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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In reality, the republic came just 0.12% of all votes shy of picking "liberalism" (in your words).
That would have been interesting. Looking at this map,
it certainly seems to me that most of America is conservative.
(or at least anti-Kerry)
Kerry appealed to the pockets of liberalism in the big cities. If
Kerry had gotten in, he would have been VERY out of touch
with most of America.
[edit on 11/8/2004 by FlyersFan]
These maps are still very misleading as they only reflect county-wins, not popular vote. Calling a couty where Bush won by 2% "Bush Country" is not very accurate now is it? All these things do is shove more wedges into the divide.
Originally posted by Ethereal There is a lot of red - Bush won.
Originally posted by jrsdls
The main problem is that both sides distrust each other.
even your statement "If there was a complete, open, multi-partisan investigation into the whole vote fraud issue, and still came with those counts, then fine, 4 more years til we get a "fair" chance at freedom. But it seems the colors on the map were drawn in to suit whoever controlled the voting, then released as fact, "after the fact". " shows your partisan bent. what do you mean by "fair" chance at freedom? We have freedom now, you can leave the country anytime you want, you can leave any state, move anywhere you want. Is that not freedom? what you really mean is when do we libs get to have a chance to run America. It has nothing to do with fairness.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
First: understand the US is not a democracy, it's a republic.
National vote tally: 115,409,172
Ohio Bush victory margin: 136,483
If Ohio came in favoring Kerry, he would be the new president-elect. So, the margin of victory/loss is 0.11826% (rounded up to 0.12%) as a ratio of all votes cast on a national scale. (or 2.5% of all votes cast in Ohio)
A very slim margin of victory (or loss). Reviewing the national popular vote is an interesting excercise, but matters not at all for selecting the president.
Here’s an interesting little sidebar of our system of government confirmed recently by the crack Countdown research staff: no Presidential candidate’s concession speech is legally binding. The only determinants of the outcome of election are the reports of the state returns boards and the vote of the Electoral College.
Stories like these have filled the web since the tide turned against John Kerry late Tuesday night. But not until Friday did they begin to spill into the more conventional news media. That’s when the Cincinnati Enquirer reported that officials in Warren County, Ohio, had “locked down” its administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count there.
Suspicious enough on the face of it, the decision got more dubious still when County Commissioners confirmed that they were acting on the advice of their Emergency Services Director, Frank Young. Mr. Young had explained that he had been advised by the federal government to implement the measures for the sake of Homeland Security.
Gotcha. Tom Ridge thought Osama Bin Laden was planning to hit Caesar Creek State Park in Waynesville. During the vote count in Lebanon. Or maybe it was Kings Island Amusement Park that had gone Code-Orange without telling anybody. Al-Qaeda had selected Turtlecreek Township for its first foray into a Red State.
The State of Ohio confirms that of all of its 88 Counties, Warren alone decided such Homeland Security measures were necessary. Even in Butler County, reports the Enquirer, the media and others were permitted to watch through a window as ballot-checkers performed their duties. In Warren, the media was finally admitted to the lobby of the administration building, which may have been slightly less incommodious for the reporters, but which still managed to keep them two floors away from the venue of the actual count.
Nobody in Warren County seems to think they’ve done anything wrong. The newspaper quotes County Prosecutor Rachel Hurtzel as saying the Commissioners “were within their rights” to lock the building down, because having photographers or reporters present could have interfered with the count.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Good post jrsdls
But, unfortunatly....you're screaming into deaf ears on here.
Apparently only Republicans are capable of fraud.
Originally posted by Saerlaith
If there is a wide open, partisan and neutral, investigation,
and it comes up that the Kerry side cheated, I'll be more than happy to get over it.
So lets go! Show us losers how the conservatives represent all of amerika, not just one half
Kerry campaign officials and a range of election-law specialists agree that while machines made errors and long lines in Democratic precincts kept many voters away, there's no realistic chance that Kerry actually beat Bush.
''No one would be more interested than me in finding out that we really won, but that ain't the case," said Jack Corrigan, a veteran Kerry adviser who led the Democrats' team of 3,600 attorneys who fanned out across the country on Election Day to address voting irregularities.
''I get why people are frustrated, but they did not steal this election," Corrigan said. ''There were a few problems here and there in the election. But unlike 2000, there is no doubt that they actually got more votes than we did, and they got them in the states that mattered."