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posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 11:55 PM
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ADMIN NOTE: The authorship of this piece has never been confirmed to be from anyone, and originated as an email meme in February of 2013. In addition, upon inspection, only one of the points are actually true.
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So this was attributed to Jeff Foxworthy, and that is incorrect.

OK

The, "founded by geniuses and run by idiots" , may be inflammatory and offensive to some, especially supporters of the current administration .

Fair enough.


The issues raised are more complex than a one liner.



But,


I have to say that, with my own eyes, I've seen far more than ONE, of these statements to be true.

and

I am not politically motivated.......




posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 12:04 AM
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dusty1
The, "founded by geniuses and run by idiots" , may be inflammatory and offensive to some, especially supporters of the current administration .

-meh-
I support no one.




I have to say that, with my own eyes, I've seen far more than ONE, of these statements to be true.

Which ones? The only one I can find is the TSA issue.

I can understand how some people would feel affect toward the intent of the statements, and thus believe them to be true. But truth is more important than feelings when it comes to the issues of our time.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Nucleardiver
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The thing is that We The People are their bosses and therefore we can lawfully fire them all. It is not only our right but our duty to do so when the government has become destructive to the people.


.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness


The problem is that people are more worried about having their internet and new I Phones, watching the Kardashians and Dancing With The Stars than they are about the future of our nation. Until people become vigilant of the tyranny in government and make securing their liberties more important than their evening entertainment we will continue to decline.

Nothing would make me happier than to have 5 million people or even 20 million people show up in DC and demand the immediate resignation of about 90% of the politicians there. That scenario would be much better than what is sure to happen if we don't.



LOL.. I would love to be there when it happens!! Can you imagine the scope of damage that 5 million people would cause to Washington when they refuse to step down.. Riots unlike anything the world has ever seen. At first I believe it would be peaceful but knowing how our government is it would soon turn ugly, and they would all be out one way or another. I doubt it would ever get to happen though.... when the NSA discovers through our phone, email and text records that we would amass like that TPTB would either flee or try to order drone strikes.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 12:38 AM
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I for one do not care who the author of this piece is, this is funny stuff. We live in an age where everyone worries about being PC, sometimes we just need to laugh at ourselves.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 01:19 AM
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If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for entering and remaining in the country illegally


I used to hunt, now I don't have time. I'm very familiar with illegal immigration. We did work for a police officer who once said that on a traffic stop, if it was suspected that the motorist, having no drivers license and here illegally, the officers were instructed to just let them go. It was too big of a hassle.

My industry has been greatly impacted by illegal immigration. One company I worked for as a subcontractor used the issue to get us to lower our prices to stay "competitive".

I now have my own company and I am faced with the issue, I could make more money, If I look the other way. A friend of mine uses illegals, but with "proper" paperwork.

An associate, that does background checks, said that a huge issue right now, is multiple uses of US born infant's social security numbers, by illegals.

My friend Martha, here illegally, her family was taken advantage of by greedy businesses.

Deportation? Don't make me laugh.

The powers that be, look the other way in many cases, because of greed.





If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion


I counted 14 states that do.

That number will grow.

Plan B Pill

It is a national issue and the federal government is eager to push this agenda.




If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for who runs the government


I am not involved in politics.

There have been cases of people voting more than once in a single election. It happens.




If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt


So the United States is canceling this aid to Egypt?





If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat


I resemble that remark.

This legislation was proposed.

The "HOAX" commentary was dated before the ban was narrowly struck down.


Published: March 23, 2013 ON narrow technical grounds, a New York State court recently rejected Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s proposed curbs on large sodas and other sugary drinks. The ruling is being appealed, but many people who viewed the proposal as a step down a slippery slope to a nanny state were quick to celebrate the court’s move


This issue drips with irony.




If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.


Skeptic Overlord, at least we'll always have Paris....... and the TSA.






If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more


I'm more 60/40 on this in favor of the true side.




If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is “cute,”


Did he get thrown out or not?



If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones


Can I include sports stadiums built for billionaires?

Hard working people get taxed heavily. Don't get me started on the Lead Paint Certification scam for people in unrelated types of work.....

I know people gaming the system. I'll call him Bill. Dirt cheap health care, free room and board, works for cash and doesn't pay taxes. He has more disposable income than I do.

I'm all for helping people that need it, but votes are bought from the rich and the poor by government officials.

If people were honest and fair, life would be better.





If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found


Shipping jobs over seas with no repercussions and illegal immigration along with supply and demand helped create this mess.

Big Government looked the other way......



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 01:33 AM
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If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage



Gotta love the Short Sale.....

I have friends that have gone bankrupt multiple times.

Nice vacations to.




If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself makes you more “safe” according to the government



I have no political axe to grind, and was raised to avoid violence but,


Gun Free Zones?

The current US administration is making a big push on this issue.





How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America



God allows governments to exist.

He allows the rain to fall, and the sun to shine, on the wicked and the righteous.......

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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 02:00 AM
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You have taken quite the interest in this case. Can´t have people calling the government "ìdiots" on your site without officially distancing yourself and the image of the site from it, now can we.

I can also take your post apart and show that almost every point made was correct in a way. In any case it portrays the general sentiment and even if it was not correct directly it is not a deliberate attempt to mislead, it is not a hoax.

You sound like some government spin doctor when you nitpick a post like that.







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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
People... the opening post is nearly complete rubbish!

Why are you taking this at face value?

See this post, only two of the points can be confirmed to be actually true. It's just insane partisan attention-getting propaganda!


Yes people come on, SkepticOverlord has repeatedly told you what to think, if you don't fall in line now, every member that read this thread and didn't star at least one of SO's posts will be banned.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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Dear SkepticOverlord,

I must confess I've never given you much thought. I saw you as a (more or less) benevolent dictator trying to run a tight ship and make some money. But your posts in this thread cause me a great deal of confusion. I don't recall you, or any of the Mods going after an OP as you've done here. Things have simply gone to the Hoax bin or been deleted. Here, you seem to pick a fight based on questionable reasoning and then seem amazed that no one agrees with you. I would like, but don't expect, a better explanation than that offered so far.

For example, the field trip - abortion issue. As you point out, there are states where this is true. One for OP.

ID and voting. You agree that the nation was founded by geniuses, the OP simply mentions that in our society today it is idiotic to not show an ID for voting. You may not agree with voting ID, but it's not clearly false. Two for OP.

F-16's to Egypt. Maybe the order was initiated before the change in leadership, but when were they actually given to Egypt? Three for OP.

Sugary drinks. For a time, and unless the court had stepped in, they were banned. But you're right, that the ban didn't go into effect. But still the city said you couldn't buy them in an 8-1 vote. Four for OP.

You gave the ATS one to the OP. Five for OP.

Trillions in debt. The government has said that QE and increased government spending would help restart the economy, put people back to work, and the increase in taxable income and investment would eventually reduce the debt. But you go 50/50 on this one, so we can't really call it a lie. Six for OP.

A kid calling a teacher cute. But, as you noted, he was suspended. The fact that this District later decided it was the wrong thing to do, doesn't negate that it happened. Besides, the OP never stated that it was harassment. Seven for OP.

Working versus not working and benefits. The idea that the "general welfare" clause is dealing with social programs is not one that has found much acceptance in the legal community. Federal social programs were severely frowned on for at least our first hundred years. Benefits for not working are not automatic, you have to apply for them, and some require you be unemployed to get them. Whether it's reasonable to pay more taxes it isn't too persuasive when you say they go "to support the infrastructure that provides for success." What do roads and bridges have to do with unemployment benefits? Eight for OP.

Increasing unemployment benefits not a plan for putting people to work. Nancy Pelosi thought so when she said, in 2010, it would create 600,000 jobs. The CBO thought so, in 2012, when they said it would add 300,000 jobs. Nine for OP.

Guns. The government does say that getting guns off the streets will make us safer. To get guns off the streets, that means the right to carry will have to be eliminated. The OP isn't claiming it's happened, just that the government thinks it does. Which it does. Ten for OP.

I think I forgot one, but I'm not going to go back to look for it, you can have it.

Points that can be reasonably debated, as these can, aren't clearly false, therefore, not eligible for the Hoax bin. I'm still curious. What's really going on with you and this thread?

With respect,
Charles1952
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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 08:30 AM
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So can we assume that the consequences of not distancing oneself and the site from threads with titles like these are worse than showing the membership what a shameless tyrannical dictator you are?

Is it that bad?



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 08:42 AM
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Maybe i have missed the point ere but i can't quite seem to grasp why this is in the HOAX bin...

Unless you are walking with your eyes wide shut, the OP doesn't seem like much of a hoax to me...



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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GreatestOfAllTime
Can´t have people calling the government "ìdiots" on your site without officially distancing yourself and the image of the site from it, now can we.

Over the top absurd.

Truth and accuracy have no import with you?



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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First let me make one thing painfully clear -- I despise, with a passion, what the US federal government and it's representatives have turned into. There is not one national-level politician worthy of my positive comments, much less respect.

But what I despise even more is partisan hackery, and this piece is a prime example of the worst of it.

And it saddens me that our ATS members are not seeing this hack-job for what it is, a tool of the government. It serves their purpose incredibly well to have the voting populace nearly equally divided into hate-camps. This keeps "the conversation" focused on how much "we" hate those socialist liberals or those fascist conservatives, and not on sane and sober solutions to real problems, which always require some mixture of both conservative and liberal ideals.

Crap such as represented in the opening post circulates emotionally phrased partisan snippets that sound so good to one side, they must be true... and then the hate-filled finger pointing gets even more muddled with ridiculousness.



dusty1
I'm very familiar with illegal immigration.

But that first statement had nothing to do with the real issues of illegal immigration, it only mentions crossing the border. And if someone is caught crossing the border illegally, they're in trouble. I can't stand the thought of roll-over amnesty for this now in the country illegally... but that is a different issue than what the hack-piece mentioned.
The original statement is not true.



I counted 14 states that do.

We don't know if the number will grow. There is indeed pushback.
But again, the original statement is not true.



There have been cases of people voting more than once in a single election. It happens.

Again, the hack piece is twisting things around to create emotional responses. Yes, this is a problem. But the hack piece cannot both call the founding fathers geniuses and state that the lack of voter ID is the result of idiots.



So the United States is canceling this aid to Egypt?

Should anyone renege on a commitment or contract. Point being, when the commitment was made, the political landscape was different.


And the statement about the drinks in NYC is also not true. And more importantly, is not a national issue as implied by the hack piece.



I'm more 60/40 on this in favor of the true side.

But the statement was about debt reduction, it can't be true. A small part of the strategy behind Quantitative Easing is to examine federal revenue after the economy improves, and consider a more balanced budget. But the primary goal is economic recovery.



Did he get thrown out or not?

No, he was not expelled. The school administrator who did it resigned and admitted he was wrong. And also, this was not a national issue -- instead, a bizarre local issue related to the actions of one twisted person.



If people were honest and fair, life would be better.

If only.
So to that point, why don't you demand that the political conversation include honest opinion pieces, rather than dishonest hack jobs that benefit the "powers that be"?



Shipping jobs over seas with no repercussions and illegal immigration along with supply and demand helped create this mess.

Sure. But the statement is false. It's an outright lie to suggest that the "gub'ment" felt extending unemployment benefits would put people back to work.




If anyone takes the time to look at my history of commentary regarding the horrid state of this country because of the partisan loathing being fueled, fostered, and manipulated by those in power, you'll realize my dislike of this is in line with my own aversion to the system.

Crap like this is a manipulative trap... and it pains me to see ATS members caught in it.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

GreatestOfAllTime
Can´t have people calling the government "ìdiots" on your site without officially distancing yourself and the image of the site from it, now can we.

Over the top absurd.

Truth and accuracy have no import with you?


First off, as pointed out by others, your breakdown of the points made is based on your opinion and at some points dependant on the time they were written. Even if they were not completely correct, the points made surely reflect a situation that can't be denied, you even admit the situation is bad.

Second, you have every right to "debunk" the points made but you should have left it with that, there is no reason to put this in hoax.

Third, you would have never responded if it weren't for the blatant insult of the government in the title, because we would see you doing this in every other thread with alleged non factual claims.

You would not have responded if the author had used only examples that were a 100% correct in your eyes? Or would you still have called it partisan rubbish just because it opposes the current administration?




But what I despise even more is partisan hackery, and this piece is a prime example of the worst of it.


Really? So you feel that this kind of rethoric is indicative of a supporter of a specific party, and not the sentiment of many citizens, regardless of their allegiance?

That's quite a partisan thing to state. Looks like you are trying to make this a partisan issue.




And it saddens me that our ATS members are not seeing this hack-job for what it is, a tool of the government.


Well thank god we have you to guide us, time and time again, wether we like it or not, if need be by force.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. That's all it is.




It serves their purpose incredibly well to have the voting populace nearly equally divided into hate-camps. This keeps "the conversation" focused on how much "we" hate those socialist liberals or those fascist conservatives, and not on sane and sober solutions to real problems, which always require some mixture of both conservative and liberal ideals.


Funny that only you are talking about partisan issues.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 10:55 AM
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We don't know if the number will grow. There is indeed pushback. But again, the original statement is not true.


This is the original statement,




If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion


Is this not the case in some states of the USA? It is? Then the statement is true. It is not false anyway.




Again, the hack piece is twisting things around to create emotional responses. Yes, this is a problem. But the hack piece cannot both call the founding fathers geniuses and state that the lack of voter ID is the result of idiots.


Why not? This merely your opinion.




Should anyone renege on a commitment or contract. Point being, when the commitment was made, the political landscape was different.


Are the people they made the commitment with still in power? If not, there is no commitment.

Just to adress a few.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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GreatestOfAllTime
Third, you would have never responded if it weren't for the blatant insult of the government in the title, because we would see you doing this in every other thread with alleged non factual claims.

A little easy research prevents the jerking of the knee...
The Tea Party Is Over - The conspiracy to kill a grass roots political movement
The Growing White House Email Conspiracy
We, ATS Members, Must Focus On Politics



You would not have responded if the author had used only examples that were a 100% correct in your eyes?

Correct.


Or would you still have called it partisan rubbish just because it opposes the current administration?

Absolutely not. Don't you think something that is based in fact, has no embellishment, and hits the points hard is a much more effective opposition?



So you feel that this kind of rethoric is indicative of a supporter of a specific party,

It's dripping in right wing.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 11:08 AM
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A little easy research prevents the jerking of the knee...


So you have posted in political threads before to show your disapproval of certain situations. How does that equate to throwing a thread in the hoax section based on your opinion alone?

Like I pointed out before, it is not your opinion itself or the expression of it that is the problem here.




Absolutely not. Don't you think something that is based in fact, has no embellishment, and hits the points hard is a much more effective opposition?


To me it seems you had a problem with this thread, then found a way to nitpick the op to justify your actions.




It's dripping in right wing.


....ok.....




And it saddens me that our ATS members are not seeing this hack-job for what it is, a tool of the government. It serves their purpose incredibly well to have the voting populace nearly equally divided into hate-camps. This keeps "the conversation" focused on how much "we" hate those socialist liberals or those fascist conservatives


.................


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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 11:29 AM
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But what I despise even more is partisan hackery, and this piece is a prime example of the worst of it.


Where, in that whole post, does it say this is aimed at Democrats or Republicans? How is it partisan, when it is criticizing government in general? Just to be clear, I don't belong to either party. I'm more of a "right man/woman for the job" kinda guy. Do I have a problem with the current administration? Well, yes, I do. I had a problem with Bush too, but I didn't belong to ATS at the time, or I would have been just as critical. I got tired of the Blame Bush attitude of Obama, simply because he is in power and if he didn't like what Bush did, he could have made changes. He didn't. This was not an attempt to divide anyone, it was pointing out the idiocies of elected officials, who are supposed to be helping us.
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posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 11:51 AM
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I can not agree more. But my question is why is it in the hoax forum?? It speaks totally of the truth. I can personally agree with a few on there. Seeing illegals in a grocery store with diamond rings, hair done, by a stylist, full set of acrylic nails, and paying with WIC and food stamps. then taking their groceries to their new Cadilliac Escalade. Meanwhile, if you are down on your luck, lost your job, and can't even go to the food pantry, because you made too much.

I just wonder how all the americans who get billed 2,500 for not having a job that offers health insurance, how they are gonna handle it? It kind of reminds me of the commercial of the elderly people who have to make the decision, do I get my prescriptions, or do I buy food??

I figured out a while ago, to attain the American dream means, more money you have to pay. However, if you don't want the American dream, the gov't pays you......

All the problems we have in the states, and other areas, just because of a piece of paper made of lint. It's just madness I tell you madness.

S & F, and applause, if I knew how to do the applause thing.......Keep bringing the truth.



posted on Jun, 27 2013 @ 12:50 PM
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Dear SkepticOverlord,

I realize that one member's opinion doesn't count for much among the quarter of a million members. (Congratulations on that, by the way. I thought there was going to be a bigger to-do over it.) And I'm certainly not one of the stars, but let me offer it anyway.

I really wish this thread had been deleted without comment. Now that you're pretty much committed to it, I don't see a clear win. The second round of explanations as to the falsity of the claims didn't really achieve much. In fact, in my mind, we're worse off.

I can understand that you didn't care to work off my points, the charges were coming at you fast and furious, but when I mentioned that the Congressional Budget Office and the Democratic Leader of the House both announce that extended unemployment benefits will add hundreds of thousands of jobs, it's surprising to see you write:

It's an outright lie to suggest that the "gub'ment" felt extending unemployment benefits would put people back to work.
I don't think it's an outright lie. I wouldn't have written if I had. Do you need more sources?

Another odd comment of yours was your belief that

sane and sober solutions to real problems, which always require some mixture of both conservative and liberal ideals.
I suppose you believe that, and many people do, but there are serious scholars on both the Left and the Right who believe we need a more progressive or conservative government, not one more in the middle. I'm surprised that you seem to want to shut off speculation that those scholars might be right.

And yet again:

Absolutely not. Don't you think something that is based in fact, has no embellishment, and hits the points hard is a much more effective opposition?
No, and most politicians don't either. For that matter most threads don't accept that position.

Why else do gun control arguments have the President talking about Newtown in front of a bunch of little kids? You probably remember Paul Ryan's budget plan. The big problem with that wasn't that it was worse than the President's plan, it was significantly better. The problem was there was no embellishment, it was boring. Remember the Matthew Shepard anti-gay-hate act? Shepard's name was put in it to elicit sympathy and support. Nobody liked mentioning that he wasn't killed because he was gay, his story was too good as an "embellishment."

Once more, if you please.

Crap such as represented in the opening post circulates emotionally phrased partisan snippets that sound so good to one side, they must be true... and then the hate-filled finger pointing gets even more muddled with ridiculousness.
I expect the closure, as hoaxes, of about half of the Arab-Israeli threads under that rule.


And please forgive me for mentioning it, but you had enough on your plate without entering into peripheral areas:

How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America!

No thanks.


There is not one national-level politician worthy of my positive comments, much less respect.


It's dripping in right wing.


As I said, I don't expect an explanation, but I am surprised and confused. This is a side of you I didn't expect.

With respect,
Charles1952

P.s. I just notice that the thread has 36 flags and the OP has 41 stars. I know the correctness of an opinion is not measured by it's popularity (we've got Obama again, after all), but certainly the show of support indicates that there is a real issue here.

Would you consider moving this to Political Madness, removing the references to "Hoax," but leaving your objections in? That might satisfy everybody. - C -
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