Kerry warns Russia on Snowden: "Respect the relationship"

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Guenter
reply to post by neo96

 

They always had the superiority against the common Joe. However never the "means" as in technical ability to collect that much. prior it was pretty much a man to man thing.

That is a difference of opinions there is really not much difference.

Any information they wanted they usually got 'going off the grid' is over 50 years old now.

Well each invention changes the playing field. That goes back to the days when we learned to use rocks to smash ones head, usually our lunch. but eventually each others. And with each invention and its following abuse come revolts.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by FrankLY

 

Harper doesn't come to ATS but from the other Canadians that do they don't think too highly of the US.

Can't blame them either,

Harper is a globalist, he will march to the tune of the US. (but sadly the only alternative we have to him are socialists)

But back to the US, they don't have any friends (their foreign policy aka industrial military complex) and countries are really starting to distance themselves economically from the states as we watch their economy implode (and taking the rest of us with it)

Which means their "words" become meaningless, the only weight the US has now is its military might but when dealing with other nations like Russia and China......as I said, their words are meaningless.

Putin: Mr. Kerry, One should abide by ones own words when mentioning respect.

Kerry: Huh???

It seems that Mr. Kerry has forgotten the first rule in nature, Don't Poke the Bear! Russia will do whatever is in Russia's interest and not the US's. If that means turning Snowden over they will and the price will be high, if not then Mr. Kerry needs to understand that Mr. Putin could care less about what Mr. Kerry thinks or asks.

There is much more at play than Snowden and Russia is only waiting for the right time to play their trump card. Remember their goal is for the US to fall without a shot being fired.

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by FrankLY

 

Harper doesn't come to ATS but from the other Canadians that do they don't think too highly of the US.

Can't blame them either,

Harper is a globalist, he will march to the tune of the US. (but sadly the only alternative we have to him are socialists)

Well if "Socialists" are what we have available as Harper/Globalist alternative, would it not be better go a bit with the Socialists than really be drawn more and more down the same path?

Originally posted by pstrron
It seems that Mr. Kerry has forgotten the first rule in nature, Don't Poke the Bear! Russia will do whatever is in Russia's interest and not the US's. If that means turning Snowden over they will and the price will be high, if not then Mr. Kerry needs to understand that Mr. Putin could care less about what Mr. Kerry thinks or asks.

There is much more at play than Snowden and Russia is only waiting for the right time to play their trump card. Remember their goal is for the US to fall without a shot being fired.

Pretty well summed up. At least Russia is interested to get back to a world that is a bit more "balanced". the universal dream of mad men since civilization began is a global empire and that Mr. Putin is well aware is the worst case scenario.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by SPECULUM

 

Interesting comment that in a 'celebrity death match' with Kerry and Putin it's a given Putin would win.

Kerry would lose.

It's curious that it took a hardline KGB man to advise the US that they were arming organ eaters.

I can't believe I almost forgot about that before Putin spoke up about the organ eating.

But the Russians are evil because its a mafia state (sarcasm)

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
That statement is real hypocritical of Kerry, what exactly has that man or any of his slimy cohorts in DC ever respected? Kerry acting like he's the big cheese and issuing demands to Russia is actually quite comical. However given Russia's recent stance on supplying Assad with high tech weapons, warning against a US imposed No-Fly Zone in Syria, and their refusal to engage in weapons reduction talks Kerry may actually be adding fuel to the fire for a much larger escalation of an already sensitive situation.

The best thing that Kerry, Obama, Biden, or any of the others in DC can do right now is step back and stop the demands. The whole of the DC comics already look like a laughing stock to the rest of the world, they're just too damn stupid to realize it.

Well put diver--- and we would probably agree that war comes due to the complete failure
of diplomacy. Arrogance and ignorance combined, at least to me, is a sure knockout punch
to peace, and these clowns are stumbling right into another historical pothole a mile deep.
Time for more helium in the mix, we're goin in. And you know the string pullers love it.

I guess this is what happens when useful idiots ascend as far as they have...

A quick glance at the cabinet list and there are 2 Kerrys, so now I assume it means the State Kerry. He is under obligation to sticked with what he oathed in for. That's actually a nice catch phrase for the NSA to hear, respect the relationship.

This Snowden thing has been a player in my worldline since ever he decided to work for his country because he had strong clear honest values for USA and all it stood for, which got him the good job in the first place, because he was so bright and has the truth with him. A truth-follower can't abide with too much deception. This was a place where he couldn't stand with the government of the country because it deviated from aims of the founding government leaders.

Look, a bright person has got to do what a bright person has got to do. If he is doing it in the spirit of the founding fathers of our nation, then it is meant to be. I hope he is remembered in time of being a courageous leader in a dark time ruled by computer logic and suspicion. He's the one who stood up to a bad boss and walked out following his principles. He's not some hack who got dirty to find clean; he was the one who followed all the rules until the rules led him into a tar pit and then he got out of there before getting stuck. He's a global example of standing against tyranny. He put freedom into action.

Russia isn't stupid about the angle but sometimes I think their bright people provided the magnetism to pull Snowden apart from the US in the first place.

Some days I'm thinking full pardon with a nobel peace prize just for kicks and grins.

Originally posted by neo96

(CBS News) NEW DELHI, India -- The global manhunt for Edward Snowden has turned into a diplomatic standoff between the U.S. and Russia, with the Departments of Justice and State -- along with the FBI and White House -- all pushing the Russian government to hand over the NSA leaker.

www.cbsnews.com...

Hey Kerry psst Russia doesn't give a damn what the US thinks, and I can hardly blame them.

Seriously I don't think too much of any of the players in this latest 'distraction'.

Not the US
Not Kerry
Not Russia
Not China
Not Ecuador
Not Snowden.

Hey Kerry?

The US has no friends.

And I would say the U.S. "Government" (more like the "U.S. Coverment") has no truth tellers either !

Lie after Lie is all we keep hearing.

I bet this whole Snowden deal could be BeeEss.

Has there been any solid confirmation that "Snowden" really exists ?

Has there been any solid confirmation that "Snowden" was really in Hong Kong ?

Has there been any solid confirmation that "Snowden" was or 'is' really in Russia ?

All we are getting is "reports" from media sources.

Oh wait ... I forgot, we got CONfirmation from the White House and a bunch of Obama appointed officials

The "Big Shot from a Small Town" 'demands' from the U.S. that Russia give up "Snowden" is now in question....
Some Russian Minister says "Snowden" never was in Russia

There's a deeper agenda with the whole "Snowden" thing.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Some Russian Minister says "Snowden" never was in Russia

If Snowden landed at the Moscow Airport he could still be officially in transit. The Russian Foreign Minister could simply be referring to the process of officially entering Russia from the air side. Snowden could be holed up in the hotel?

MOSCOW, June 24 (Itar-Tass) - Former CIA officer Edward Snowden remains in the transit zone at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, an airport security source told Itar-Tass.

www.itar-tass.com...

A source at Aeroflot Russian Airlines told the agency that the whistleblower, who is accompanied by WikiLeaks representative, Sarah Harrison, has rented a suit at the airport’s «V-Express» Capsule Hotel. “He arrived. But he can’t leave the terminal because he doesn’t have a Russian visa,” the source said.

rt.com...

Originally posted by Sandalphon
Look, a bright person has got to do what a bright person has got to do........He's the one who stood up to a bad boss and walked out following his principles. He's not some hack who got dirty to find clean; he was the one who followed all the rules until the rules led him into a tar pit and then he got out of there before getting stuck.

Russia isn't stupid about the angle but sometimes I think their bright people provided the magnetism to pull Snowden apart from the US in the first place.

You're not the only one who thinks that.

Respect the relationship. That's what Kerry said, right? It sounds like an ex-wife telling her ex-husband, respect what we once had. All the U.S. and Russia ever had was a mutual understanding. Don't get in our way and we won't get in yours. If that's a relationship, then to each his own I guess.

Yeah, Putin will respect the relationship. He'll do what's right for his country without a second thought to the U.S. That's his job and that's exactly what anyone in D.C. would do. if Kerry or anyone else in D.C. thinks that any country on this rock, especially Russia, will do ANYthing out of respect for the U.S., they're delusional. D.C. doesn't respect anyone. You get what you give.

Now Snowden. I remember a thread about this where someone posted a link to an interview with 3 ex NSA employees. One of them said that the reason Snowden did what he did, something Snowden actually told this man I believe, was that he wanted to do the right thing and he wanted to start a debate. If that's true, then, and with all due respect to Snowden, he came into this whole thing on the naive side. At the very least, he didn't foresee the realistic consequences of his actions. A white hat in a black hat world. Now he's an international fugitive who's been through Hong Kong and is now dealing with Moscow. Maybe.I don't think he's naive anymore and if it's not Russia, then the man is going to have to find somewhere else to stay and it won't be the U.S.

He's a pawn at this point. A bargaining chip for a game that's over his head played by any country that wants to get involved. Or that needs a bargaining chip against the U.S. True, he's respected by most everyone at this point because of his moral character, but let's face it, his technical capabilities are nothing special. His position at the NSA was what allowed him to do what he did. Yes, he's very intelligent. There's no disputing that. But there are thousands more just as intelligent who could have done what he did. And Putin knows this. That's why Snowden will probably be used. He'll be treated with respect by anyone outside of the U.S., I have no doubt, but he needs to know his place at this point.

And his place is anywhere but U.S. soil. I think we can all thank Assange at a later date for helping that happen.

Kerry warns Russia on Snowden: "Respect the relationship"

DEMANDS? Kerry DEMANDS Russia do something?
Why on earth would Russia do anything we want ... let alone anything we demand?
Russia doesn't respect Obama. (Neither does China).

Russia cut off international adoptions in a blink of an eye.
Russia sees us as weak with Obama's unilateral nuke reduction.
Did you all see how Putin treated Obama last week? (like Obama wasn't there).
etc etc

Kerry 'demands' Russias respect .... :shk:
How about Obama and our government act in a manner worthy of respect??

reply to post by cheesy


I love your Avatar LOL. And as regards Kerry, i've never heard such an arrogant statement.
Who the hell does he think he is.

"Respect the relationship" or else what? They'll build the missile shield in Poland? They'll send in the spooks to snatch Snowden (surely they wouldn't dare do that)... The red line will be crossed and they'll arm Georgians?

At best the only thing the US can do, provided Snowden is actually in Russia, is negotiate the terms of his extradition. Folks like Kerry need to calm down.

Putin rides Harley's, shoots guns and can pull a Bruce Lee. He is more American then any of our politicians. I do not think he has a second thought on what to do with Snowden and most likely does not give a rats ass what Obama LLC has to say. The arrogance of this current administration is just beyond astounding.

And now Russia has essentially given USA the middle finger and said no to their Extradition Demand. I'm liking where this is going, he's (Snowden) got friends in good places.

Putin has now confirmed that Snowden is still in the transit area of the airport.

rt.com...

Putin:Oh Obama,you didnt like my stance on Syria huh?
Putin:How ya like me know?

This is a loose situation for the Obama Administration.
Putin has zero respect for Obama.

And Obama appointed Kerry to handle these matters?
LMAO!

Russia isnt Iraq,Afghanistan or Libya.
And Obama is no Putin.

I'm glad to see other countries stand up to the U.S. I've always though it was egotistically of the U.S. in telling other countries what they are going to do.

If I was a leader of another country I will say; screw you Kerry. You're not the leader of my country so piss off. As am American, I'm sick and tired of my government telling other government what they can and can't do. It's their country, and they can do what they want in it. The U.S. government does what ever the hell they want to do, so why can't others do the same in their country? Double standards I guess.

Sorry for the rant.

reply to post by cheesy


from the united states friend. Michigan actually . And I hope I never have a day like mr. snowden .