Part Two Reply to REAPER2137, now to the rest of your post,
I lost the paste section (IPAD can't format on this thing to save my life) but I'll try to Remember your points, I may have to go back and edit. To
sum it up, you brought up the problems with the Geneva Convention, nations that dont sign, etc., the legal duty for soldiers to disobey illegal orders
and the problems in committing what could be considered war crimes but that are not intended to be, etc.
Let me begin, first, while I've not ever been "in" a war, I have read enough about war, revolution and human right abuses to at least have a pragmatic
realism to know that there are Extreme abuses committed By other nations, cultures, etc who in no way remotely share in the same moral, cultural and
political vales that we do, even in spite of the divisions, etc., in this nation, culturally speaking and as far as political and historical
development, etc I'm well aware of those Extreme differences, and am not naive in thinking we live in some Kumbayah land where there would be no
conflict if we were simply a Passive nation. On that I know better...it's the One issue that often (that and women/children's rights/human rights)
that got me into a lot of trouble when I was IN the more far left activism..and why I became strictly independent. I'm very well aware of the
propaganda there, put it that way, as well as the Agendas. Anyway, two wrongs don't make a right, use to be there was at least a center balanced
ground, not anymore, it's either extreme right fascism or extreme left, and of course the disguised passive faux good mask that can cloak either side.
So, with that in mind, let's just say, I'm well aware of political Islam, the development of, their ability to adapt warfare of their enemies, etc.,
that and the many divisions even within Their ranks...any human rights understanding of, take example Pakistan and Afghanistan and the numerous splits
and corruptions during the Russian and Afghan war, for example, is worse than any sifting through a political soap opera. meaning, it's not just one
enemy verses another, more like, one enemy verses fifty factions...some united and others divided stumbling over one another for that power vacuum.
And of course, human right abuses and war crimes that are near impossible to condem because all the parties are guilty to one extent or another...
Relevancy here, is that to fight IN an environment like that, would be near impossible to not cross the line, either intentionally or by accident, eg
collateral damage. I am Very well aware of those facts...because with those many factions it's near impossible to Know who to trust and even with
siding with one, they'll still stab you in the back because their agenda is way different...that whole common enemy but of your enemy kind of thing.
So aware of that mess...EG., be it in the former Yugoslavia war (Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, Serbia, etc., the Utashti and numerous other splinter
groups) or the Kashmir conflict, etc., etc., not going to list them all off, but point being...there Are things, like the bus incident, that Yes do
happen, and Yes numerous nation states or sub states see not an issue with using women and children as shields...some even volunteer, either to defend
OR for idealogical reasons, etc. And yes they can be civilians, no doubt.
That said however, there can Still be some guidelines that are not crossed...ever. There is a huge difference between shooting a bus that could
possibly be armed, and it not...to Rounding up little children to rape in front of their civilian mothers. A Really huge difference....that so
crosses the line that even a dumb civilian could see that. And it's Not like it doesn't happen, we see it happen IN our own law enforcement, in fact
now it's becoming a norm. (see recent case in Texas where asshole cops turned a women's jail into a RAPE CAMP, there's a suit about it). that goes
way beyond collateral damage...way beyond.
Now Relevancy here, is that These incidents aren't just a rare ananomly, oh no, these are ORDERED CRIMES by a CHAIN OF COMMAND. THEN we are getting
into things that go far beyond the laws of warfare and into flat out Genocide in Part and I'd go as far as asserting Ethnic or Religious Sect
Cleansing which IS AGAINST the Geneva Convention. Worse, take the Afghan example, these crimes are being done, NOT FOR FREEDOM, hardly,
But for land access for MINING. that and farming opium or other "development" which is handed over Not to legit governments, but to WAR CRIMINALS
that we are "supposed" to be Against. And That is Exactly what EG., Milosovic did, Serbia, etc., they wanted that expansion, and before the blood was
even cleaned upmarket the IMF was there land surveying the mountain regions for, MINING the resources. China is already mining in Afghanistan for
ores, and the factions, aka black market are fighting for access to those regions,
Which in turn feeds into a criminal black market.
edit on 26-6-2013 by ThreeBears because: Typos