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a message from Heaven concerning the Supreme Court decision today....

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posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 11:49 AM
reply to post by colbe

Set all your opinions on god and gay people aside and think of the possibility of something good coming out of this....

Procreation is not the great thing of the past our earth is overpopulated and dying at an alarming rate. Like you said gay men and woman can't procreate, good the earth needs that.

Children sit in orphanages waiting to be adopted where before gay men and woman couldn't adopt them cause of legal reasons...the way is being paved so that they can. These children already born are more important than the fabled ones not yet created.

I don't know how and why gay people are gay and straight people are straight but I do know that trying to force opinions on someone to believe they are wrong and to marry the opposite sex for marriage and have children is crazy. Why would you want to force someone to try and love someone they don't? Why would you want spouses to be in a relationship where they are not deeply loved and frankly their partner isn't even attracted to them? That is horrible..I would hate going to bed with my husband if I thought he didn't want me and vice/versa..why would you want relationships like that to exist?

I've had my opinions on gay marriage, like I said I don't understand why people are gay but me not understanding it doesn't stop it from being true. Let them marry...let them love who they want to love so we can move past this now.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 12:08 PM
I'd just like to see the scientific proof we born straight or gay.

I'm straight. I admit it. I prefer females over males. But what makes me so?
Gays say they are born that way. But was I born that way? Do I not have the choice to be gay?
And if not, where is the proof that I am limited in that choice?

What makes a bi-sexual, bi-sexual? I've met bi men and women who cross from same sex to opposite sex all the time. What defines them?

I have yet to see any definitive proof that science can explain when, and how our sexual preference is defined.
Is it in the womb? Is it after birth? Is it our formative teenage years?

For the record I'm not picking any sides in the debate. I'm purely speculating on what makes us (humans) the way we are.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by colbe

Sodomy is a mortal sin.

Well, I'm straight but according to you, I'm gonna burn in hell. Cheers bro.

If sodomy is a mortal sin, that means the pedophile Catholic priests are going to fry.
edit on 28-6-2013 by UnBreakable because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 01:14 PM
reply to post by colbe

Why are you so divisive?

You and I are the same being. We are both god. We are not separate. This reality is a veritable hell in the most true sense of the word and we are here because we are not ready to return to our true self. Any religion with more than one follower is a false religion because it seeks to control another persons thoughts and actions. The only true religion is the individual religion in which a person finds their true belonging without outside catalysts. Everything that a person needs to find nirvana is already inside of them and it is the world of the five prominent physical sensations that confuses and preoccupies our waking mental state.

You follow somebody else's beliefs and claim it to be the truth. You aren't even you in the way you think you are. A mammal is not one life form, but billions of individual cellular organisms that are working in unison to perform a greater task. I am you is me and we are all together and when we leave our mortal flesh behind we will know everything that any living organisms has ever felt or thought. Every single thing you have ever done will be known by "everyone." The beliefs you present in this thread are very negative and when you die you might find yourself regretting these thoughts.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Darth_Prime

Originally posted by veritasmortis
reply to post by ShadowLink

lol, what happened to free will? where do you think your gayness comes from. you are not born gay you choose to be. you gays have them trying to teach little kids in school know thats its ok to be a perv and a sicko. if you wanna be gay be gay, but keep it to yourselves and quit teaching our youths its ok to be a sick perveted gay. look what your kind tried with the boy scouts and failed (thank god for that).

first, i was born gay, Us gays are not perverted, nor sick, nor defects, nor mentally challenged, we are Human and you are human my sexuality doesn't alter that

it is okay to be Gay, to be transgendered, to be lesbian, to be bisexual, and it is okay to be straight

time and time again i hear "Keep it to yourself" but what about your straightness? should you be forced to keep that to yourself? are you brainwashing the 'Children' with your straight propaganda Television shows, and Straight Propaganda dates, and straight propaganda magazines and public figures?

now Colbe,

we have discussed numerous times, and you know i have always defended your right to free thought and religion, what i want to ask is that somewhere today someone that is Homosexual was told by god that it's okay, so who is right?

God didn't tell anybody that being gay is okay. They might think it's God telling them, to make themselves feel better. God makes it plain that homosexuality is a sin. No sin is okay with God. Neither God, nor I hate people that are homosexual. I do hate the sin of homosexuality, because I've seen the results of their sin ( Hiv and other STD's ), confusion, unhappiness, etc.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 01:22 PM

What do you have to say about the Vatican sex ring involving little boys that was just exposed yesterday?


Do you think this is just normal behavior and that it's acceptable because the Vatican is the one doing it?

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 03:01 PM
reply to post by colbe

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Gays are GAY, it's not a choice that's their orientation.

Acceptance is the highest form of love.

It is an act of Christian love to accept gay people as they are, and also to declare that they too are children of a loving God.

I suspect many of the fundamentalists are homophobic for a reason...

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 03:40 PM
reply to post by colbe

Well, reading through this "interesting" thread I'm left with a bad taste in my brain and a primary response... for anyone who cares a whit, that is.

Let me preface this with: most days I feel like an agnostic with as much conviction as a true agnostic can muster that there exists a creator, or God, with huge caveats and much more content. So believers can add that to their reasons to disregard anything I type... and will, I'd bet.

However, it seems that any real communication from God would have some truth and purity and above all, a sense of bringing people closer, rather than tearing them apart. He must, by definition, have the best technique that would put any therapist, clergy or bartender to shame in His ability to reach people.

When I see the families, friends and psyches torn apart over this interpretation of God's will in regards to homosexuality, it doesn't seem remotely "holy." In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest this discord might arise from darker places, if such places exist outside of the human mind.

So anything that flares tempers and kills love with no resolution cannot be of God. This goes for political views, too. Unless, at the most basic level, God isn't about love...

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by Baddogma

Excellent observation. You're closer to God than you might think..

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 04:21 PM
Not everyone is Christian and therefore should not have Christian rules forced upon them. That's not saying that Christians cannot be gay, because I know Christian homosexuals. Christianity, is suppose to be about love and not judging anyone, because according to your Bible, we are all made in Gods image. I think (though I am not Christian,) that Christianity is a beautiful religion. It's the people I hate. I hate that the people have used the Bible as an outlook so they can hate, judge, rape, murder, enslave, and so on and so forth, when those are just as sinful as homosexuality apparently is.

You can say that homosexuality is what is ruining marriages and what will lead to the downfall of the world, but you're just looking to point a finger at someone other than yourself. If your marriage failed, it's because you and your significant other did something wrong. It's because of differences that you cannot manage to overlook. The world is at a downfall because we do not take care of the world and our surroundings, and because we act like animals instead of the humans that we are. If you want to see things change, stop blaming people who have nothing to do with it and be the change you want to see in the world.

Added to that, I think that God would much rather two legal and consenting homosexuals engage in sex rather than a priest or preacher forcing sex upon a small child attending church one day. What do you think? I think God would be more accepting of the first.

AND, How many of you males out there who hate the idea of homosexuality watch and fap to lesbian porn? I don't know if you know this but homosexuality doesn't just cover males. It's females, too. If you're so against gays, stop watching and jacking off to your precious lesbian porn. Which, I should also throw out there is ALSO a sin, according to your Bible.

The Bible is bread for everyday use. Not cake for special occasions. Either follow it all, or none at all. And be careful what you do follow, and how you interpret your Bible, because for some people in your religion, YOU are the only Bible they will ever read.
edit on 28-6-2013 by Lxydeslic because: Mistyped.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by Lxydeslic

Lxydeslic, Lxydeslic, Lxydeslic,

Love the name! Love your post! Welcome to ATS!

Your first star is on me!
edit on 28-6-2013 by windword because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 05:10 PM
*Opens thread wondering, "What Supreme Court decision?"*
*Reads 11 pages of mostly arguing*
*Sees a LOT of anger on both sides*
*Sadly realizes we are so screwed. Knows that she will never live to see peace on earth...too much hatred.*
*Slowly backs out of thread....closing door quietly.*


posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 06:02 PM
reply to post by colbe

It is written...

(The Lord) said - Love one another and you fulfill ALL of the law.

Why would he say that..then undermine its worth by offering a fear filled faithless homophobic rant?

Treating other humans as human beings and affording them the same rights as you enjoy and lay claim to is an act of love and respect.

Being given the time to come to realization, acceptance and humility that these people were already human beings and you did wrong in self righteously denying them those same rights in the first an act of Gods love, evidence of his patience and grace that has been extended towards you.

Be sure its the Lord you're really listening too...fear lives where faith does not...and that full of fearing.

edit on 28-6-2013 by Rosha because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 08:00 PM

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by auraelium
Why did he make Gay people then? if he was gona be so offended by the way they act?

He didn't, homosexuality is a disorder. Studies show it is a failure between parents and children, mainly, a lack of bonding with the father. You can think you are gay but you cannot act on it. Sodomy is a mortal sin. It must from the heart with true contrition be confessed to God before you die. There are a greater number who do not believe this today, even with the many sexual perversions of homosexuality. The negative consequences here on earth should convince you if you are a disbeliever.

God made sex for a married man and woman for the purpose of procreation.

Romans 1:27
And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

You had a book tell you all of that. Don't forget that as much as you might not like it - that book was written by men, and edited my men many times, lastly interpreted by men.

If you're so concerned about homosexuality re: your precious bible, then do you cut your hair? Your bible is against that. Do you wear garments made of more than one fabric? Your bible is against that - as well as many other things that you probably do.

So clearly this homosexuality is your concern, not your bible's - otherwise you'd really know your bible better.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 08:14 PM
reply to post by colbe

There might be help for you or at least a nice padded room!

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 08:42 PM
reply to post by windword

Awh, thanks a bunch!

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 10:06 PM

I only decided to post in the hopes you can be reached and "saved" as it were.

There is nothing worse for a mans soul then his own ego. It is the ego that will prevent you from growing spiritually whether here in mortal form or in spiritual transit. Not whether or not your love for the fellow man ges beyond a slap in the ass if you get my drift.

Some of the greatest, kindest, loving people I have ever met are gay. To think all of them are corrupted souls is beyond laughable and down right ignorant. Which tells me,

A.) you live in some Christian camp with no access to the outside world...Mormon ?

B.) you are gay and hate yourself for it.

C.) your a rubble rouser and just looking to get attention.

D.) you are gay and hate yourself for it.

E.) you are just ignorant and really don't know any better.

F.) you are gay and hate yourself for it.

All of these can be understood and excused if only you would consider rationalizing with simple logic. If you are B, D or F, know that it is ok nd just because your mom or dad doesn't understand God loves you no matter your sexual preference. He just might not want to bump nasties with you.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 10:48 PM
reply to post by Okeyd57

The only confusion that might arise from being homosexual is wondering why another person hates you for your sexual preference. Did you choose to be straight, or were you born that way? What if my religion says that you go to hell for being straight? How is that any different from some bulls**t religion claiming that homosexuality or bisexuality is a sin? It's not, and everybody knows it. Cut the bulls**t and grow up.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 10:49 PM

Originally posted by colbe
Notice the last words of Our Lord, your free will to decide if you wish to follow God, He knows best. We all have to be determined, pray, consecrate your families to Our Lord and His mother. Pray, dear Lord help me to persevere.

You can change, realize who "love" is because love here is fickle, our fallen nature.

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June 26, 2013

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake."

Have you ever had an orgasm? How many times have you had sex? How many children do you have? I guarantee that those numbers don't equal up. Do you enjoy being a parent (if you have kids) because your not supposed to enjoy them either. Your just supposed to procreate life remember? Also what your saying is that if you had a gay child (god forbid you ever procreate) you would turn your back on them? YEAH, There apparently is something wrong with your morals, and you should really read the bible better, I believe it says "judge not least ye be judged," and yet here you are showing your arrogance and your IQ by posting this crap *smdh* INDEED WHAT IS THE WORLD COMMING TOO TODAY!

Should we kill dolphins too? Is there a different father that created them? I mean they have casual sex too just for the pleasure of it, that is nature doing what nature does. If your too ignorant to realize that then perhaps some Re-Education is in order for ur bigoted small minded self.

Oh and please don't try and insult my intelligence by bashing my grammar or spelling just because you cant find a good come back because that's what you people do when you cant think of anything else.

posted on Jun, 28 2013 @ 11:01 PM

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by colbe
Notice the last words of Our Lord, your free will to decide if you wish to follow God, He knows best. We all have to be determined, pray, consecrate your families to Our Lord and His mother. Pray, dear Lord help me to persevere.

You can change, realize who "love" is because love here is fickle, our fallen nature.

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June 26, 2013

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..."I tell you, solemnly, the issue that this country's Supreme Court is considering today - same sex marriage - would have been scandalous a generation ago. That is how compromised the morals of this generation have become."

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake. Mankind is so far removed from the Will of My Father that he now thinks he has the right to legislate what is sin and what is not sin. Sin is never a right, but an erroneous free will choice. The Will of My Father is not debatable. Like Truth, it does not change to please contingencies or garner favor."

"Turn to My Mercy before it is too late."

Explain, where is the error in the message? Sin is never a right. Ah, today, you have the right to do as you wish. Do not call sin a sin, be tolerant.

No, speak up. God has revealed sodomy is a mortal sin, totally against His plan.

so, its totally against his plan, is it?

then you'd better re-read the first few chapters of genesis. where he states that everything was made by him. yes, even gay people. how did that happen?

maybe he had early onset parkinsons?

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