Leftist Lies About the War !!!

I found a pretty interesting and disturbing article.
We can wonder why some peoples are allways lying.

Almost invariably, when protesters cry "peace" they mainly mean peace for their own minds � absolution from sacrifice or the need to make difficult choices. To that end, they are willing to wage total war against the truth. From accusations that America is starving Iraqi children, to accusations that Bush plan a silent genocide, to accusations that multibillion-dollar wars are fought over $1 billion construction projects, their version of reality requires reassigning motives and responsibility, downplaying or exaggerating facts, and fabricating fantastic lies.

For example, former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter is a novice war protester who instinctively understands what is needed, but isn�t perfectly polished yet. In a September interview with Time, he was reluctant to answer a question about a prison he�d seen during his inspections career, but nonetheless replied:

"[It] appeared to be a prison for children � toddlers up to pre-adolescents � whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene�Actually I�m not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I�m waging peace."

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Well, U-P, Scott Ritter?
Which bit was "interesting"?

And why "lefties"? The Pope protested!

because he hates the leftists, he is a right-wing...

But instead of look and discredit the leftists people talking about the war, u should realize UP against who are u fighting? or better said against who are "THEY" fighting?

How about you actually learn about what you're talking about.

UP first off doesn't hate "leftists" he hates Commys and Nazis, Democrats aren't "leftists" they just display ignorance, but are still promissing.

The pope would be considered near Commy, if not "commy" what pope WOULDN'T want the Church to own everything?

The leftists did lie about Iraq, or were ill-informed by their superiors...it's quite sad.

I hope they are all ashamed now.

And why "lefties"? The Pope protested!

All religious leader protested..............
even the ones in the US..............

The Pope is just the scapegoat of the religious leaders.......As France was the scapegoat of the Anti-war countries.......... As the star Michael Noun(?) was the scapegoat of "intellectual" protesters in the US.............

Reduce the number of your opponent into one, and offer it to the pro-war medias! It work like that propaganda!

Originally posted by ELSFAW
How about you actually learn about what you're talking about.

UP first off doesn't hate "leftists" he hates Commys and Nazis, Democrats aren't "leftists" they just display ignorance, but are still promissing.

The pope would be considered near Commy, if not "commy" what pope WOULDN'T want the Church to own everything?

The leftists did lie about Iraq, or were ill-informed by their superiors...it's quite sad.

I hope they are all ashamed now.

Objectivity 0%
Why?
Because it happend exactly the same in the right
Which shows your point of view, so please if u are gonna teach me something, make sure first it is objective mr Freemason

No, that's pretty far off.

France was targeted mainly because they stood to lose 60Billion dollars if Saddam was kicked out, which he was, and now France is 60 billion dollars in the hole....justly of course.

The Pope speaks for ALL of Roman Catholicism, so naturally he is the only one pointed to.

Propoganda is a term that was invented originally to point out what the Church was doing in the older years, when it actually had power.

Why is it you suckle on the teet of evil? Clinging to the darkness?

I think most men are inheritantly evil (ignorant call it what you will, Socrates thought evil and ignorance are one in the same because no one would knowingly be evil), and there in lies the key.

Because know one knows the dark they turn away from the light, as you have VzH.

You seek the darkness, because all you've ever known was the light, and it is man's nature to explore.

That is the most important thing you will ever hear, it is thinking like yours that led to Hitler, to Stalin, to Mao Ze Dong.

To the Crusades, to WW1, to WW2. To the Final Solution.

Eductating yourself is standing on the threshold facing the darkness, and looking back to see what is good.

You simply won't do that. It is very sad.

You know, some hardcore leftists do seem to like misrepresenting things a little too far. Did the US deliberately starve people to death? No. Did people starve because of UN sanctions, lead by the US? Yes.

Anyway, most hardcore leftists are not in control of countries. What's the justification for Bush and Blair lying about having 100% proof of WMD's?

As for Scott Ritter, he was a UN inspector, his area of knowledge is WMD's. By talking about human rights abuses he's talking about something he's not so qualified to talk about, and it'll only act as a smokescreen to cover the argument that he's really trying to make. Which is that WMD's are not present in Iraq, were not present in Iraq before this war, and so this war should not have taken place.

Deciet isn't the solitary domain of right-wingers, but it's also not the solitary domain of "leftist's" either.

Besides, I'm usually behind wars, I just think this one is a mess. I supported GW1, I supported Kosovo, you can hardly call me a hardcore pacifist, and yet I'm sure the warmongers on these forums consider me to be a leftist, just because I think something stinks about this latest Gulf War.

And UP is pro-war if I remember correctly, and ELSFAW seems to think that being educated means you'd support this war, so if you're anti-war, you must be uneducated, so you must be ignorant, so you must be evil. Hmmm... bizarre.

Originally posted by Estragon

Which bit was "interesting"?

The whole article is interesting. Especially the part where he sayed he saw a childrens prison and didn't say it on purpose !

Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR


1) because he hates the leftists, he is a right-wing...

2) But instead of look and discredit the leftists people talking about the war, u should realize UP against who are u fighting? or better said against who are "THEY" fighting?

1) I don't hate them. I just don't like them. But yes, the far-left ( commies ) and the far-right ( nazis ), I hate them !!!

2) I don't have to discredit the leftists.They are doing pretty well this job themselves.

Originally posted by dom

And UP is pro-war if I remember correctly, and ELSFAW seems to think that being educated means you'd support this war, so if you're anti-war, you must be uneducated, so you must be ignorant, so you must be evil. Hmmm... bizarre.

You wrong. I'm not *pro-war* Who want to do/see a war ???? Not me.

But in some case, *we* have to do war. Anyway, Irak wasn't a war. Just look how Europe was looking after WW1 and 2. Or Korea , Vietnam, Irak-Iran war.... Everything destroyed. Million of deads peoples ( civilians and soldiers ). That's what I call a war. Irak *just* was a minor military operation.

And when you say : "I'm against the war ", in the same time, you say : " Do what you want to your peoples and even my peoples, I'll not act against you ".

What's going on there ???? I'm the only one who can remember what peoples like Hitler and Stalin did ???? If you think that you can talk with them, you're dreaming deeply. They understand only 1 thing. A good kick-in the balls !!! We tryed the *peace solution " many times with tyrants like Saddam, Stalin or Hitler....

We all know what is happening when we don't want to smash them.

Finally, we have ALLWAYS to fight against them, and we have ALLWAYS some peoples who are telling us : " It's a shame, we didn't do anything when we had the possibility to act ". Generaly, these peoples ( look at the left, not the right !!! ) are the same who were telling us that we had to try the peace solution.

In 1936, France alone was still able to kick the nazis ass. But hey didn't do it. Noooo, the *peace solution* was far better. Of course, 3 years later, the whole Europe was almost speaking german. And GB can say " thanks God, our nation is an Island and was not in the mainland ". Otherwise, GB ALSO was overuning by the nazis !!! Thanks to the socialist ( left ). They did a *wonderfull* job.

Yes, living in a peacefull world is a wonderfull thing. But if the price is giving up my freedom and my liberty, you can forget me !!! I don't want the peace of the grave.

I live in a country who has been overan 2 times by a bunch of cranks who were all psychotics, especially the second time ( the nazis ). So, if someone think that I'm a fanatic who absolutley want to do war, he/she do a big mistake. But I'll not surround to a tyrant, even if I have to do war.

Damn it, I need a break.

Yeah, I think there's an alternative interpretation of how modern day events look like 1938. We've just allowed the US to attack a soverign nation without kicking up too much of a fuss. When appeasement was going on in 1938 we allowed Germany to take over Czechoslovakia for no very good reason. The US are currently trying to secure their place as leaders of the world. In 1938 Germany were doing the same.

Really, Stalin and Hitler were extremely powerful leaders of extremely powerful countries. Hussein is not in the same league.

Pre-emptive war is a dangerous doctrine. You really do run the risk that other people start copying that idea. What happens if India or Pakistan decide that they've now got the green light for pre-emptive wars against each other?

Sorry if I said you were pro-war when you weren't. I was just fairly certain that you were right behind this attack on Iraq, which is all I meant by pro-war.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR


1) because he hates the leftists, he is a right-wing...

2) But instead of look and discredit the leftists people talking about the war, u should realize UP against who are u fighting? or better said against who are "THEY" fighting?

1) I don't hate them. I just don't like them. But yes, the far-left ( commies ) and the far-right ( nazis ), I hate them !!!

2) I don't have to discredit the leftists.They are doing pretty well this job themselves.

u still without answering my question..

doesn't like to see kids in jail, he just likes to see them in his bedroom...

Scott R.....great insight on the issue, marine captain Iraqi war vet, weapons inspector........must discredit him at all costs!!!!!!
The Reich Wing....geez!!

Nah...didn't think so.
He discredits himself, by publicly stating that even though he has firsthand witnessed Saddam's cruelty to these children, he won't elaborate on it because it doesn't help his side of an argument...

Originally posted by Bout Time
Scott R.....great insight on the issue, marine captain Iraqi war vet, weapons inspector........must discredit him at all costs!!!!!!
The Reich Wing....geez!!

No need to discredit him, he did it all by his little ol' lonesome.

Look, the war was righteous, it went over well, time to move on.
The likes of Garrofolo and Madanna will never say they were wrong, looks like Mike Farrel won't either, move on.

Better than argue about the past, how about a pool for the next target, if you think there will be a next target. Everyone antes up 5 credits.

No, TC, they won't say they are wrong. But, when looting is the only concern they can come up with...

Ritter, werent we just talking about him being fond of those underage?? Like Thomas said, he did it all by his ol' lonesome.

The left will never admit the were wrong about the war.But it is no surprize.All the protesters did is make themselves look like idiots for the most part.They could do themselves some good in the public eye if they started to protest other countries abuse of human rights.But I don't think they have the guts to protest Sryia or NK etc....Most probably don't have a clue what is going on in those countries.

And Scott Ritter....LOL That fool sunk himself.

Just a thought. But to all those of you that support and believe Ritter, you show yourself to be supporting a regime that routinely imprisoned children.

Think about that next time you whine about Guantanamo Bay.

You can't have it both ways.

Don't bother leveller, people like Bout Time are idealists, they don't know what the real world is.

People like them hang from the trees when the Dictators that they ignored, take over.

They just can not see that Good survives by defeating evil, not by ignoring it.