DOMA Ruled Unconstitutional by Supreme Court

reply to post by colbe


For once could you stop quoting your bible and rather give us your sources for what you state as fact such as "Most homosexuals and those that support the gay-agenda, which by the way doesn't exist, are in favour of abortion" If it is fact you must have sources which you an supply us with!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


This means that married gay people in states that approve gay marriage will now get federal benefits that they have previously been denied.

Woo-Hoo!

edit on 6/26/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

Why should married people get benefits to begin with?

I have said it a million times, the whole gay marriage debate is not even about marriage- it is about benefits. Married people get tax breaks that non married people can not get. Married people get insurance benefits. You can get all types of cool perks just for being married. Even in the military, a married person gets more pay then a non married person.

It amuses me how people cheer this decision from the court. I believe in equality. I believe people should be able to marry what ever or who ever they want- and should not have to seek permission from the State to do so, (which is exactly what a marriage license is), however i can't cheer the courts decision. There is no "woo hoo" from me, because the real issue has once again been ignored.

reply to post by MrWendal


I agree.

And we need to remember that "benefits" always come at the expense of somebody else.

That may be discriminatory.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


That law was indeed an abomination. That may well have been the hand of providence that acted through morally debased, lunatic judges to wipe DOMA from the face of the earth. But it was not an abomination for reasons typically touted by the punditry. It offended God and offended man because it put into action the radical and mistaken notion that the institution of marriage somehow needs the protection of Big Brother.  This is a grave and most serious error.

Of course, a lot of children are going to suffer terribly until people slowly but eventually realize that homosexual unions, no matter how you dress them up, are just a bad idea.  It will take a lot of heartache and ruined lives, and far too much wasted time, but it will finally come into the light someday that homosexuals playing house is not going to be the rose garden the advocates of such an endeavor think it will be. But neither side in this argument really cared about children to begin with, other than the fact that the abstract concept of “the children” is always a good one for rousing your own contingent of the rabble. But until yesterday we were really truly teetering on the edge of an abyss, and were about to plunge into an Orwellian darkworld of ultimate government control that not even the ancient and sacred institution of the human family would be free of.  The last thing this already screwed-up world needs are powerful and complex laws that “protect” the human family.

Both sides, the DOMA nutcases and the marry-anything-you-want maniacs, are really just two heads of the same serpent. The gay rights movement would never have gotten as far as it has, and nobody in their right mind would have even considered a wicked law like DOMA, if in our particular time and country we had all not been suffering from the same disease: the spreading cancer of an overweening government, the tentacles of which are slipping their way through all the fissures and channels that have been caused by human folly in the edifice of our once glorious republic.

Writers like Orwell knew what people were capable of, both the good and the bad. Although he did not know exactly how a Big Brother state would come about (he was convinced it could be carried out with mind-control drugs), he sat down to write is famous book in order to warn us that such a monstrosity is always just around the corner in this modern world. We need to put the brakes on big government before this kind of thing happens again.

Love should expand beyond humans, how about my favorite pet? I should have the right to marry my German Shepherd too?
It's a shame on how this country turns away from God each month. I wonder what the founding fathers have to say. What a perverted government we have now. The socialist liberals are taking over the country and modifying our constitution. Now states like MD, NY, CA take away your right to bear arms and conceal carry. And call this DOMA constitutional? Ha got to be kiddin... Government takes away what threaten them most and while giving other none essentials rights to others to satisfy the sheep.

I don't need those who read my post to agree with what I said but few will do.

This is great news!

I have been thinking about becoming gay for quite some time now, but with the
stigma attached to it I just wasn't sure it was the right choice

Now I just have to figure out how to stop being attracted to women....and start being attracted
to men,

If one of you gay people could help me out....How do I do it?...Should I concentrate on Brad Pitt's
butt, or what? Paint a mustache on my favorite poster of Catherine Zeta Jones? Stare at a
rainbow while wearing expensive shoes???

reply to post by KeliOnyx


Just to elaborate on my previous answer...

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I don't disagree in principle. But polygamy would make the legal system a nightmare, because for all intents and purposes legally it isnt just one spouse taking another, it is both spouses taking in another spouse.

I think (in the case of Mormon "plural marriage" or any polygamous situation), a person should be permitted to take one legal spouse. Then the following spouses would only be in a religious or non-secular sense. That's how Kody Brown's marriages are.

The only legal marriage is between Kody and his first wife, Meri, and the others' marriages are considered spiritual unions.

But since he lives as a polygamist, the government got involved and investigated him for bigamy, even though he wasn't legally married to his other wives. Seems simple cohabitation and living as husband and wife is illegal, even if it's consensual.

Originally posted by rival
This is great news!
I have been thinking about becoming gay for quite some time now, but with the
stigma attached to it I just wasn't sure it was the right choice
Now I just have to figure out how to stop being attracted to women....and start being attracted
to men,

You are better off asking one of those straight males who insist that being gay is a choice. They obviously made their's at some point.

I have no perspective on the issue, myself...being straight came naturally.

Originally posted by rival
This is great news!

I have been thinking about becoming gay for quite some time now, but with the
stigma attached to it I just wasn't sure it was the right choice

Now I just have to figure out how to stop being attracted to women....and start being attracted
to men,

If one of you gay people could help me out....How do I do it?...Should I concentrate on Brad Pitt's
butt, or what? Paint a mustache on my favorite poster of Catherine Zeta Jones? Stare at a
rainbow while wearing expensive shoes???

You don't have to be gay to be married to the same sex. Gay people have been getting married to opposite sex couples for as long as marriage has been a thing.

reply to post by Yurimaster


You want to marry your dog? Cool! Hope you have a wonderful life together but first you will have to start a movement as the gay people did, stand up for your rights as the gay people did, march in the streets, carry a banner, be prepared to be spat on, attacked by bullies, chased down streets, hated, petition your governor/senator/congessman, fight for your rights for many many years then maybe you will have the right to follow-up on your stupid argument and marry your dog! Please let us all know how you fare!

Originally posted by Yurimaster
Love should expand beyond humans, how about my favorite pet? I should have the right to marry my German Shepherd too?
It's a shame on how this country turns away from God each month. I wonder what the founding fathers have to say. What a perverted government we have now. The socialist liberals are taking over the country and modifying our constitution. Now states like MD, NY, CA take away your right to bear arms and conceal carry. And call this DOMA constitutional? Ha got to be kiddin... Government takes away what threaten them most and while giving other none essentials rights to others to satisfy the sheep.

I don't need those who read my post to agree with what I said but few will do.

edit on 27-6-2013 by Yurimaster because: (no reason given)

If your German Shepard can demonstrate an understanding of the civil contract he would have to sign in order for you to be legally bound, then I would absolutely support your fight for legal recognition.

reply to post by MrWendal


Get married to yourself, mate.

Seriously, I totally believe that this should be an option. If the legal benefits of marriage come at the expense of having to be legally bound to another, then your ability to be legally bound to yourself, to the exclusion of all others for as long as your self-binding is in effect, should be recognized.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Let the moral fabric of this country continue to unwind.

If all it takes for the "moral fabric" of the country to "unwind" is treating people equal, then you don't have any moral fabric left to unwind.

Now that this is nearly cleared up, perhaps you can all start to focus on more important arguments that ACTUALLY AFFECT YOU as an individual.

Well, the end of the earth didn't happen.
Lightning bolts didn't shoot from the skies.
Volcanoes didn't erupt.
The moon didn't come out of orbit.


Just let people be people. Let them worship whom they want. Let them love whom they want. Let them marry whom they want.

Let them live how they want to live.

As long as it's not going to infringe on any of my rights or freedoms, I could give a poop!

reply to post by MrWendal

Originally posted by MrWendal
Why should married people get benefits to begin with?

Originally, it was probably because married people contribute more to the stability of the society. Also, only one person worked and supported the other and any children that resulted. Married people are more likely to buy homes, keep jobs, all things the government wants to encourage. Maybe that doesn't all apply today, but it's a holdover from earlier times.

I have said it a million times, the whole gay marriage debate is not even about marriage- it is about benefits.

For some, yes, it is. For others, it's about equal treatment. And for others it's about making a public and binding commitment. I have said it a million times, gay people do not think with one brain. Each couple has their own reasons for marrying, just as we do.

however i can't cheer the courts decision. There is no "woo hoo" from me, because the real issue has once again been ignored.

I honestly think there will come a time when the nation agrees with you and we get the government out of marriage, but that's another battle.

reply to post by Yurimaster

Originally posted by Yurimaster
I wonder what the founding fathers have to say.

Well, considering they owned slaves and didn't give women equal rights, I'm not sure I care what they would have to say. However...

Admittedly, the Founding Fathers did not advocate same-sex marriage--it wasn't an issue in 1776. Being a product of their times, when they wrote "All men are created equal," they meant all land-owning white males. But the Founding Fathers did believe in the equality of all citizens. Alexander Hamilton wrote that “I desire above all things to see the equality of political rights exclusive of all hereditary distinction firmly established by a practical demonstration of its being consistent with the order and happiness of society.” Now that (much to the GOP's dismay) being a land-owning white male isn't necessary in order to enjoy all of the rights enshrined in the Constitution, the Founding Fathers' precepts apply to LGBT citizens as well.

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Originally posted by Yurimaster
Love should expand beyond humans, how about my favorite pet? I should have the right to marry my German Shepherd too?
It's a shame on how this country turns away from God each month. I wonder what the founding fathers have to say. What a perverted government we have now. The socialist liberals are taking over the country and modifying our constitution. Now states like MD, NY, CA take away your right to bear arms and conceal carry. And call this DOMA constitutional? Ha got to be kiddin... Government takes away what threaten them most and while giving other none essentials rights to others to satisfy the sheep.

I don't need those who read my post to agree with what I said but few will do.

edit on 27-6-2013 by Yurimaster because: (no reason given)

You can't marry an animal as they are unable to understand a marriage spiritually nor contractrually. Not to mention the heartbreak you would experience when your german shepard cheats with the poodle down the street.

Turning from God is a freedom afforded to all people, but many never believed in him in the first place. One can not, nor should, force their beliefs upon others.

I am sure the founding fathers would be astonished, especially at the corruption of the government. All empires come to an end, whether it be by the wraith of a God, or by corruption from within. I would not wish either scenerio upon my friends, family or fellow citizens though.

another, the criminalization of homosexuality in African nations, another group that mostly votes democrat, in America, those of the Islamic faith.

Obama clashes with African host over gay rights
hosted.ap.org...

Senegal, one of many African countries that outlaw homosexuality.

Senegalese President Macky Sall rebuffed Obama's call for Africans to give gays equal rights under the law.

and yet another act flushing this country down the gutter, next they'll approve of trannies fooling straight men into relationships
No but in all seriousness, in response to the dude who says "the old testament has no place in today's world."
You can't be serious right, the old testament is one of the main sources keeping this chaotic world in order still.
Lo to babel how it will fall, and those seeking refuge within her. (i shall when it falls though )
Look for historical proof on sodom and gomorrah. They did exist, people fail to realize the old testament truly is ancient history, compare many of the stuff in there to historical events.
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Btw is that michael jackson at the lower right end of the photo? I knew he wasn't dead


Its a gay and hiv parade!

reply to post by Arolexion


I don't follow the Old Testament. At all. If my morality and anything in the Old Testament matches, it is completely coincidental. Nothing in the Old Testament has any bearing in my life, nor does any of your Gods.

Fear of God doesn't keep me ethical, respect for humanity does. If you need a religion to scare you into being a good person, I question your initial morality.