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Originally posted by neo96
Can't it if some build up paper hero's.
There is nothing the American People can do about it? So that absolves all the responsibility from their hands since it is in the hands of the fascists, correct?
Originally posted by neo96
So Americans found the last admin was spying on them so what did they do?
Elected someone else to stop the spying that didn't end.
The only way spying is going to ever end is if nirbu hits DC
Me and you both know the power is not in the hands of the American People and it is all an illusion to keep them in their place.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
It means Snowden is a paper hero comes out of nowhere then 'blows the whistle' at a time when the US and China was getting ready to face off about Chinese spying costing this nation trillions of dollars, and technology stolen.
Fueled by meida because the only thing people want to talk about is American spying where as both Russia and China also spy both foreign, and domestically.
PAPER HERO that lacks no substance at all, a media superstar much like 'reality tv stars' nothing there.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by jacobe001
Me and you both know the power is not in the hands of the American People and it is all an illusion to keep them in their place.
It never has been they have done what they always do regardless of the 'will of the people'.
That was the point I was making
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Todzer
You care enough to start a thread to try and discredit him
And
People not allowed to start threads on here?
Originally posted by boncho
Context. It's completely out of context. People that turn tail and blow cover are usually self-serving ___holes. It's a fact of life.
Whether or not people think he is a hero, a traitor, is besides the point. For all we know his behaviour was only to secure himself in positions so he could release the information to the public. On the flip side, he was a lazy puke who never wanted to actually put effort in so once he alienated himself enough from the people around him, he fled, dropped a bomb on the public while simultaneously handing over sensitive info to Russia and China. Option 3 would be he was groomed for the part and was paid to do this whole thing, and the information released public and overseas was sanitized in an effort to make it seem like all the State operations were now in the open (while they can continue the good stuff behind closed doors.)
In any case, it boils down to context. We really know absolutely nothing about him and the case in general. What people should focus on is the information dump and not the messenger. The messenger is a distraction.
Some people will call him a traitor.
Some people will call him a hero.
Some people don't care about Snowden any more than they do a desperate housewife of reality TV.
So which is it, Snowden is a paper hero that hasn't done anything, or Snowden is evil because he gave all of this information to the US people, the Chinese, and the Russians?
Uh, I don't really have a horse in the race if Russia or China is spying on it's own people, and I have a government that should be protecting me from Russia and China's attempts at spying on me. What Snowden has shown me is that I should be worrying about what my government is doing to spy on me.
Not really sure how this makes him a paper hero. Who is supporting his status as a paper hero? The United States Government? The Chinese? The Russians? It doesn't even make sense.
So tell me why you think any Human in their right mind in this country would support anything about our government including their cronies (Big Banks and Big Corporations) that run the show?
Sure you can do anything you want as long as you don't break the terms and conditions of the site, but what many don't get is why you focus on character assasinating snowden rather than the message he delivered.
You are focusing on all the negative details, based mostly on speculation, and ignoring the tremendous implications of what he revealed.
I think you mean well because I have read your posts here on ATS for years, but somehow have an unhealthy fixation against russia and china. You fear them more than you fear our tyrannical government. If he stayed in the usa he would have been dead or locked up as a make believe traitor. You do want martyrs or heros?
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Todzer
You care enough to start a thread to try and discredit him
And
People not allowed to start threads on here?
Sure you can do anything you want as long as you don't break the terms and conditions of the site, but what many don't get is why you focus on character assasinating snowden rather than the message he delivered.
You are focusing on all the negative details, based mostly on speculation, and ignoring the tremendous implications of what he revealed.
I think you mean well because I have read your posts here on ATS for years, but somehow have an unhealthy fixation against russia and china. You fear them more than you fear our tyrannical government. If he stayed in the usa he would have been dead or locked up as a make believe traitor. You do want martyrs or heros?
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
So which is it, Snowden is a paper hero that hasn't done anything, or Snowden is evil because he gave all of this information to the US people, the Chinese, and the Russians?
So telling people what they already knew is an epiphany ?
Not to me.
Uh, I don't really have a horse in the race if Russia or China is spying on it's own people, and I have a government that should be protecting me from Russia and China's attempts at spying on me. What Snowden has shown me is that I should be worrying about what my government is doing to spy on me.
Isn't spying the issue?
Don't see any benefit to the US populace of Snowden running in to arms of again the two largest spies in the world.
Not really sure how this makes him a paper hero. Who is supporting his status as a paper hero? The United States Government? The Chinese? The Russians? It doesn't even make sense.
Snowden supporters creating the hero status out of nothing