbe, if your conviction is such that these people, who the Catholic Church have condemned like the heretics of old, if their messages speak to and inspire you to be better and more a holistic person, then I say screw the Catholic Church and their mind control games!

Believe what resonates with you soul and your heart, Colbe. The Catholic church is fracturing right now. Some want it to embrace gay marriage and contraception! Blasphemy! God hates those things, and your heart tells you so!

Run Colbe, Run like the wind!



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posted on Jul, 7 2013 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by windword
if your conviction is such that these people, who the Catholic Church have condemned like the heretics of old, if their messages speak to and inspire you to be better and more a holistic person, then I say screw the Catholic Church and their mind control games!

And that gets right to the heart of it.
A person can't be a 'good Catholic' and still push these fake apparitions.
If a person wants to push them, then they need to admit that they aren't Catholic.
They need to admit that they are working against the Catholic Church when they do so.

I've posted all the official Catholic information regarding these things.
Now he has to choose ..... will he choose the Catholic faith or these fake apparitions.
He can't have both. It's got to be one or the other.



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