mozilla foundation releases fire fox 22 this will change the web forever

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I don't like it because this is run, controlled by Google it seems. I don't trust Google anymore than I trust the NSA not to spy on me.( in fact google has a track record of using data from it's users for other purposes)

its a web standard, its not controlled by google,
its under the same control as the rest of the web

So.. it seems all they are doing here is replacing voice and video apps with web apps built into a webpage and they want this to be cross platform. It's like they are trying to give Skype and Microsoft a run the their money.

this is peer to peer and only uses servers if the nat translation dosnt work properly. you can use it without ever going to a web page if you want

Unless it's a forum such as ATS or perhaps a web based IRC client, I don't have much use for web based communications apps. With Skype I can call friends with text and video and with The awesome Bobsled I can make PC to land line and cell phone calls for free nationwide. Bobsled will surpass Skype soon when they come out with free video calling.

a very simple set of java scrip code can be embeded into ATS, and any web sight you want.

if you wanted to you could set up a stun server in a free cloud provider and run you own connections.

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Slightly OT, but pertaining to FF:

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Swills

 

I don't think it's Firefox that's giving you problems. As a matter of fact, I literally have 15 tabs open right now. I think it's your computer.

I concur, it's likely his/her computer, not the browser. I have 22 pages open right now in FF 21 on an Acer netbook (Atom N450 CPU 1.6 ghz, and meager 2 Gigs of RAM) and am having no problem keeping my system running at about 35-45% CPU, considering spikes, and holding steady at 60% RAM. With other programs running besides FF. Now, if I can manage that on a obsolete netbook, I'm thinking that poster has some issues with their hardware or perhaps system services. If they have the technical understanding, they may want to go in to their services program and see which they could turn off to free up some CPU & RAM space. It also doesn't hurt to make sure your drivers (all of them) are current, and I second using CCleaner, too. I see the poster is insisting it's not their comp, but that's what I said over & over before I tweaked my Win7 Starter's running services. Sometimes it really is just that simple.

Now, on topic. This is pretty awesome. I'm not aware of too many affordable or free, and non-snoopy, alternatives to Skype. This is going to be very awesome for people who live on a shoe-string wanting to keep in touch with family, and doubly awesome for those needing, or just wishing, to communicate without uninvited Overlord guests listening in/watching. Inevitably, you know the government is going to try to shove their fingers in this somehow. They know they can pull Skype's strings, you know they're going to try it with this.

Originally posted by Swills
Hundreds of tabs? If you say so but I'm tired of repeating myself, it's not my PC its Firefox. That's all there is too it.

Firefox runs fine with 300 tabs as long as I have adequate memory on the PC, like at least 1GB for just Firefox.

If I open 600 tabs it can get sluggish, but who needs more than 300 tabs anyway?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Swills
Hundreds of tabs? If you say so but I'm tired of repeating myself, it's not my PC its Firefox. That's all there is too it.

Firefox runs fine with 300 tabs as long as I have adequate memory on the PC, like at least 1GB for just Firefox.

If I open 600 tabs it can get sluggish, but who needs more than 300 tabs anyway?

just in case you turn popup blocker off?

i have heard of a crash bug in earler versions but for as long as i have used 20 i have not had a single problem other than individual tab crashes, and 21 and 22 have been rock solid.

as for chrome,
it is rock soild as well contains the same functionality,
have played a couple of 3d web game demos without a problem,
and thats with lots of ATS tabs open

with this release im moving back to FF as i think there browser has a slight edge,
for now any way

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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Swills

 

I don't think it's Firefox that's giving you problems. As a matter of fact, I literally have 15 tabs open right now. I think it's your computer.

I agree, I have numerous tabs open all the time and have no issues with Firefox, It VERY seldom ever crashes and is not slow in the least.... I for one have been happy with it.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Swills

 

I don't think it's Firefox that's giving you problems. As a matter of fact, I literally have 15 tabs open right now. I think it's your computer.

I have the same problems on both my computers and one is a fresh install.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Swills

 

I don't think it's Firefox that's giving you problems. As a matter of fact, I literally have 15 tabs open right now. I think it's your computer.

I agree, never had a problem myself.

Originally posted by QuantriQueptidez
I'll stick with chrome and wait until they have a suitable alternative.

Firefox went downhill long ago.

Skype is much more clear than my regular cell service, so that'll do for now.

yeah it's clearer so the nsa can get every word syllable sentence.

I read the OP and watched the first 5 minutes of the video. Would someone explain to me how this is different from the conventional B2B teleconferencing concept?

I understand wanting to take current technologies and expanding on them, making them better, but all I see happening here is putting the teleconferencing concept online. Exploder mentioned how you can now chat with a CS rep on their web site. You can currently do that anyway with a lot of business sites via their chat function that they put in their site.

I would applaud this if they were expanding current technology to make something that was previously unheard of. But that's not what they're doing. They're expanding current technology to make an old idea fit into it. You know how you can turn on a newer model car with a remote device? What FF is doing is akin to someone devising a way to turn on a newer model car via their computer, laptop or mobile device. You're taking an already implemented idea, starting your car remotely, and putting it online.

Sorry, but I'm not seeing anything innovative about that.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple


From what I gathered reading up on FF 22 and from my practice with HTML5 the big breakthrough is no more downloading of third party plug-ins, apps or programs to accomplish a thing.

Which benefits everyone in the constant struggle to save resources, time, money and maintain privacy.

No more Flash, Quicktime, VLC, Skype, Java etc.....

No more Android/Apple/Windows incompatibility.

Just an up to date browser and your good to go.

Examples: bitbucket.org... ; www.sharefest.me...

reply to post by XPLodER


Thanks for this thread XPLodER

I didn't know it was possible to communicate without some form of medium setting the connection up, this is a little like telling the translator to do one because we can for instance:
Me and my Spanish friend can get our point across with numbers and pictures, we don't need a medium just to have a connection... your just not needed anymore.

I'm not tech savvy at all when it comes to software/hardware but that is the point that is coming across to me.
All you need is 2 hosts and the internet... No software,no compatible apps and no built in hardware.
Just a web browser and someone to to be in contact with right?

A brilliant idea and I do loath using mediums to stay in contact with anything.
Thanks for bringing this to my awareness, I'd say it is definitely a step in the right direction.

Anyways isn't there a saying about never trusting the middle men?

reply to post by Swills


I have had the same issue, but I narrowed it down to Adobe Flash. One tab and adobe flash and it my cpu spikes and memory goes to lala land. I don't care to much for apple products nor Stebe Jobs but he was correct on telling adobe that they have crappy software.

Hopefully this tech update and html will truly make flash something of the past.

reply to post by XPLodER


unless I can call a phone (browser) from my web browser I think I'll be sticking to the latest and greatest IE.

reply to post by RAY1990


the really cool thing is that in HD (high definition) the amount of bandwidth consumed is almost half of its comercial competitor.

Google says its new video codec, VP9, uses half as much bandwidth as current-generation technology to stream the same quality of video. Widespread adoption of the codec would greatly relieve network congestion online, according to Google, as more than 51 percent of Internet traffic came from streaming video in 2011, a number that is on the rise.

from May 16 2013 2:48 PM VP9 is very good quality

and if it cost lest in data to use, you can watch more video than you did before and in HD

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Really if mozila launch new web browser it's great news. www.winprograms.info...

And the porn industry will be all over this in 3, 2, 1...

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I've had most of my Firefox issues with macs. Odd, isn't it.

Maybe these been answered, but What's the performance of all this in the real world? Firefox hasn't even officially put out a 64bit version; with that how is this all going to really measure up? They talk about security, but is it really? They always say it's secure and days after some hacker punches a hole through their so called security.
This stuff eats up upload bandwidth so Coaxial cable or a fiber internet provider is a must.

Imagine having dsl with wifi and trying this. Dsl already has a high latency with it's error correction overhead, along with wifi's latency pfft forget it. Moreover, you have this new app being a bandwidth hog app with little bandwidth available. Not to mention encapsulating all this with encryption. This will run puke slow. Now if both sides have a gigibit lan setup on fiber then you're going to get somewhere.

I'm glad they are looking at making real-time communication more viable which will lead to greater societal and technological advances, but I have to agree firefox is horrible. Full of bugs, always crashing and very slow to load and display. Not to mention that damn delta search installing by default which works like a virus trying to over-run my default homepage on every single browser!