Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd, who will lead party - 26/6/2013

Originally posted by Archie

Originally posted by akushla99
'big business' are who decides?
Did your 'stock analysis' (I can never type that word without laughing) tell you this based on a Gillard led government?

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edit on 26-6-2013 by akushla99 because: (no reason given)

No, they base their forecasts on political analysis which comes ultimately from polls.

None of them have mentioned business plans in relation to a ALP-led government only a Liberal-led government.

Polls reflecting Gillard (Labour) versus Abbot (Liberal)...those polls would suggest a Liberal victory...as any forecaster or amateur clairvoyant could predict...

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It'll be a KRuddslide but Labor is severely tainted by this circus and, short of free beer in key electorates, all they'll manage is to make the election loss less of the decimation it'd be under Gillard.

And damn, they are interfering with my appreciation of the Origin match (another black mark from me) - Go Blues it's about time you found your feet again.

Originally posted by kudegras
It doesn't matter who's in power Labour or Liberal, they're all lying cheating scum. I cant stand Abbott, and I hated the condescending tone of Gillard, her over annunciating every word.
But KRudd is even worse, true he did win the 2007 election and Gillard stabbed in the back but it'll be pretty much the same people under Ruddy that have failed the country in the last few years.
I am a Labour voter from way back, but there is a dearth of talent in both parties.
Anyway lets face facts, Australia cannot compete with Asia in manufacturing because we all love our standard of living, the workers over there are working for jack squat. I dont want a paycut to compete. Do you?
That leaves us with importing goods, as its hard to export and compete against China and India.
So all the big players in OZ want to close down Aussie manufacturing and setup in Asia, Keating was right we have become a banana republic, the banks rake it in while the average aussies future is lining up for the dole queue.
How is Ruddy gonna fix that? I know Abbott wont be able to.

I feel so much the same. Neither of them will fix it because we are caught in the web of globalisation. As long as the business you work for continues to want to stay afloat and provide you with a job, it must compete and has to cut or freeze wages, casualise jobs, de-unionise etc. and the everyday bloke suffers. Totally agree. There doesn't seem to be a way out either.

Australia has not been allocated the manufacturing role because they can do it cheaper elsewhere. The role of Australia seems to be to provide professional services like lawyers, actuaries, engineers (to a lesser extent), sustainability professionals to multinationals. So work for a company that does something along those lines and you'll be right.

45 - 57 votes. Not a huge caucus swing for Rudd.

Rudd was knifed by Gillard originally due to the fact he was too close to China.

This didnt suit the USA ad NWO cronies.

They indstigated a coup lead by Mark Arbib (who was outed by Wikileaks as a CIA informant).

Dont you people find it coincedental that we have a very left leaning socialist primeminister (Gillard) at the same time as the USA has Obama which is very much the same?

Question now I have is this. Now that RUDD HAS WON, IF he wins the forthcoming eletion, he is still not in the3 USA's best interest, so look for the USA to get rid of him one way or another.

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Manufacturing is screwed, but there will be more and more warehouse, logistic and shipping jobs because we will still be importing left right and centre and will still need to move those goods around .
Which will be Christmas for all the labour hire companies but not so good for skilled workers having to compete for casual labour.
Banana republic here we come, whichever party wins the september election.

reply to post by Melbourne_Militia


He cant win Mate, Labour has become a rabble. It must be a Rabble if Abbott is the more popular pollie.
I might vote for the fat industrialist from up north, he's got Dougie Hawkins and Barry Michaels in his stable, he must be a sure thing.

well Rudd won, but seriously who cares, its not like anyone gets what they want, nor is it like we live in a democracy, nor is it like we are not under the power of a completely corrupt system. Too many weak minded spineless individuals gave the country away long ago, we/Australians just end up supporting those that have the biggest mouth and the biggest guns eg America/Amerisrael

Originally posted by kudegras
reply to post by Archie

 

Manufacturing is screwed, but there will be more and more warehouse, logistic and shipping jobs because we will still be importing left right and centre and will still need to move those goods around .
Which will be Christmas for all the labour hire companies but not so good for skilled workers having to compete for casual labour.
Banana republic here we come, whichever party wins the september election.

True! Let's hope their unions stay strong. That's such a threat under a Liberal government. They'll gut the unions and let's face it, there's not a lot left to gut.

When I first started in the workforce union membership was compulsory at the place I worked at and so you were forced to learn about unions and why they were important. It's a shame they've been tarred by a combination of smears and bad leadership. I doubt the people starting out in the workforce now have any understanding at all of how important unions are. They don't get that we have four weeks leave a year not because our boss likes us but because unions fought for it. Hardly anyone seems to remember that. Anyhow, I'll stop ranting now.

The unions are behind Rudd, or so I've heard.

ETA Fat bugger from up north is merely a device to split the vote - he's trying to get back at the Libs for laughing at him when he said he wanted to join.

A number of existing Labor ministers including the Deputy PM are now standing down, refusing to hold their portfolios under Mr KRudd. It's like watching a controlled demolition (or is that uncontrolled).

Conroy's GONE! CONROY!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!! I'm now officially celebrating

Rudd won the ballot by twelve votes.

All that we're waiting for now is if Gillard will serve the rest of the term, or if Krudd will be reinstated immediately.

Either way the turnstile leadership of labor has crippled them, and they have no way of being voted in again, unless some miracle happens.

I'm worried, Labor face a wipeout, and being in QLD I've seen what a labor wipe out 'can do'. No one to challenge liberal policies, selling off assets, etc. Now imagine that on a national scale.

EDIT: Wayne Swan, Stephen Conroy, Joe Ludwig and Craig Emerson have all resigned. I guess it's just a matter of time before we hear of Krudds reinstatement.

Originally posted by Archie
Conroy's GONE! CONROY!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!! I'm now officially celebrating

Right there with ya mate... Conroy has been a blight on Australian development.
So glad he is gone!

reply to post by Thecakeisalie


I believe the leadership change is immediate in these circumstances.

The problem in Oz is the majority of the voting public seem to think they're voting for the figurehead of their chosen party but those figureheads don't elect their own party members, the people do. What that means is virtually any donkey can get elected if they're campaigning under the right party banner in the right electorate. So yes, Labor will retain more seats under Krudd but at the expense of some far better candidates (for their electorates) simply because they were standing for the wrong party. Fortunately there's always a handful of independents who win to keep 'em honest.

i like rudd, i liked him when that bitch stole his position, i hope he wins the election, then we can start rebuilding the mess gillard left

reply to post by Sovaka


Next step is to wrangle power away from the greens.

Waaay too much left influence there.

reply to post by amraks


I really don't give a bugger, Both of them are owned by the NWO.

reply to post by amraks


My prediction on this thread all the way back in February.

A few months up to a month before the election, say around June-ish, it all comes apart at Labour camp. Gillard is ousted and Rudd placed back in power, or another hotshot the commoners relate to as a 'true Aussie battler,' something we all relate to Rudd, as he was and still is the underdog.

Everyone cheers, and votes Labour in for another term. Sometime after a year in 2014-2015, Rudd voluntarily steps down as leader, and the Labour party votes in a new leader. Doesn't matter who by then, the votes have been cast. In that time nothing will actually change, no removing current taxes, no making it easier on the people that just voted for them, and of course that's Labour's ultimate comeback. 'You willingly voted us in. Here's your medicine.'

That's my prediction, and a few friends and my old man said it would happen almost exactly like that also.

That was back in February...
What a prediction....

Anyhoo, enough of this crap, let's get back to the Maroons smashing the Blues again.

I know that she's said that she won't contest the next election. But I hope Gillard doesn't retire from public life altogether. I admire her combative performances in Parliament, the one especially where she mauled that creep Abbott during the Slipper debate, I've watched that a hundred times.

This is highly reminiscent of the day that Bob Hawke was brought in to take over the Labor leadership in order to improve their chances in the upcoming election, and it worked. We also had to endure the high interest rates etc that followed in those miserable Hawke/Keating years (the 80s) and the 'recession we had to have'.

I don't believe it - the Blues actually scored a try. The Maroons are highly energised tonight and even Gallen's fists haven't turned the tide this time round.