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Man faces 13 years in prison for writing in chalk outside bank!

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posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by Isittruee
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Real and substantial. From chalk? What kind of crazy permanent chalk was this?


So can I go to your house every day and write on it whatever I want for 6 months straight and you just have to wait for it to eventually wash off on it's own?




posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 03:21 AM
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This is madness - so he have to goto jail for 79 day's per dollar of the cleanup cost?
Isnt it just a little tough to start out with 13 years, what about a month or two?
The justice system really know how to screw up peoples lifes for good, no second chances available.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Isittruee
reply to post by StrangeTimez
 


Real and substantial. From chalk? What kind of crazy permanent chalk was this?


So can I go to your house every day and write on it whatever I want for 6 months straight and you just have to wait for it to eventually wash off on it's own?


So you just wait six months then try to put me away for 13 years? I understand your trying to show the other side of the story. But ridiculous is ridiculous.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:07 AM
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Its ludicrous there has to be something dodgy going on with the case. The Judge sounds like a neo fascist.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by StrangeTimez

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Isittruee
reply to post by StrangeTimez
 


Real and substantial. From chalk? What kind of crazy permanent chalk was this?


So can I go to your house every day and write on it whatever I want for 6 months straight and you just have to wait for it to eventually wash off on it's own?


So you just wait six months then try to put me away for 13 years? I understand your trying to show the other side of the story. But ridiculous is ridiculous.


No one said they are trying to put him away for 13 years. That is the max he could be put away for because of all the multiple charges he faces. Show me where they claim they are seeking the max allowable.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Its ludicrous there has to be something dodgy going on with the case. The Judge sounds like a neo fascist.


Why because you are too lazy to read and too bias to form an objective opinion? My guess is you do not have the slightest clue what is going on.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:27 AM
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I just saw on the news about a guy doing the same thing but all around town, in front of businesses, and other public places. He was caught via big brother. the cops said there was no way to make an arrest stick because 1 it was chalk and 2 it was a public sidewalk. But I guess if you got money you can buy the courts and the police,

And to those defending the bank on this one, get over it, water soluble chalk is not vandalism. paint is vandalism, destroying of property is vandalism. And if he is writing on a public sidewalk then the bank is choosing to do the citys work. It was there choice to clean it, they didn't half to, it wasn't there's to clean. At most they could of filed a complaint with the city that the public sidewalks in front of there building needed to be cleaned, Im guessing the city would have told the banks to shove it.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:29 AM
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Why because you are too lazy to read and too bias to form an objective opinion? My guess is you do not have the slightest clue what is going on.


The OP explained the basic facts of the demeanor

- chalk graffiti at front of major bank
- Bank requires 6000 dollars to clean off graffiti
- Judge is restricting legal argument to Vandalism
- Prosecution wants to send him away for 13 years

So go ahead and fill in the details since you are the most informed here. Why would anyone be sent away for 13 years for chalk graffiti?



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:30 AM
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A judge has barred his attorney from mentioning freedom of speech during trial.

really? can't mention free speech. wow.

anyhow, the judge cannot make such a proclamation legally. i'd go after the judge first, it's blatant corruption.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Why because you are too lazy to read and too bias to form an objective opinion? My guess is you do not have the slightest clue what is going on.


The OP explained the basic facts of the demeanor

So you admit you are too lazy to see what is actually going on. Thanks for admitting your laziness.


- chalk graffiti at front of major bank

Yes, which is vandalism.

- Bank requires 6000 dollars to clean off graffiti

Yes at a cost of $93 for each cleaning. Very reasonable.

- Judge is restricting legal argument to Vandalism

Wrong. The law states the freedom of speech is not a defense for vandalism. The judge is enforcing the law. It's a good law. You can't deface my house and claim freedom of speech.

- Prosecution wants to send him away for 13 years

Wrong again. They do not want to send him away for 13 years. He is being charged with 13 counts of vandalism. Each count has a fine and POSSIBLE jail time of UP TO 13 years max. So he COULD go away for 13 years of found guilty on all 13 charges, or he could get ZERO jail time. The prosecution has never stated they are seeking the max.

Please dont be so lazy next time.

So go ahead and fill in the details since you are the most informed here. Why would anyone be sent away for 13 years for chalk graffiti?









edit on 26-6-2013 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by StrangeTimez

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Isittruee
reply to post by StrangeTimez
 


Real and substantial. From chalk? What kind of crazy permanent chalk was this?


So can I go to your house every day and write on it whatever I want for 6 months straight and you just have to wait for it to eventually wash off on it's own?


So you just wait six months then try to put me away for 13 years? I understand your trying to show the other side of the story. But ridiculous is ridiculous.


No one said they are trying to put him away for 13 years. That is the max he could be put away for because of all the multiple charges he faces. Show me where they claim they are seeking the max allowable.


The ridiculousness lies in the fact that there is even a 13 year max.

The man is facing 13 years for writing, during whatever period of time, in chalk. How does that not sound crazy? I sure as hell hope he doesnt get the max sentence.
I see your on some crusade against people who form opinions without understanding the whole story. But it is possible to swing your sword so hard and unwieldy that you harm yourself.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
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A judge has barred his attorney from mentioning freedom of speech during trial.

really? can't mention free speech. wow.

anyhow, the judge cannot make such a proclamation legally. i'd go after the judge first, it's blatant corruption.


Can I spray paint your car and claim freedom of speech?



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:36 AM
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This is the first thing that came to my mind.

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." -- Captain Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie (The Drumhead)



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by DocHolidaze
I just saw on the news about a guy doing the same thing but all around town, in front of businesses, and other public places. He was caught via big brother. the cops said there was no way to make an arrest stick because 1 it was chalk and 2 it was a public sidewalk. But I guess if you got money you can buy the courts and the police,

And to those defending the bank on this one, get over it, water soluble chalk is not vandalism. paint is vandalism, destroying of property is vandalism. And if he is writing on a public sidewalk then the bank is choosing to do the citys work. It was there choice to clean it, they didn't half to, it wasn't there's to clean. At most they could of filed a complaint with the city that the public sidewalks in front of there building needed to be cleaned, Im guessing the city would have told the banks to shove it.


How do you know the bank does not have a duty to keep the sidewalk clean?

Assuming they don't, it's still vandalism, just to city property and not bank property.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:41 AM
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Yes at a cost of $93 for each cleaning. Very reasonable.


I can see with that kind of opinion debate will go nowhere.




Wrong. The law states the freedom of speech is not a defense for vandalism. The judge is enforcing the law. It's a good law. You can't deface my house and claim freedom of speech.


The point of contention here is that chalk is considered vandalism. Obviously the degree should be taken into consideration. If I scribble two words it should not be considered vandalism. If I cover the whole front of the bank in figures committing lewd sexual acts then yes, I can see your point.

Get off your high horse. You had some valid points but now your off the deep end.
edit on 26-6-2013 by StrangeTimez because: typo



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:41 AM
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So you admit you are too lazy to see what is actually going on. Thanks for admitting your laziness.


I can see your one of these posters that like to take personal jabs, ok fine.

Look sanity check Princess there is some chalk scrawling made a the front of the bank, how much scrawling is there. Do you think the guy had the time to do a michael angelo mosaic, or he got a good half an hour of scrawling in before the cops came and arrested in him. 13 counts for chalk scrawl. People like you deserve everything you get in life because you don't have any common sense to smell crap when its put in front of your senses.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by StrangeTimez

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by StrangeTimez

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Isittruee
reply to post by StrangeTimez
 


Real and substantial. From chalk? What kind of crazy permanent chalk was this?


So can I go to your house every day and write on it whatever I want for 6 months straight and you just have to wait for it to eventually wash off on it's own?


So you just wait six months then try to put me away for 13 years? I understand your trying to show the other side of the story. But ridiculous is ridiculous.


No one said they are trying to put him away for 13 years. That is the max he could be put away for because of all the multiple charges he faces. Show me where they claim they are seeking the max allowable.


The ridiculousness lies in the fact that there is even a 13 year max.

There is a 1 year max for vandalism. That is not ridiculous. The ridiculous part is that this man did it so many times and ignored when he was asked to stop. You reap what you sow. I am all for him standing out front with a sign preaching and handing out flyers.


The man is facing 13 years for writing, during whatever period of time, in chalk. How does that not sound crazy? I sure as hell hope he doesnt get the max sentence.
I see your on some crusade against people who form opinions without understanding the whole story. But it is possible to swing your sword so hard and unwieldy that you harm yourself.


I hope he does not get the max sentence either. It would not be justice. The only one forming an opinion without knowing the story is you when you assume i am on a crusade and swinging a heavy sword. Fact is he took a short cut and broke the law. He vandalised property, and he needs to pay for it. I think cleaning costs of $6 grand and a few grand in fines and probation for 5 years would be justice.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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So you admit you are too lazy to see what is actually going on. Thanks for admitting your laziness.


I can see your one of these posters that like to take personal jabs, ok fine.

Look sanity check Princess there is some chalk scrawling made a the front of the bank, how much scrawling is there. Do you think the guy had the time to do a michael angelo mosaic, or he got a good half an hour of scrawling in before the cops came and arrested in him. 13 counts for chalk scrawl. People like you deserve everything you get in life because you don't have any common sense to smell crap when its put in front of your senses.



Like I said before, he had some points but he went off the deep end several post ago. Now hes on come righteous quest to get his mortgage refinanced lol. Someone let him know Bank of America isnt reading this.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by StrangeTimez
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Yes at a cost of $93 for each cleaning. Very reasonable.


I can see with that kind of opinion debate will go nowhere.




Wrong. The law states the freedom of speech is not a defense for vandalism. The judge is enforcing the law. It's a good law. You can't deface my house and claim freedom of speech.


The point of contention here is that chalk is considered vandalism. Obviously the degree should be taken into consideration. If I scribble two words it should not be considered vandalism. If I cover the whole front of the bank in figures committing lewd sexual acts then yes, I can see your point.

Get off your high horse. You had some valid points but now your off the deep end.
edit on 26-6-2013 by StrangeTimez because: typo


So how much do you think a company will charge you to come clean your sidewalk? $93 is very reasonable. If you think otherwise you are delusional.

I am glad you brought in that it's vandalism based on the EXTREME nature of the event. Had he wrote in chalk once and never did it again, charging may be lawful but it would be a travesty. Fact is he did this over 60 times, each charge accounts for 2 weeks of his vandalism. It is the extreme nature of his vandalising with chalk that warrants charges.



posted on Jun, 26 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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So you admit you are too lazy to see what is actually going on. Thanks for admitting your laziness.


I can see your one of these posters that like to take personal jabs, ok fine.

Look sanity check Princess there is some chalk scrawling made a the front of the bank, how much scrawling is there. Do you think the guy had the time to do a michael angelo mosaic, or he got a good half an hour of scrawling in before the cops came and arrested in him. 13 counts for chalk scrawl. People like you deserve everything you get in life because you don't have any common sense to smell crap when its put in front of your senses.



So I can deface your house with chalk every day for the rest of your life as long as I don't do a Michaelangelo? People like you are the ones who deserve what they get, because they support it when it happens to others. 13 counts for 65 days of chalk scrawl. One count for every 2 weeks he vandalised the property even after being asked to stop.



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