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posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha
The bible states that - for a man - to lie -with a man- as he would a woman is an abominable sin...gotcha.

Assuming you believe there is a God and that the bible is THE highest word of God, it still mentions nothing about women laying together.

So if the claim of biblical sin that is being used to justify this protest and continued bigotry by uneducated people calling themselves Christians is based solely and only on the bible and the words " a man laying with a man" - then why all the discrimination and hatred towards lesbians?

There is not a single line in the bible that says women aren't allowed to lay with women...so..what gives?

Why suddenly so inclusive?

What bible verse or scriptural basis are you using to justify that abuse of peoples human rights?

If you don't have biblical justification for your vitriol then just how do you justify what you are doing in denying human rights to a large section of the world community?

If you don't have a justification other than personal dislike or hatred..then what does that say about you and what and who you really are?


Ro.
edit on 30-6-2013 by Rosha because: the lesbians are comming! the lesbians are comming!


Paul says it in the verse before...

Romans 1:26
For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature

A woman in love with another woman is not of God. And their "act" either. The Supreme Court can rule homosexual marriage is law but it will NEVER be so in God's eyes. Marriage is for a man and a woman. Both genders, sodomy is totally against the natural law, anyone can see, it doesn't even require faith.

There is a footnote for verse 26 in the Douay-Rheims Bible which is a word for word English translation of the first Bible, St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate. www.drbo.org...

God respects free will, so do not choose it, choose God instead and pray, pray, pray for conversions. God's grace can work to change hearts.

[26] God delivered them up: Not by being author of their sins, but by withdrawing his grace, and so permitting them, in punishment of their pride, to fall into those shameful sins.


God bless you Rosha,




posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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Colbe, put your bible down just for one moment.

Have you considered that you are labelling human beings here? Telling a person that they are a mistake, condemned by God or that their life is wrong is not going to win hearts or minds over to your way of thinking.

Besides, there are many contradictory things to be found in the bible. The love story of David and Jonathon is just one such contradiction.


Summary:

The Bible describes three emotionally close relationships between two people of the same gender. They appear to have progressed well beyond a casual friendship. There is, however, no unmistakable evidence that they were sexually active relationships. The individuals are:
Ruth and Naomi

David and Jonathan

Daniel and Ashpenaz


religious tolerance
edit on 30-6-2013 by markosity1973 because: spelling



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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Haha judging by this thread....

Yeah we ain't ready for alien disclosure yet.....as if them aliens would allow it anyways.

Keep bickering about the most irrelevant topics to man and prop them up as if the were the most.



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by colbe

Paul says it in the verse before...
Romans 1:26
For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature



Bull.
Please read the proceeding verse to this one you have here and see how and where your own interpretations twist things to suit your homophobic view!

Romans 1:25 : ***Those who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator...."**

The 'creature' being named here is the LIE that people construct to suit themselves!

That lie could just as likely be the CREATION of a concept of God - an image - a creature of force and hatred that people have made in their own minds and worship that image instead of God, doing so in order to justify violence against others.. and it still says NOTHING about two women laying together as lesbians.

You do not know what YOU do not know...and seem to know very little about what you claim to understand.

That verse you dropped in without context refers specifically to "those who CHANGE THE TRUTH" and to " those who worship" that created lie..instead of God...they get the afflictions...the ones who worship the creature they have concocted instead of the Creator. How is it you suddenly know the hearts and minds of millions well enough to know who is worshiping what? Esp much?

Even if you go back one verse more for the full context - to include Romans 24, "those who dishonor their bodies" - you'd STILL be assuming that refers to sex and that all people who d not have hetero missionary sex or who are gay or are lesbian do dishonor their bodies by simply having sex - which is an assumption you are making - it is not the truth and again, is evidence only your personal speculation on Gods or the authors intentions in writing what they did. Your personal interpretation. Not fact for all.

Sex, being a natural part of the human experience - is not dishonoring to the body! How you view "dishonoring the body" may be entirely different to Gods view or any other persons...and what YOU think..aint necessarily so for ALL.

Please STOP using bible passages you don't seem to comprehend to condemn people. Please stop imposing a Christian form of sharia law onto people. You only condemn yourself when you do this and THAT is written in there too, that and exactly what happens to people who twist scripture to suit their own agendas!

JESUS said : Love one another. Period. Denying a human being their social and human rights..is not an act of love. It is an act of oppression and abuse. Abusing people using Gods name is a slippery slope of self deception and doing it based on the flimsy self interpreted justifications you found in a book, is a specious lie.
The reality is God is not a moral ideology, God is God and you have NO justification for imposing your fear filled abusive self derived morality on onto others.

Truth speaks for itself and God doesn't abuse people - so why are you?


Rosha.
edit on 30-6-2013 by Rosha because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by markosity1973
reply to post by colbe
 

Colbe, put your bible down just for one moment.

Have you considered that you are labelling human beings here? Telling a person that they are a mistake, condemned by God or that their life is wrong is not going to win hearts or minds over to your way of thinking.

Besides, there are many contradictory things to be found in the bible. The love story of David and Jonathon is just one such contradiction.


Summary:

The Bible describes three emotionally close relationships between two people of the same gender. They appear to have progressed well beyond a casual friendship. There is, however, no unmistakable evidence that they were sexually active relationships. The individuals are:
Ruth and Naomi

David and Jonathan

Daniel and Ashpenaz


religious tolerance
edit on 30-6-2013 by markosity1973 because: spelling


Hi Mark,

The thread subject is not about me or my opinion, I shared a prophecy from Heaven. Go read the OP. God has never approved of sex between a man and a man, sex between a woman and a woman. These are the end times. Grave mortal sin is seen as no sin at all.

Sex is for marriage (it is a Sacrament) and procreation, both. There is no such thing as homosexual marriage.


I like your name, you can pray to your patron saint, St. Mark, the Apostle!



colbe



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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Still waiting on a reply at your convenience, Colbe.
How can the Bible be legitimate if it is in stark contrast to the Honest Book of Truths?




What you say is impossible, Colbe. The word of our goddess Eris was recorded in the Honest Book of Truths. If you deny that it is true, you deny the veracity of The Book of Explanations, which we know is the TRUTH of Eris our goddess because Eris herself wrote it in the Honest Book of Truths, which unfortunately is now lost to us.

You can accept the goddess into your life by listening to her through your pineal gland. She says different things to each listener, and though they conflict, they are all HER word. I fear that for now you are hopelessly enslaved by the Aneristic Illusion. However our Goddess Eris teaches us that this is no big deal.

The Goddess prevails.

edit on 1-7-2013 by Samtzurr because: Quoted original post

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posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Hi Mark,

The thread subject is not about me or my opinion, I shared a prophecy from Heaven. Go read the OP. God has never approved of sex between a man and a man, sex between a woman and a woman. These are the end times. Grave mortal sin is seen as no sin at all.


colbe


Your OP is from a prophet not authorised by the church, the words are standard Christian rhetoric and nothing new. You have put forward the Christian view of marriage, which is accepted by Christians.There are however, Atheists, other religions and of course the gay community itself whom all have differing opinions and beliefs on the matter.

Gay marriage is not about the church, nor is it about God, hence why there will be no catholic sacrament for them or ceremonies held in many, if any at all churches. The right for the church to refuse to hold ceremonies on the basis of belief is in the constitution anyway. This is a secular thing that is about the state only.

You refer to gay marriage as 'grave mortal sin' and yet God is the one who allows gay people to be on this earth. Are you saying that he is allowing them to exist as some kind of sick joke and then torturing them further by saying that he will not allow them to live a life that feels natural to them? Is God not supposed to be the creator and the one who made us all ? Yet somehow gay people slipped through the cracks of his 'perfect' design.

Gayness is not a disease, there is no cure and if God is that sick and twisted, well it's little wonder people are abandoning the church in their droves.

Sorry Colbe, not buying into it.........
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posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Hi Mark,

The thread subject is not about me or my opinion, I shared a prophecy from Heaven. Go read the OP. God has never approved of sex between a man and a man, sex between a woman and a woman. These are the end times. Grave mortal sin is seen as no sin at all.


colbe


Your OP is from a prophet not authorised by the church, the words are standard Christian rhetoric and nothing new. You have put forward the Christian view of marriage, which is accepted by Christians.There are however, Atheists, other religions and of course the gay community itself whom all have differing opinions and beliefs on the matter.


Don't you reject the faith, why are you pointing out her rules? It is not rule in fact, you are allowed to believe or disbelieve private revelation. Roman Catholicism is the faith, the Church Jesus established. If you mean by the term "standard Christian rhetoric" that sodomy is an abomination to God and always has been, this is true. God loves everyone, but never sin. Scripture states nothing unholy enters Heaven.

Daily prayer and regular Confession of our mortal sins to God for the life of the soul especially now, in these dark times. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession.


Gay marriage is not about the church, nor is it about God, hence why there will be no catholic sacrament for them or ceremonies held in many, if any at all churches. The right for the church to refuse to hold ceremonies on the basis of belief is in the constitution anyway. This is a secular thing that is about the state only.

There is no such thing "Gay marriage", the term is an oxymoron. More important than state's authority is God's authority. Read the couple of messages. The highest authority of the state cannot make an "act" God calls gravely sinful, mortal to the soul, a right, a good.

You refer to gay marriage as 'grave mortal sin' and yet God is the one who allows gay people to be on this earth. Are you saying that he is allowing them to exist as some kind of sick joke and then torturing them further by saying that he will not allow them to live a life that feels natural to them? Is God not supposed to be the creator and the one who made us all ? Yet somehow gay people slipped through the cracks of his 'perfect' design.

Again, to believe you are homosexual is a disorder, a lack of bonding with one's father studies have shown. Recall the destruction of the family in the last 50 plus years. In our time, most all are aware of God's teaching on the homosexual act. You can believe you are gay but you cannot act on it. There are higher and greater things than sex. Confess the sin of sodomy to God and remain celibate. The gift of free will, God allows you to choose His ways or not. Pray for conversions, with the help of God's grace.

Gayness is not a disease, there is no cure and if God is that sick and twisted, well it's little wonder people are abandoning the church in their droves.

There is a cure, as I said the teaching of the faith, homosexuality is a disorder. There is a Catholic Apostolate called "Courage" to help those who believe they are homosexual. couragerc.net... .


Sorry Colbe, not buying into it.........
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Mark, read the messages from Heaven, believe what they say.

www.catholicbinder.com... Protestant daily messages: ft111.com...


God bless you,



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by Samtzurr
reply to post by colbe
 


Still waiting on a reply at your convenience, Colbe.
How can the Bible be legitimate if it is in stark contrast to the Honest Book of Truths?




What you say is impossible, Colbe. The word of our goddess Eris was recorded in the Honest Book of Truths. If you deny that it is true, you deny the veracity of The Book of Explanations, which we know is the TRUTH of Eris our goddess because Eris herself wrote it in the Honest Book of Truths, which unfortunately is now lost to us.

You can accept the goddess into your life by listening to her through your pineal gland. She says different things to each listener, and though they conflict, they are all HER word. I fear that for now you are hopelessly enslaved by the Aneristic Illusion. However our Goddess Eris teaches us that this is no big deal.

The Goddess prevails.

edit on 1-7-2013 by Samtzurr because: Quoted original post

edit on 1-7-2013 by Samtzurr because: (no reason given)


Sam,

Sorry, there are a lot of replies, I missed it. I can't reply to all the posts. Reading the same old objections and my same old right back but my same old is sharing the Truth of God. We can know, the simple message in the OP sounds like Christ as Christians have heard Him speak in the last 2000 years.

The Pagan nonsense has nothing to do with your, my eternal life. Are you mocking, "pineal gland?" That has nothing to do with anything related to the faith?

God bless you,

cobe



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by colbe

Paul says it in the verse before...
Romans 1:26
For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature



Bull.
Please read the proceeding verse to this one you have here and see how and where your own interpretations twist things to suit your homophobic view!

Romans 1:25 : ***Those who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator...."**

The 'creature' being named here is the LIE that people construct to suit themselves!

That lie could just as likely be the CREATION of a concept of God - an image - a creature of force and hatred that people have made in their own minds and worship that image instead of God, doing so in order to justify violence against others.. and it still says NOTHING about two women laying together as lesbians.

You do not know what YOU do not know...and seem to know very little about what you claim to understand.

That verse you dropped in without context refers specifically to "those who CHANGE THE TRUTH" and to " those who worship" that created lie..instead of God...they get the afflictions...the ones who worship the creature they have concocted instead of the Creator. How is it you suddenly know the hearts and minds of millions well enough to know who is worshiping what? Esp much?

Even if you go back one verse more for the full context - to include Romans 24, "those who dishonor their bodies" - you'd STILL be assuming that refers to sex and that all people who d not have hetero missionary sex or who are gay or are lesbian do dishonor their bodies by simply having sex - which is an assumption you are making - it is not the truth and again, is evidence only your personal speculation on Gods or the authors intentions in writing what they did. Your personal interpretation. Not fact for all.

Sex, being a natural part of the human experience - is not dishonoring to the body! How you view "dishonoring the body" may be entirely different to Gods view or any other persons...and what YOU think..aint necessarily so for ALL.

Please STOP using bible passages you don't seem to comprehend to condemn people. Please stop imposing a Christian form of sharia law onto people. You only condemn yourself when you do this and THAT is written in there too, that and exactly what happens to people who twist scripture to suit their own agendas!

JESUS said : Love one another. Period. Denying a human being their social and human rights..is not an act of love. It is an act of oppression and abuse. Abusing people using Gods name is a slippery slope of self deception and doing it based on the flimsy self interpreted justifications you found in a book, is a specious lie.
The reality is God is not a moral ideology, God is God and you have NO justification for imposing your fear filled abusive self derived morality on onto others.

Truth speaks for itself and God doesn't abuse people - so why are you?


Rosha.
edit on 30-6-2013 by Rosha because: (no reason given)


Rosha, hi,

See what I underlined. Your statement isn't true. Again, it is not my PO, God has revealed, specifically, He made sex for marriage and that word "natural", the natural law shows you, doesn't even require faith, sex is between a married man and woman. God made sex for marriage and procreation. Homosexuals can't do either. Sexual sins are denied today as even being sin! Jesus said it in one sentence in the message found in the OP.

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake."

God is going to show everyone in the world personally, do not wait until then, believe NOW, get right with God.

You, me all the world, will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review, part of the "awakening." Search the "Great Warning."


God bless you,


colbe



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Don't you reject the faith, why are you pointing out her rules?



Those are your words, NOT mine. I never once said I rejected the faith, God or Jesus. A hint that I may have some sort of belief is that I do know the rules.



It is not rule in fact, you are allowed to believe or disbelieve private revelation. Roman Catholicism is the faith, the Church Jesus established. If you mean by the term "standard Christian rhetoric" that sodomy is an abomination to God and always has been, this is true. God loves everyone, but never sin. Scripture states nothing unholy enters Heaven.


Mortal sin is just another name for sin. Like sneaking chocolates and then blaming someone else in the family for them all being eaten when dad finds out
We all sin and you yourself would know that very few people actually make it into heaven. Jesus himself said that only one sin is unforgivable Sodomy (which is the act of anal sex btw, NOT homosexuality) is not it.



Daily prayer and regular Confession of our mortal sins to God for the life of the soul especially now, in these dark times. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession.


And I have been told by a priest myself that as a gay person I should still participate in those sacraments. Still not making me any worse than anyone else here.



There is no such thing "Gay marriage", the term is an oxymoron. More important than state's authority is God's authority. Read the couple of messages. The highest authority of the state cannot make an "act" God calls gravely sinful, mortal to the soul, a right, a good.


Oxymoron to you because you only believe in the strict definition of "A man and woman joined in holy matrimony in the presence of God" You had best be targeting every Atheist that marries if that is your actual belief.
Our secular definition of marriage will be "Two adults of legal age and no relation whose union is registered with the state"



Again, to believe you are homosexual is a disorder, a lack of bonding with one's father studies have shown. Recall the destruction of the family in the last 50 plus years. In our time, most all are aware of God's teaching on the homosexual act. You can believe you are gay but you cannot act on it. There are higher and greater things than sex. Confess the sin of sodomy to God and remain celibate. The gift of free will, God allows you to choose His ways or not. Pray for conversions, with the help of God's grace.


I don't think that anyone has the right to lecture me about salvation, choosing God's way and 'rejecting' him after two suicide attempts because I believed I was so perverted, three years of being prayed over and begging God to take this 'cross' of unbearable suffering from me, trips to holy places, self chastisement and self hatred to the point I would not even look in the mirror I felt that disgusted with myself.



There is a cure, as I said the teaching of the faith, homosexuality is a disorder. There is a Catholic Apostolate called "Courage" to help those who believe they are homosexual.


Yeah right. Been there, tried that Exodus ministries was a total sham even 23 years ago. I was even going to become a priest before I realised God would not take the gay away. I did not want to be a hypocrite so I walked away from that idea.



Mark, read the messages from Heaven, believe what they say.

God bless you,


And may peace be with you too Colbe, but you MUST understand that Gayness is not what it seems in terms of Christian teaching. Even the catechism teaches that it is not a sin to be gay, just that it is a sin to live out the life. Which is like saying to an alcoholic, here, have this bottle of gin, but don't drink it.

Words like gay is an abomination are not in the bible, they are an interpretation of what it says.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Rosha, hi,

See what I underlined. Your statement isn't true. Again, it is not my PO, God has revealed, specifically, He made sex for marriage and that word "natural", the natural law shows you, doesn't even require faith, sex is between a married man and woman. God made sex for marriage and procreation. Homosexuals can't do either. Sexual sins are denied today as even being sin! Jesus said it in one sentence in the message found in the OP.

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake."

God is going to show everyone in the world personally, do not wait until then, believe NOW, get right with God.

You, me all the world, will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review, part of the "awakening." Search the "Great Warning."


God bless you,


colbe



Colbe

You reply but do not respond to a single fact or statement let alone reasoned argument posed you. Bad form.

As for your undermined statement I repeat : WHO ARE YOU TO SAY YOU KNOW GODS MIND?

Who are YOU to say you know what God thinks and what God feels about ANYTHING!

Jesus said ANY who call my name will be saved..not ' only pure people with xyz sexuality'. Anyone...and IF The Lord does not set terms for salvation beyond that - why are you?

You think God's mind is so small and his love so fragile or forgiveness so humanly weak that he does not accept all people for what and who their soul is to him? Do you really think God is so stupid and petty...so ignorant of his own creation that he would engage in a bigoted fearing political debate via psuedoprophets?

ALL came and comes from God...ALL returns to God. Whether you like it...or not.
And the only FACT here at all - is that YOU are NOT God and are just.more darkness hiding in the cloak of light.

I *am* right with God I have seen and do know and have felt real mercy amd forgiveness...in all my life and my brush with death, not once has God never asked me to not be human or anything less than my own self honestly. I do not fear, I have applied my faith and *God* never told me any human being was 'less than' me or 'greater' because of their view of morality. Only human beings who think they are..or think they know gods mind do that.

The result of my nde was an acute exposure to actual Gods actual mercy and LOVE..
Yet here you are out here preaching prophecies of fear and faithlessness..and you are so far away from that message of actual Gods, that great actual truth - that we all ARE LOVED....regardless of our sins and because of what God is - not who we are or what we do.

Again I don't know who you are listening too..but your view it isn't in scripture..and if its promoting abuse and oppression it ISN'T of God either.

You need to read your own words and take heed of them yourself.



Rosha

>done<

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posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Don't you reject the faith, why are you pointing out her rules?



Those are your words, NOT mine. I never once said I rejected the faith, God or Jesus. A hint that I may have some sort of belief is that I do know the rules.

ATS, a discussion forum, how am I to know you by two posts? Then why do you disagree with them?



It is not rule in fact, you are allowed to believe or disbelieve private revelation. Roman Catholicism is the faith, the Church Jesus established. If you mean by the term "standard Christian rhetoric" that sodomy is an abomination to God and always has been, this is true. God loves everyone, but never sin. Scripture states nothing unholy enters Heaven.


Mortal sin is just another name for sin. Like sneaking chocolates and then blaming someone else in the family for them all being eaten when dad finds out
We all sin and you yourself would know that very few people actually make it into heaven. Jesus himself said that only one sin is unforgivable Sodomy (which is the act of anal sex btw, NOT homosexuality) is not it.

Not true, there are greater an lessor sins. 1John 5:16-17. Did not say sodomy was unforgivable. Said about twenty times in this thread. You can believe you are homosexual but you cannot act on it.



Daily prayer and regular Confession of our mortal sins to God for the life of the soul especially now, in these dark times. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession.


And I have been told by a priest myself that as a gay person I should still participate in those sacraments. Still not making me any worse than anyone else here.

I thought you were defending homosexuality but straight until this post and I didn't know you were Roman Catholic. You can definitely go make a good Confession. Repent if you are involved in the "act", then, remain celibate. If ANYONE is in mortal sin, they cannot go forward to receive the Eucharist. BUT, you can go to Holy Mass.





There is no such thing "Gay marriage", the term is an oxymoron. More important than state's authority is God's authority. Read the couple of messages. The highest authority of the state cannot make an "act" God calls gravely sinful, mortal to the soul, a right, a good.


Oxymoron to you because you only believe in the strict definition of "A man and woman joined in holy matrimony in the presence of God" You had best be targeting every Atheist that marries if that is your actual belief.
Our secular definition of marriage will be "Two adults of legal age and no relation whose union is registered with the state"

This is not "my" definition and changing the subject to atheists instead of the thread subject. Secular is trumped in all cases by God's law.



Again, to believe you are homosexual is a disorder, a lack of bonding with one's father studies have shown. Recall the destruction of the family in the last 50 plus years. In our time, most all are aware of God's teaching on the homosexual act. You can believe you are gay but you cannot act on it. There are higher and greater things than sex. Confess the sin of sodomy to God and remain celibate. The gift of free will, God allows you to choose His ways or not. Pray for conversions, with the help of God's grace.


I don't think that anyone has the right to lecture me about salvation, choosing God's way and 'rejecting' him after two suicide attempts because I believed I was so perverted, three years of being prayed over and begging God to take this 'cross' of unbearable suffering from me, trips to holy places, self chastisement and self hatred to the point I would not even look in the mirror I felt that disgusted with myself.

Only replying to your comments. I am not lecturing, I posted a message from Heaven. Mark, you have my prayers, my rosary today. Please, go attend the nearest "Courage" meeting. (0) characters left
Write to the founder of "Courage." Praaaaayyyy. Speak to Our Lord and His mother.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by colbe

Rosha, hi,

See what I underlined. Your statement isn't true. Again, it is not my PO, God has revealed, specifically, He made sex for marriage and that word "natural", the natural law shows you, doesn't even require faith, sex is between a married man and woman. God made sex for marriage and procreation. Homosexuals can't do either. Sexual sins are denied today as even being sin! Jesus said it in one sentence in the message found in the OP.

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake."

God is going to show everyone in the world personally, do not wait until then, believe NOW, get right with God.

You, me all the world, will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review, part of the "awakening." Search the "Great Warning."


God bless you,


colbe



Colbe

You reply but do not respond to a single fact or statement let alone reasoned argument posed you. Bad form.

As for your undermined statement I repeat : WHO ARE YOU TO SAY YOU KNOW GODS MIND?

Who are YOU to say you know what God thinks and what God feels about ANYTHING!

Jesus said ANY who call my name will be saved..not ' only pure people with xyz sexuality'. Anyone...and IF The Lord does not set terms for salvation beyond that - why are you?

You think God's mind is so small and his love so fragile or forgiveness so humanly weak that he does not accept all people for what and who their soul is to him? Do you really think God is so stupid and petty...so ignorant of his own creation that he would engage in a bigoted fearing political debate via psuedoprophets?

ALL came and comes from God...ALL returns to God. Whether you like it...or not.
And the only FACT here at all - is that YOU are NOT God and are just.more darkness hiding in the cloak of light.

I *am* right with God I have seen and do know and have felt real mercy amd forgiveness...in all my life and my brush with death, not once has God never asked me to not be human or anything less than my own self honestly. I do not fear, I have applied my faith and *God* never told me any human being was 'less than' me or 'greater' because of their view of morality. Only human beings who think they are..or think they know gods mind do that.

The result of my nde was an acute exposure to actual Gods actual mercy and LOVE..
Yet here you are out here preaching prophecies of fear and faithlessness..and you are so far away from that message of actual Gods, that great actual truth - that we all ARE LOVED....regardless of our sins and because of what God is - not who we are or what we do.

Again I don't know who you are listening too..but your view it isn't in scripture..and if its promoting abuse and oppression it ISN'T of God either.

You need to read your own words and take heed of them yourself.



Rosha

>done<

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You turn it the personal, you disagree with the message from Heaven that is stated simply for anyone
to understand. And the follow up message too. Respond to them. Post them and reply underneath.
The two messages from Our Lord agree with the teachings of the faith for 2000 years.

There you go, no more personal attack of me. It doesn't fix anything.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Don't you reject the faith, why are you pointing out her rules?



Those are your words, NOT mine. I never once said I rejected the faith, God or Jesus. A hint that I may have some sort of belief is that I do know the rules.



It is not rule in fact, you are allowed to believe or disbelieve private revelation. Roman Catholicism is the faith, the Church Jesus established. If you mean by the term "standard Christian rhetoric" that sodomy is an abomination to God and always has been, this is true. God loves everyone, but never sin. Scripture states nothing unholy enters Heaven.


Mortal sin is just another name for sin. Like sneaking chocolates and then blaming someone else in the family for them all being eaten when dad finds out
We all sin and you yourself would know that very few people actually make it into heaven. Jesus himself said that only one sin is unforgivable Sodomy (which is the act of anal sex btw, NOT homosexuality) is not it.



Daily prayer and regular Confession of our mortal sins to God for the life of the soul especially now, in these dark times. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession.


And I have been told by a priest myself that as a gay person I should still participate in those sacraments. Still not making me any worse than anyone else here.



There is no such thing "Gay marriage", the term is an oxymoron. More important than state's authority is God's authority. Read the couple of messages. The highest authority of the state cannot make an "act" God calls gravely sinful, mortal to the soul, a right, a good.


Oxymoron to you because you only believe in the strict definition of "A man and woman joined in holy matrimony in the presence of God" You had best be targeting every Atheist that marries if that is your actual belief.
Our secular definition of marriage will be "Two adults of legal age and no relation whose union is registered with the state"



Again, to believe you are homosexual is a disorder, a lack of bonding with one's father studies have shown. Recall the destruction of the family in the last 50 plus years. In our time, most all are aware of God's teaching on the homosexual act. You can believe you are gay but you cannot act on it. There are higher and greater things than sex. Confess the sin of sodomy to God and remain celibate. The gift of free will, God allows you to choose His ways or not. Pray for conversions, with the help of God's grace.


I don't think that anyone has the right to lecture me about salvation, choosing God's way and 'rejecting' him after two suicide attempts because I believed I was so perverted, three years of being prayed over and begging God to take this 'cross' of unbearable suffering from me, trips to holy places, self chastisement and self hatred to the point I would not even look in the mirror I felt that disgusted with myself.



There is a cure, as I said the teaching of the faith, homosexuality is a disorder. There is a Catholic Apostolate called "Courage" to help those who believe they are homosexual.


Yeah right. Been there, tried that Exodus ministries was a total sham even 23 years ago. I was even going to become a priest before I realised God would not take the gay away. I did not want to be a hypocrite so I walked away from that idea.



Mark, read the messages from Heaven, believe what they say.

God bless you,


And may peace be with you too Colbe, but you MUST understand that Gayness is not what it seems in terms of Christian teaching. Even the catechism teaches that it is not a sin to be gay, just that it is a sin to live out the life. Which is like saying to an alcoholic, here, have this bottle of gin, but don't drink it.

Words like gay is an abomination are not in the bible, they are an interpretation of what it says.


This is why I prefer replies under posts instead of the divided up. And is so time consuming to have to reply
to each comment. Sooner or later, no more characters left (0).

Mark, I am so sorry for your response above but I do not understand it? I'll pray. Do not hate yourself, God loves
you more than any human person can~! You realize, yes? We all have crosses, give them to God the Father, to
Our Lord. If you stay close to God, no one can hurt you.

Investigate "Courage."



love,

colbe



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 03:57 AM
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Mark,

I'll offer the grace of Holy Mass for you and rosary intention too. You already realize about the "grace" given so
do not worry. Pray, pray, pray instead. Remember the words of the Memorare, Mary never leaves anyone
unaided when they ask her help.

She came to my rescue long ago. Speak to her.


love,



colbe



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
Mark, I am so sorry for your response above but I do not understand it? I'll pray. Do not hate yourself, God loves you more than any human person can! You realize, yes? We all have crosses, give them to God the Father, to Our Lord. If you stay close to God, no one can hurt you.

Investigate "Courage."

love, colbe



Of course you don't understand it. You are not gay so therefore you have NO IDEA what I am talking about.
I don't hate myself, in fact I've never been happier......

As for the word Courage; It takes a truck load of courage to say, 'stuff this, I'm done with it, I am who I am and I am going to live the way God made me, no matter what the church at the bible says"

Perhaps you should look it up and actually question some of the irrational beliefs that Christianity holds. Some make total sense and others, well they are quite shaky to put it politely when you apply logic and reason to them.



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe
Mark, I am so sorry for your response above but I do not understand it? I'll pray. Do not hate yourself, God loves you more than any human person can! You realize, yes? We all have crosses, give them to God the Father, to Our Lord. If you stay close to God, no one can hurt you.

Investigate "Courage."

love, colbe



Of course you don't understand it. You are not gay so therefore you have NO IDEA what I am talking about.
I don't hate myself, in fact I've never been happier......

As for the word Courage; It takes a truck load of courage to say, 'stuff this, I'm done with it, I am who I am and I am going to live the way God made me, no matter what the church at the bible says"

Perhaps you should look it up and actually question some of the irrational beliefs that Christianity holds. Some make total sense and others, well they are quite shaky to put it politely when you apply logic and reason to them.


What??? You said you wanted to kill yourself over being Gay?



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 04:20 AM
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Maybe it was to do with the stigma instilled in society by religion that make gay people want to end their suffering.
The fact that your Religion has beaten gay people, killed them and told them they are an abomination in the eyes of god.... which is completely untrue unless you follow scripture like you lived in the 1800's.
They do not need to pray for forgiveness at all, they are human beings just like yourself colbe...the diffeence between gay people and yourself is that they are more tolerant of others and do not act like they are the word of God.
Once again you make a thread where you judge others....not your job is it? nope .



posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe
Mark, I am so sorry for your response above but I do not understand it? I'll pray. Do not hate yourself, God loves you more than any human person can! You realize, yes? We all have crosses, give them to God the Father, to Our Lord. If you stay close to God, no one can hurt you.

Investigate "Courage."

love, colbe



Of course you don't understand it. You are not gay so therefore you have NO IDEA what I am talking about.
I don't hate myself, in fact I've never been happier......

As for the word Courage; It takes a truck load of courage to say, 'stuff this, I'm done with it, I am who I am and I am going to live the way God made me, no matter what the church at the bible says"

Perhaps you should look it up and actually question some of the irrational beliefs that Christianity holds. Some make total sense and others, well they are quite shaky to put it politely when you apply logic and reason to them.


What??? You said you wanted to kill yourself over being Gay?


Yes, I tried to kill myself 23 years ago I succeeded (massive heart attack) but was resuscitated. I spent the next 10 years struggling with the inner conflict of relgion vs my natural self.

What you need to understand is that you do not know our back stories, you do not know our beliefs and most of all, you are not God. I will gladly answer to him and only on judgement day for my life. In the meantime I will live my life the way my heart and my own morality leads me.

The only regret I have is my lost youth spent wasted trying to satisfy a God who clearly did not care that I was gay and wanted him to change me.
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