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Revolution!!! (U.S)

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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by Xcal2k3
 


Quite a statement. I'm not going to ask who you are.


yeah its the pie in the sky idea that it's a needed evil and once the georgia guidestones requirements are met, we'll all live happily ever after. well, at least the ones that aren't needlessly slaughtered.

dang, can't they come up a better idea than that?
i mean i'm sure "there are alternatives to fighting" and killing and poisoning and other unfriendly tactics.




posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by EA006

It's written in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms.
There are millions of you, armed to the teeth in some cases.
The inventory of weapons available to you at a civilian level is extensive and impressive.

If you're that p***ed at your government why not do something useful with those guns.


That begs the biggest question. A lot of people supposedly pissed off at the government, i.e.: the structure, are left wing folks who would like to see socialism and/or communism be implemented in the states. These "Power to the People. Smash the State" include a lot of young people and students with no visible means of support, unions who want to shake down the companies and governments who give them jobs, and advocates of social change. By and large, they have no guns. They just talk a lot.

The people who have the guns are, by and large, patriotic, law-abiding citizens who hate socialism and communism with a passion. Oh, some of them are as every bit radical on the right as those radical on the left, to be sure, but by far the largest majority of gun-owning Americans are not going to be trying to topple the government, but they would be quite willing to defend the government from the left wing.

Any revolution here would turn out far differently than you apparently imagine.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by ElohimJD
 


Why is everybody responding hell bent on making this a 'head on' collision with the military.
It doesn't have to be this way.


it's an international war machine. if our own troops got involved in defending us from our own government, they'd just call for help from the UN, and soon we'd have russians and chinese and people from arabic countries who salivate at the idea of destroying the "great satan", "whore of babylon" and all the other forboding moniquers being applied to the people, that are actually talking about a single city, not an entire nation of people. the whole world is being brainwashed and/or convinced by various means, to think that wiping out the american people will solve all the problems on the planet.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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people who are pushing for revolution really don't understand what they are asking for. the ones that do understand it, are not thinking clearly, and the ones that are thinking clearly and still want it to happen, are not exactly shining examples of humanitarianism (whew long word) or compassion.

consider the press surrounding these foreign wars / skirmishes/ arab springs. they only show american troop activities. what about the other nations involved? you're supposed to ignore them so you think only the usa is the problem. in effect, we're being set up by a multinational war machine, and they are daring us to do anything about it because they know the communist nations and arab nations they have helped, will come to help them out if we do try to do anything. i love you folks, i don't want to see you die over something like this when there are so many other ways to resolve our problems, none of which require killing each other or being killed.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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reply to post by undo
 


I see your point. So do you think that the idea of revolution is farcical?



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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I don't know exactly what your husband's job was but I WAS a scout in the 7th Cav Desert Storm.
I too am having some issues as is MY wife,until they allow us to get an fMRI I'll keep going as if I'm still healthy.
I can't breath ,thinking advanced training might take too long but I can still shoot accurately and walk.That'll do.

You should also know better than to give into failure and depression.That'll kill you too.
We are well trained to wait for them to move first and counter the invasion effort,hot heads not withstanding.


edit on 27-6-2013 by cavtrooper7 because: finished my point



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by cavtrooper7
You should also know better than to give into failure and depression.That'll kill you too.

"Kill too"... So you admit a revolution would kill us.


We are well trained to wait for them to move first and counter the invasion effort,hot heads not withstanding.

What training do you have to counter an ADS? What training do you have to counter drones strikes? What training do you have to counter nuclear strikes.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 04:27 PM
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"People don't understand guerrilla warfare let alone know how to fight it. Organizing, training, arming and acting in a fashion that has any hope of success is hardly possible in todays cities and mega urban sprawl."


That is why we have Green Berets who coordinate the effort,my job is recon.The uniform will be hobo disguises.
If they are seen cutting down homeless people it'll be over very quickly.

edit on 27-6-2013 by cavtrooper7 because: finished my point



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 04:36 PM
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If nukes are used we all die.Yes there will be a great deal of non combatant deaths but that wasn't the context of my post.All aircraft (above ground) are from things called bases,Rangers kill those. Airforce security can be overrun pretty quickly. Even with army augmentation.
ADS are perimeter guard systems usually requiring parts and power both of which will be in short supply when trucks go boom from sabotage missions.Snipe the techs and crews and now they are YOUR ADS.
Not a war fighting weapon a crowd control non lethal toy at best.
Chem/Bio will be equally horrible if that is used losses will greatly surpass the Guides stones which are theory as well.
I doubt they have the stomach for a fight. They just want to arrest.That will still happen for a while until something goes wrong.
edit on 27-6-2013 by cavtrooper7 because: corrected myself



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 04:58 PM
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I think what has been suggested is possible. You have first-hand knowledge, do you think a revolution could be achieved?



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 05:02 PM
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What achievement? It will be death for a staggering number but yes it can be done...again.
No body has the full picture I am not a guerilla commander I am a single man who reads a hell of a lot of military info all the time.
edit on 27-6-2013 by cavtrooper7 because: finished my point



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by EA006

It's written in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms.
There are millions of you, armed to the teeth in some cases.
The inventory of weapons available to you at a civilian level is extensive and impressive.


If you're that p***ed at your government why not do something useful with those guns.



Disclaimer: I am not instigating revolution in the U.S
edit on 26-6-2013 by EA006 because: Disclaimer


Your disclaimer does not match with the sentence before it, sorry. Of course your words are trying to instigate. You can't suggest they do one thing and then write a disclaimer saying you didn't.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by EA006
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I see your point. So do you think that the idea of revolution is farcical?


in this country, yeah, very much so. it would just be a slaughter. i keep hearing that verse from the bible, "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. this is the faith and patience of the saints." which to me says, revolution is not going to resolve our disputes during these precarious times, only hasten our deaths. we need to have wisdom and common sense, especially common sense. wouldn't hurt to remember that the people you love could end up statistics. places you enjoyed, leveled to the ground. perhaps unlivable for decades or even centuries. everything would change over night.


edit on 27-6-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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On this I agree but we are not seeing those virtues applied with good measure. It is befuddled by perception and "hurt feelings"
Not to mention the 2 big gorillas politics and money



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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p.s. also, during revolutions those hurt most are those least able to defend themselves, such as children, the elderly, women, handicapped people such as the blind or wheel chair ridden. typically when the violence is that heavy, rapes increase by huge amounts, and people become debased and immoral to the nth degree. little kids are raped ,women, old people. war is not something you want to encourage in your country (or anyone else's for that matter)
edit on 27-6-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by yourmaker
I hope to god that a revolution never happens here without a lot of thought first.

The military comprehension from some of you scares me to pieces and I don't scare easily.

Having guns isn't a pre-requisite for victory you know.
It's not even a major component to what a real victory would look like.

You simply want to remove the people who negate their duties and replace them with honest people.
Not destroy our civilization.

The gun aspect while helpful is completely useless when the rule of law currently enabled disallows such action.

First step is to observe these people. Find out specifics of who they are and what they do.
Next step would be to infiltrate and once inside try and cause a change.

If these steps have already occurred then it's time to just set up a Transitional Government and remove their legitimacy.

That's if there is actually a conspiracy in the first place...
They could just be a really really inept government to begin with.


Or just maybe the precepts of independence were contrived in the first place by
deception and subterfuge. Am I the only guy in the room that read the Treaties
of Paris and Galt? They just went underground and enslaved us with 'laws'...
and we let them. Remember that "All Roads ..."guy and March 28, 1861 ??



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by UnknownEntity4U
 


Trillion? you mean billion? yes.
There are 300 million Americans, were you planning a word-wide revolution??


At this point a perspective needs focusing. It IS happening worldwide, sleepyhead.

We the People are talking about it, not about some incredible puppy splatter all
over the road. You want to play like THEM?
What we're talking about is just saying no and not coming to the microwave cannon
party, and gettin' done on both sides in less than three seconds. See Gort...LOL
(Good op ed)
I don't even advocate a general strike, just everybody tell the government to get a grip off of it..
especially that big can of weaponized germball up at FL420.

Or we could do nothing but sit around here and type right 'till the end. In that case,
Happy Codependence Day.

I propose to make some more camping lighters.
Meet Hiram MODS"""!!! not for Sale!!!
I give them to friends. "One if by land."

if you were to analyze one, the geometry is most intriguing.
And just like a bumblebee can't fly, say the engineers...
these can't work.. just like we are supposedly powerless.
I wonder if this country can make anything out of it again...



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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If you're that p***ed at your government why not do something useful with those guns.


Like what? Murder people? Take those guns to Washington D.C. and see what happens, the military will be on you and you'd be branded terrorists.

Revolution is a fairy tale. This day and age the best you can hope for is a military coup and then you could go from the frying pan and into the fire. Revolutions were easier to throw 200 years ago when everyone had access to the same level of weapons and technology as their governments, which was muskets and cannons. Now? Try pistols and hunting rifles verses drones, nukes, sonic weapons, F-22 and F-35, satellite imagery. You're living in a fantasy and you're going to get everyone else killed.




The inventory of weapons available to you at a civilian level is extensive and impressive.


How many citizens do you see with F-22 and F-35's or drones, tanks, or nukes parked in their yards? None. Now you know why it's too late.
edit on 27-6-2013 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Start by refusing to do business with corporate entities, good luck with that one since nearly every single business in the country has incorporated to externalize risk......

Externalization mean you are responsible for the mess they make of things while getting you that junk you think you need....

Corporations and government are one and the same, big money can get laws written, get legislation passed through lobbying (bribery), basically write their own rules as they go, (defacto/dejure)....

Almost all are addicted to the luxuries provided by government and corporations without even realizing or admitting it to yourselves, and won't stand up against them/it in any meaningful way that will change anything, because you are dependent on corporations/government in nearly every aspect of your lives.

Maybe when the choice between paying ridiculous amounts of money for nearly nothing and sitting out in a cold rain become the options, and you choose the cold rain because it's easier to bear, things may change in a meaningful way for the betterment and welfare of the people.

Going against government/corporations with physical force/violence only works when a larger percentage of people agree there is no option other than violence, and most of us can't agree on the most inane of subjects, and from a logistics standpoint would be stupid because war just gets people killed and breaks stuff and costs resources people can't afford to waste.

We need to do something they don't expect, like bite the bullet and get skinny and cold and strong and on the same page, learn there is nothing to fear when there are no lights and walk around in the dark, consider there may not be a man in the sky who will save us from ourselves, and save ourselves, by ourselves, break a sweat to get somewhere instead of sitting in our motorized recliner....

But the last thing we need to do is start hurting and killing one another, I mean where do you start?, and when it starts where does it stop?.

Disregard the military, after all they're made up of us and people like us, maybe too young and naïve to know better, but still us, most of them won't fire on us regardless of orders.

You need to worry about the psychopaths who like killing and carnage, they couldn't get enough and are contractors for corporations now, and cops (yeah they're working for corporations too).

Don't worry be hungry.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by EA006

It's written in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms.
There are millions of you, armed to the teeth in some cases.
The inventory of weapons available to you at a civilian level is extensive and impressive.


If you're that p***ed at your government why not do something useful with those guns.



Disclaimer: I am not instigating revolution in the U.S
edit on 26-6-2013 by EA006 because: Disclaimer


Why do you assume that guns are the best weapon to use against the government?




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