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Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by HarryTZ
Some things are predestined and some are not. It's a good thing God already knows which way we're going to decide either way.
I don't know about you, but my biggest mistakes in life have always had a tendency to run in threes. Whenever I make a poor choice, I find history repeating itself with an almost identical situation coming back to face me again. Usually, by this time, I've realized that a different choice needs to be made to make the situation disappear for good, so I don't have to face it again.
How can only 'some things' be predestined and others not? Does God only have partial control of the universe?
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:44
Originally posted by borntowatch
There are many forms of Christianity and most are wrong.
The true Christianity points to Jesus on the cross to forgive all sin, belief in Him is the message
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by HarryTZ
How can only 'some things' be predestined and others not? Does God only have partial control of the universe?
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:44
Personally, I believe the verse you quoted to be one of those things that defines "predestined".
The rest I just call "foreknowledge".
Originally posted by HarryTZ
I assume that the Christians in this section believe that every event in the universe, including each and every person's actions, thoughts and feelings (and the consumption of the Forbidden Fruit which allowed for sin to exist), has been predestined by God. This would have to include every sin, every wrongdoing, and every moral infraction of each person. And we know that if you sin and don't repent, you go to Hell.
But if God predetermined every sin that each human will perform, why is it fair to condemn him to everlasting torment? If I have absolutely no choice over anything that I do, than I cannot have ever done anything that would justify my going to Hell. That would mean that every man and woman is innocent, because they had no choice in anything that they ever did, thought, or felt. And none of us deserve eternal punishment (not that we would in any case anyway).
Just something to think about.
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Originally posted by HarryTZ
How can only 'some things' be predestined and others not? Does God only have partial control of the universe?
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:44
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Originally posted by borntowatch
There are many forms of Christianity and most are wrong.
Just because you don't believe in it doesn't make it more 'wrong' than you.
The true Christianity points to Jesus on the cross to forgive all sin, belief in Him is the message
Sin which was willed by God, for God's entertainment. What other purpose could God, who is already utterly perfect and unchangeable, have in creating man?
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Originally posted by borntowatch
There are many forms of Christianity and most are wrong.
Just because you don't believe in it doesn't make it more 'wrong' than you.
The true Christianity points to Jesus on the cross to forgive all sin, belief in Him is the message
Sin which was willed by God, for God's entertainment. What other purpose could God, who is already utterly perfect and unchangeable, have in creating man?
So God is the author of sin....hmmmm
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Maybe this was aimed more toward those Christians who are dead certain that our lives are predetermined.
Jesus was explaining to the audience that he was the person who was going to be doing the raising up when there is a resurrection.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:44
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Sin which was willed by God, for God's entertainment. What other purpose could God, who is already utterly perfect and unchangeable, have in creating man?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Maybe this was aimed more toward those Christians who are dead certain that our lives are predetermined.
Maybe it's all semantics. Maybe the ones that God gives to Jesus are the ones that God already knew would accept him.It's easy to say that everything is predestined when God already knows everything that's going happen and every choice that going to be made from the beginning.
Originally posted by korathin
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Sin which was willed by God, for God's entertainment. What other purpose could God, who is already utterly perfect and unchangeable, have in creating man?
Are you willing to absolutely stop being you? I am sick of hypocritical atheists, and others who bash the Creator for the faults of men and women. If someone really faults the Creator for sin, then they should walk the talk, and take steps to give up their own free will.
Then again though, I remember a Philosophy class a few years back that was mostly, if not all lefty students(instructor was a communist, but more so a spiritual altruistic communist so I can kind of respect that). The Professor said something about race(mostly European ethnic class make up except 1 Hispanic young woman in the class) in the class due to regional tension because of an influx of illegals. After he said what he said, he had a slight chuckle, and the entire class(except the Hispanic gal and me) started to chuckle.
I learned two things that day:
1) Most leftists are already halfway gone, in regards to purging themselves of free will
2) Never let a Philosophy Professor realize that your not a cackling head, lol(was still the most enjoyable, and educational class I had at that community college).
In closing:
The type of rationale your trying to espouse, is similar to a teen complaining about getting a speeding ticket, and then later blaming their parents for giving them the keys to the car in the first place.
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by HarryTZ
How can only 'some things' be predestined and others not? Does God only have partial control of the universe?
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:44
God has partial control of man, it seems He has created us in His image with the power of choice.
Love, if God is love, does not violate choice.
John 6.44 is such a small part of scripture to base systematic theology on
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