The Issue of Misandry – 21st Century Social Conspiracy

Originally posted by smyleegrl

See MANY, NOT ALL BUT MANY MEN are sex ruled, without Morality restraints, many, not all but many would rape infants, even their own, IF there was no protection of infants, etc. Talking here about the most Debased of nature, the Agenda of these sex starved porn types, is the absolute removal of Anything CONSCIOUS or that would say, you need CONSENT. These types don't give a damn about consent, ONLY THEIR LUSTS,

reply to post by ThreeBears

 

No, I disagree.

Everyone has sexual desires, that's part of being human. However, while men may be more sexually attuned than women (and I'm not convinced this is the case at all), I do not believe "many" men are sex-ruled and without restraints. To say that "many" men would rape an infant, even their own child, flies in the face of logic and history and is exactly what the OP is about.

Most men don't commit sexual crimes. Most men are wonderful husbands and fathers, brothers and friends, who would never consider rapng anyone, much less an infant.

What you've done here is paint a picture of "many" men that is totally inaccurate. It's misandry, pure and simple.

really, you're in some Serious DENIAL. One doesn't need to "paint" a picture, hardly,

All One has to do is pull their head out of their ass and take a damn hard LOOK at the WORLD, GEESH the FACTS are all OVER THE DAMN PLACE!

One, start with just the Arrests and Convictions here in America, of child rape and murder, by FATHERS. Some by Mothers but majority by Fathers. IF anyone sees and denies facts, then they are not just in denial but stupid, seriously stupid...
Or Evil take your pick...

Two then there is the FACT that child porn and child snuff films are on the Increase, Here, let's do a quick google search, of just how many VIEWERS there are...Shall we?

www.familysafemedia.com...

Now let's scroll down, look at Numbers just from these stats, of CHILD PORN...6 million, 82PERCENT MALES...

Teen porn is NOT adult porn, but Miniors, many of them pre twelve, That's CHILD PORN....EIGHTY TWO PERCENT, and that's only the Recorded stats.

Scroll down a bit more, over 100,000 A DAY REQUESTS FOR CHILD PORN

Not five, a 100,000 A DAY, not decades, a DAY.

Just from Those stats, says a LOT.

Then all one has to do us look at the Numbers of Reported child molestation/rapes, by Male Relatives, many of them fathers...and many victims toddlers or pre teen girls AND BOYS. Use to be, one watch group reported several a year, then those reports became several a month...NOW IT'S SEVERAL A WEEK.

Oh, let me guess, ALL THOSE CHILDREN LIE RIGHT??? Thise vagina and anal tears are Just imaginary, yea Right they are.

Now as for Court cases, actual child rape/abuse stats BY FATHERS/BOYFRIENDS, I've posted those here before, and I'm sure you've seen them. Those are mostly in the US alone, though Britains numbers have risen a lot. Do I Really need to repost all those AGAIN????? seriously????

So "paint" a picture, BULL. That implies simply opinion,

Which is Ludicrous when FACTS, NOT OPINION BUT FACTS ARE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU

Then on top of that lets look at Trafficking and the Demand for Children, you dont Seriously think these Children are raped and tortured slaves by Ghosts do you?

townhall.com...

That's just in America...there are hundreds more of trafficking sites/stats...and YOU yourself can google research the Ridiculous numbers of Viewers/seekers of child porn and child snuff films,

# you can go to Craigslist and put up an add and see yourself how many child rapists there is out there, as well as those who have no issue with destroying females.

Point is, painting a picture is simply an accusation to distract from EVIDENCE, not just Opinion, it would be Misandrous to just have an Opinion,

It's Far from Misandrist when you have FACTS EVIDENCE EMPIRICAL DATA PROVING CLAIMS...

That's not painting anything, now if you want to Continue denying reality and distraction for Facts, by labeling Misandry, then by all means do so, but then see that's an argument against Either Facts OR arguments about whether or not you or one debating truly finds child rape and misogynist crimes as evil. Which would be a whole other ball game and oh Yes I've seen numerous women in the pro porn/BDSM industry Esoecially JUSTIFY that garbage so nothing surprises me....Satanism is alive and well.

Now DO I think that men by nature are this way OR constructed by social constructs, that's a difficult question as evidence backs up both, referring to bio determinism verse environment there...I think it can be both. That in no way makes one Misandrous...

What it Does make however, is one seeking Answers to very real problems and the solutions To them, Rather than just being a Cheerleading lapdog for the Pornified Rape Culture status qou, which Yes is highly misogynist.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I say ... "suffrage" means "right to vote" (or petitioning by prayer) not suffering.

And I also say that this trend in society is just the social over-reaction that happens after awareness grows of a huge wrong ...though woman might be getting more "reparations" than, say, non-white male folks. But never mind non-white women. They're still pretty "effed.".

I believe the media should be more equal in portraying both male and female people as bumbling morons.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I don't watch TV or commercials so I'm not familiar with the shows you mentioned... I think it would be interesting to do an experiment and watch TV all week and take notes to see if it's really as you say it is (men being marginalized)... or if you just notice when it happens because you're more sensitive to it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see some real evidence.

As regards the picture, I think we have to take reality into account. How many older men sexually molest younger girls? And what are the numbers vice versa? The sexuality of the male is much different than the sexuality of the female. It's one of our built-in differences.

I don't like to see men marginalized any more than I like to see women marginalized. I also think the laws are highly unfair in favor of the woman when it comes to divorce, child custody, child support and even abortion. I think it's a simple case that the pendulum has swung in favor of the woman and it's now swinging back to center as men get more rights on these issues.

reply to post by ThreeBears



Here, some actual Cases, IN America, we can exclude the One in Three in South Africa...which if you do a current research on infant rape the epidemic in SA will come up...

Let's just look at US, since well, "painting" a picture and all...Which btw is nothing more than a Slap in the face to Every CHILD victim Out there...

www.drmomma.org...

voices.yahoo.com...

usnews.nbcnews.com...


Dastardlydads blog keeps an ongoing stats on every case being prosecuted IN the west,

Now IF someone Could Read these cases and facts, and let's throw in Safe Child International stats/current cases with that, and say to these Child protection warriors that they are just Misandrous,

Then I would dare to say, they aren't just about protecting misogyny, they are Protecting Child Rapists, and I don't care if Male or Female,

They should be drawn and quartered. Period. Because to just Conveniently sweep these FACTS under the rug and then parade the LIE that these aren't horrors or that there isn't a Male Violence problem,

Really what they are is just the very Serpents I discussed earlier today. But if That makes me a Misandrist, well then,

So be it, I can handle the label, if it means waking up one person to the Problems and the more waken up then Maybe we can STOP ENABLING THIS GARBAGE

AND BEGIN TO CHANGE IT.

I DO BELIEVE the REASON we are Seeing SO MANY of these violent acts IS because TOO MANY WOMEN coddle and Enable this #, because God forbid if they aren't Popular among the males, patriarchy club.

Which is EXACTLY the type of Serpent females I mentioned, WE DON'T PROTECT CHILDREN, HALF OF WHICH

ARE

MALES

By Ignoring and Coddling male sexual violence AND the MISOGYNY which Harbors such, entitlements and all, to a "sex class" and ALL the Patriarchal power structures that feed the Protections and Contribute to the environment t conducive to make violence, both intimate and political.

period.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I don't watch TV or commercials so I'm not familiar with the shows you mentioned... I think it would be interesting to do an experiment and watch TV all week and take notes to see if it's really as you say it is (men being marginalized)... or if you just notice when it happens because you're more sensitive to it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see some real evidence.

Even just a few hours of any mainstream comedy, drama or reality TV series and I'm sure you'll take note of how it seems. I don't think I'm more sensitive to it, I didn't realize it was there for years until somebody pointed it out to me. That's the thing with TV, the conditioning is usually very subtle, but I find some of it to be very very obvious.

As regards the picture, I think we have to take reality into account. How many older men sexually molest younger girls? And what are the numbers vice versa? The sexuality of the male is much different than the sexuality of the female. It's one of our built-in differences.

It's probably a better idea to discuss the amount of sexual assault reported than done. 90% of all male sexual assault goes unreported, partially because society has pressured men in certain ways to be ashamed of such things. There are virtually NO help groups or anything for men who suffer sexual abuse.

I don't like to see men marginalized any more than I like to see women marginalized

But you said you haven't seen the issues that I've described because you aren't exposed to the content right? So you don't see what you aren't exposed to. I would suggest that you just take a quick look BH, you're a very reasonable person who is quite wise, I'm sure you'll at least see where I'm coming from.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

I don't watch TV or commercials so I'm not familiar with the shows you mentioned... I think it would be interesting to do an experiment and watch TV all week and take notes to see if it's really as you say it is (men being marginalized)... or if you just notice when it happens because you're more sensitive to it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see some real evidence.

Even just a few hours of any mainstream comedy, drama or reality TV series and I'm sure you'll take note of how it seems. I don't think I'm more sensitive to it, I didn't realize it was there for years until somebody pointed it out to me. That's the thing with TV, the conditioning is usually very subtle, but I find some of it to be very very obvious.

As regards the picture, I think we have to take reality into account. How many older men sexually molest younger girls? And what are the numbers vice versa? The sexuality of the male is much different than the sexuality of the female. It's one of our built-in differences.

It's probably a better idea to discuss the amount of sexual assault reported than done. 90% of all male sexual assault goes unreported, partially because society has pressured men in certain ways to be ashamed of such things. There are virtually NO help groups or anything for men who suffer sexual abuse.

I don't like to see men marginalized any more than I like to see women marginalized

But you said you haven't seen the issues that I've described because you aren't exposed to the content right? So you don't see what you aren't exposed to. I would suggest that you just take a quick look BH, you're a very reasonable person who is quite wise, I'm sure you'll at least see where I'm coming from.

~Tenth

While I strongly disagree with the whole mansplaining [geared by the Mysogynists MRAs and yes I Know the type as well as their agendas] etc.,

I will say, there Are support Groups for MALES, who've been sexually abused, and the fact that these yes Crimes not only do happen, By other MEN for most part but there IS that percentage of female adults who sexually abuse children, including their own daughters....

But that most don't now that majority of rapes of men do Not just happen in Prison, but outside of prison. In fact, one of the Worst places of male on male rape,

Is none other than your good ole college Frat culture, FACT.

It was during research of the hazing and rape crimes IN the Frat culture that I found the stats And Groups for men, and from there I've kept research on this issue.

you are correct that in patriarchal society the rape of makes is taboo, male victims are marginalized and yes there has even been feminists Groups, who trivialize male rape. Which does a disservice to all addressing sexual violence and violence in particular, because rape after all is about CONTROL and DOMINANCE.

I will have to check my other sources/blogs, etc but I do have those group info, which are run By Men for Men male victims. And on That point yes you are correct, not enough is done on this issue and on that I will include the issue of Female sex ABUSERS of children,

It happens Way more than is covered. Even worse is the child custody cases where BOYS are raped by fathers and the system Completely scoffs and even Protects the rapists. One case, CA the boy himself Sued the courts for divorce to escape an abusive father who threatened him with boot camp/RE EDUCATION with the Blessing of Pro pedowanks Courts and psyche docs and who,

To escape had to get married when he was 16. His case is in no way a rare case either...

I will get those Groups and post them here for you.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Even just a few hours of any mainstream comedy, drama or reality TV series and I'm sure you'll take note of how it seems.

I'll keep that in mind. I think you should provide a run-down, since you are making the claim, however. I'm not sure it's as serious a problem as some think. Like I said, it's the swing of the pendulum. Maybe I'm expecting men to just understand that and work for true equality because I've been around for 50-some years and have seen women work tirelessly for decades for what we have today... I wouldn't be surprised if the pendulum has swung a little overboard, considering what women dealt with for centuries before women's liberation...

It's probably a better idea to discuss the amount of sexual assault reported than done. 90% of all male sexual assault goes unreported, partially because society has pressured men in certain ways to be ashamed of such things. There are virtually NO help groups or anything for men who suffer sexual abuse.

My point was not that women are more victimized, but that men are more the aggressors. That's why someone would call the police in your picture - because MEN were lusting after kids, regardless of their gender. Women lusting after young men very unlikely to turn into sexual assault. When it comes down to it, woman feel "motherly" toward young men, even if they are extremely cute. Women's sexual drive isn't strong enough to overcome the logic of the situation, whereas men's is. (Speaking in general terms, of course)

But you said you haven't seen the issues that I've described because you aren't exposed to the content right?

That's not what I said at all. I said I've not seen it on TV, but I see it in the courts, as I said. And my statement stands. I don't like to see men marginalized any more than I like to see women marginalized.

Hey Tenth, nice post. I've observed this phenomenon at every level of the entertainment industry, where men for the most part are portrayed as bumbling fools next to their clever, well put-together female counterparts, and I'm always drawn to this discussion.

Something I wanted your thoughts on though, and sorry if someone addressed this already in the thread, cuz I didn't see it:

Have you noticed how gay men are almost universally portrayed as clever and well put-together, right alongside the women? I'd be surprised if you haven't. Why do gay men get a pass?

I'm not taking a pot-shot at you or being homophobic (I hate that misused term, but what the hell, it's the vernacular), or anything like that, so you and anyone else shouldn't take it that way. Your thoughts on my observation might be helpful for the conversation.

-Mordeen

To TENTH,

The Groups and research as promised
A Really good Blog/research data on Female Offenders, that is NOT part of a Misogynist agenda, nor part of MRAs, etc. But IS for addressing the Problem of Female Offenders including Mother to Daughter sex abuse and Female ABUSERS of men.


ON FEMALE OFFENDERS, MALE RAPE, ETC. [Warning, ALL these blogs Will trigger, many of the cases are hard to read, etc so be fore warned]

www.female-offenders.com...

On the Differences between male survivors and female

www.socialworktoday.com...

mother sexual ABUSERS, both of sons and daughters, I highly recommend her site, also addresses GLBT rape, she is also good for Ritual Abuse to some degree, though I highly suggest this site for addressing Mother offenders or especially female on female abuse that takes into consideration the patriarchal element...good one for Survivors of child sexual abuse, male or female, by female offenders

kalimunro.com...

Priest abuse, many Male survivors, also a legis site
www.snapnetwork.org...

For Male survivors

www.pandys.org...

www.hopeforhealing.org...

Addressing Fraternity Rapes

amensproject.com...

There are several more but these are some of the top rated that I've used as resources for research or referrals

All this btw is in addition to all the Other I posted here in regards to misogyny and the distortions or excusing if, using Misandry as a catch term to perpetuate patriarchal power structures and worse, the conclusion to De Gendering...in other words, in no way does the Fact that Yes abuse of males happens and more often than focused upon, it does not in any shape or form Erase or Trivialize the FACT that by far, the abuse is towards females over proportionately.

I do believe however, that the more the DE-GENDER CULT takes over the more we will see an increase of Female offenders. There is also another good study, about Why men rape infants and children, out of South Africa,

contrary to the excuse of virgin/HIV, etc., she, the one who works in this field found that in all the cases she researched and interviewed, the rapists all were victims of horrific child abuse/trauma, and that they had zero ability to Emphasize. This is important, as the DE GENDERING agenda that I referred to, their goal IS to produce children with ZERO EMPATHY,

Want the Perfect soldier slash killer, Create one from a child, zero empathy severe detachment....If interested I can also post that study (South Africa).

On everything I said on the other I stand firm...and By the Way, the majority of women I Know who work with male survivors and who are spear heading the movement to address Rape of men and boys, are also, Feminists.

Just for the record...the ones who Placate Misogynists, are NOT the ones on the forefront for Any victims, they Are however, mouth pieces for the porn culture/prostitution and Fundie cultures that Thrive on dominance, power and Hiearchies. Be they religious or secular...

reply to post by SearchLightsInc

The majority of men were against it yet here we are?? Your question answered.

Yeah OK, if majority were against it the protest would have been dismantled and done with.

Why would i be scared of any thing feminine? only problem is the feminism is so far up the justice's butt, they attack men thru unfair judicial system.

You just cant see past your own gender can you? Are you a socio path mate?Do you care only about yourself first and very little about every one else?

If modern feminist thought like this, we would not be having this conversation.

You should be gratful that im even bothering to reply to you?

Oh, im sorry, may i speak? so sorry for stepping on your feminist ego. Please don't go to the police, im sure they will arrest me whatever madeup reason you give them.

Does your family have a history of duping women into carrying your genetics on?

No, the reason im here is because my mom wasn't trying to competing with my dad to see who is the "man" of the house or the reason my parents are still together for 35 yrs, seen grandkids. My mom does not try to compete but she can shut my dad up with any arguments if she wants to.

I highly doubt you would have the chance to pass your genes(unless you find some feminized man to step on), maybe its a good thing.

Middle aged strait (not narrow), white male who knows how to shoot straight (literally) and talk straight.

There may be some merit to what you are saying here OP, but you haven't even scratched the surface, in terms of your bias propensity and the "big picture".

Women in modern "Western Civilization" have been so much relegated to an "inferior status" in so many facets of modern life it would take forever to articulate them. Women couldn't even vote until 1920.

Additionally, we couldn't set aside enough time to discuss how much the media manipulates both sides of the gender politics issue.

Finally (for this comment), any handling of this subject that does not consider a larger context of the role of media in social, gender, property, labor, economics and political life is a profoundly uninformed discussion.

How we, as men see these issues is extremely biased. As the saying goes "there is NO SUCH THING as objectivity", because everything I see is biased by my own life experience.

I think it might be closer to a genuine discussion to ask, what are the motivations of those who wish to bring men and women to more harmonious social relationships, and what are the motivations of those who wish us to separate off from each other more and more?

Personally? I think anything that can be used to create increasing divisions between people at every level of definable difference is in play right now.

Divide and conquer. The more chaos between folks for any reason at all, the better it is for The Powers That Be.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Well you have a real question here. You also have a new word, I don't believe I've seen that one before.

You have quite an argument and have presented a number of cases and examples.

I guess the question is, are men displaying reduced or modified masculine behavior, and is this the result of an increase in female aggression? I for one feel that there is. But I don't think that it is the result of female aggression. I think female aggression is the result of the same forces responsible for changes in males. What is that? I'm not sure, but I think it has something to do with the full feature comfort lifestyle we here in the States enjoy.

I think you're taking it too hard. The physical reality of superior masculine strength, may someday be thrust back into importance, and you real manly guys will be out there doing just what you need to do and the women folk are gong to happy you're doing it.

Society has, for quite a few years (decades) been waging a very real and deeply rooted effort to endlessly empower women, while simultaneously molding men to be, at best, generic figure heads; and at worst, weak, spineless, dysfunctional, incompetent idiots. It is absolutely surreal to think of how so many people are blissfully unaware of this, and of those who do take notice, most opt to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the truth.

It is such a taboo subject to even bring up that most people who recognize the problem feel that it's too volatile a topic to even try and talk about at any length. It's semi-comparable to the subject of male victims of domestic violence in that people just don't want to hear about it or discuss it. People are uncomfortable to stray too far from those firmly entrenched stereotypes that mass media has exhausted itself to make us all feel "comfortable" accepting. God forbid anyone make waves by challenging widely accepted modes of thought...

The fact that it took the OP more than eight months of thinking about this thread to finally go ahead and make it, speaks volumes.

I understand that misandry exists. I wonder, what are the rates for violent crimes against men committed by a misandrist woman? I wonder if any men have had acid thrown on their face for refusing to marry a woman? I guess that would be pretty hard considering the social norm is for the man to ask the woman, but still. I wonder, what are the rates of men losing their jobbecause their girlfriend harassed them at work? Of course these things can happen to men, but do they happen often?

I think there needs to be the realization that most women don't just hate men for no reason; they hate them because all of their experiences with them have been terrible. After a while, you just lose hope, which is not right, but completely understandable. I think at this point, we should treat the gash in our wrists before we treat the paper-cut on our finger. When there is an equal number of innocent men (straight white men, who do the most complaining about misandry) being raped (by women), harassed, manipulated, tortured, and acid-scarred by women, then I think misandry should be up for serious discussion.

Men and Women are people, and as such, we are both prone to the lust for power, to the self-important, holier-than-thou attitude that leads us to believe our duty is to dole out judgement and punishment. It's just a matter of history that shows us that at this particular time in our evolution, men have a little more to work on than women. In 20,000 years, it will probably be the other way around. It doesn't mean that women as a whole are better then men, or the opposite. Thats just how things have panned out up till this point in time, and the great thing about being human is having the resources to fix it.

If I could say one thing to men it would be, instead of trying to argue us out of our suspicions about you, just prove us wrong. Just approach us with kindness and understanding, show us that you aren't trying to hurt us. It's certainly a lot less work than trying to manipulate us or force us to like you.

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Originally posted by celticdog
If you listen to comedians(male) they dis their own gender that women are smarter. If you are married your stuff is regulated to the garage. Your stuff is no good and is thrown out. Less closet space. who is the one who gets the honey do list. You have fight this to save your sanity. why do men want a man cave to have peace. Men are conditioned to take this without a word.

It seems that you have been conditioned to take this without a word. I don't really know anyone that lives like that.

he's right to a degree, we are conditioned by society to just slog it out and shut up about it, and that is why we need a man cave or a drink at the pub, for many of us its all we have besides family and work time. My wife always complains i do more than she does socially, i only play basketball once a week, i work 50 hours a week and im with my son for pretty much the rest of the time, when i have a weekend, its the families weekend, not mine. i might get a few hours one evening or night if i book it in advance, but im usually at home cause im too tired to do anything. Twice a week my 3 yr old son goes to daycare, and he's there from the start of the morning till about 5 in the afternoon, my wife has 2 whole days where she literally has 10 hours to herself, i never get a few hours to myself let alone 2 days a week.

Being a proper resposible family man is not an easy task, you have to sacrifice much of what you would like to do for the greater good of the family, as as a female does when she becomes a mother. I guess both sexes are expected to put up and shut up with a fair few things when you become a family, the thing is hardly anybody prepares you for how intense it can be and how much things change.

I think both sexes need to be more empathetic to eachothers issues, but the problem i think is we are often so far removed from eachothers situation that its hard to see where your partener is coming from and vice versa

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


Actually I don't take it but it always creeps back in. My wife will say to me on my day off honey cut the grass as she goes off to work. I will not cut the grass I will do something else but no way in hell will I cut the grass just because she told me too. She hasn't got the point yet after all these years. That is what I mean by a constant fight to keep your space and boundaries. Women love to take charge. I watch my daughter and other girls play with the boys in the play ground. The girls order the boys around a lot. I think it is in their genes to be bossy these days. Time to crack another beer I guess.

My thoughts are that this idea is virtually without merit. The first thing that stuck out was the poster of the women with the "Twilight Moms" sign and the accompanying assertion that men would never be permitted to do the same? Really? Is modern civilization anything but older men coveting young women ... girls? What do you suspect is the average age for models in "men's magazines?" What were the Pussycat Dolls? Why were Jenny McCarthy, Carmen Electra and thousands of other young females all about? They weren't only young girls that were buying/watching/emulating these celebrities. What are strip clubs and the related societal normalization of them? Every seen porn on the Internet? You can find anything you want, but I'd allege young women with men older than them is the default.

I agree with the CaticusMaximus almost entirely that this is all a rejection of the beginning of what the maligned feminist movement was/is all about, at its core. We see the same reaction in modern white people who are rediscovering racism because blacks (and other minorities) are portrayed or appear to be societal equals, so now we can start pushing back and trying to get our stuff back from them ... maybe we gave - them - too much.

There's likely a significant influence of the tough economics time now that is supporting these ideas.

But the fact is, women still make, on average (which says a lot as women are just under 50% of the workforce), at least 10% less than a man who does the same job with the same skills and qualifications. Women are still victimized at notable levels because of their gender and for no other reason. Despite all the men who will volunteer how much they help out around the house, women still do profoundly more household management and child rearing, often with full-time jobs. Unfortunately, these women will still raise many boys who will become men who will continue to take issue with how far a woman's place in society has come - just like how women bosses often pay their own female subordinates less than their men subordinates. The problem is not an individual's problem. It's much bigger than that.

Like racism, sexism and misogyny are institutionalized phenomena. The thing is, they are worldwide, timeless phenomenon that are found in almost all cultures, which naturally stems from the physical differences between men and women. At some point, our brains may reach a level where wisdom can overpower natural instinct, but it seems doubtful.

As history has shown, it is almost impossible for people to willingly, long-term relinquish power. It's just counter-intuitive and seemingly ingrained in our instinct. Often, we have no idea we are perpetuating it even when we are. Nevertheless, fear of losing power is just ... fear.

In the immortal words of Yoda: "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

And the beat goes on.

It isn't Females I Attack it's the Communist / Marxist sexism called Feminism

I like women!

I Like Femininity!

I hate Feminism!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by FyreByrd

 

Actually equal pay for equal work already exists. When you factor in things like length of time in the workforce, positions etc, women make the same as men do now.

The stats about gender gap in pay is very overblown.

ETA:

Myth 1: Women get less pay for equal work. The spurious assertion that women are paid 77 cents for a man’s wage dollar comes from comparing the earnings of all full-time men with those of all full-time women.

The comparison is bogus, for two reasons. First, it lumps together men and women who work different numbers of hours — any hours above 35 hours per week. On average, full-time women work fewer hours than full-time men, often because they prefer it.

When comparisons are made between men and women who work 40 hours per week, women make 87% of men’s earnings, according to the Labor Department. For men and women who work 30 to 34 hours a week, women make more, 109% of men’s earnings.

Second, the gap claim averages for each gender earnings from many and disparate vocations. For example, it averages women who work as social workers with men who work as investment bankers; female elementary school teachers with male engineers; and male loggers with female administrative assistants.

Source

~Tenth

edit on 6/27/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

If you read my post carefully I said, not equal work, but work of similar value to the company. And two - women often need to work less hours so that they can go home - do the shopping, pick up the kids, make dinner, do laundry, clean, etc. etc.

Your source is inaccurate by way of looking at the data only in order to get to a specific (probably written by a PR firm) conclusion. Given time, I can do the same thing.

In fact our OP didn't use his/her source because 'it said things' she didn't us to see that didn't support her/his argument.

So this brings me to this OP - not a lot to show for 8 months of work - no backup sources, no scope of discussion (not that we'd stay within a given scope), more a rant then anything else. But it did hit a nerve, gets flags and stars and attention so it's great.

There has been much scholarly work done in this area. Reasoned work without resort to sensationalism or attempting to stir controversy.

The best expositions of male and female power, it's history, causes and influence are:

1) "The Chalice and the Blade" by Rianne Eisler - brilliant work. She is working on the solution, The Partnership Society, as we speak and has been for decades.

and (a theory I prefer actually), written by a man and one of the best books I've ever read - reads like an adverture:

2) "The Alphabet and the Goddess" by Leonard Shlain


Read this before believing, as our OP seems to, that there is an organized (by who, for what purpose, who makes money) conspiracy to hate men. I really don't get what the OP is all about actually. Is it that women hate man - some do some don't. Or that we are being trained to hate men. That society hates men.

Anyway, I encourage, those who really want to explore the intracaies of male/female interaction and power struggles to start with these two books.

Remember that History - has largely been written by OLD WHITE MEN and cannot be taken as act when it comes to the female experience. It is only in the last century that women have gotten any voice at all.

Oh there is a fun book by Michael Moore calley "Stupid White Men" - quite a hoot written by a self-styled stupid white man.