Snowden Exposed Criminals, Criminals are Going for Him Now

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by randyvs

 

I would guess the power structure could implode without much help, so I would recommend minor prepping - for example, storing some extra food, some extra gas, getting things in shape around the house, tying up loose ends (couldn't hurt anyway, right?) the stock market certainly won't like this, so I would recommend taking that into consideration.

Even one or two banker scandals could affect the stock market. I'm just saying this cause I don't want anyone to be caught by surprise.

edit on 24-6-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

With respect I wasn't really in need of advice on prepping. Come to think of it I don't really need any on how to kickass either. How to get away with kicking some ass wouled be the best information i suppose. But I wouldn't
expect a response to that so, back to square one.

How do we " Stand up " and/or "Do something about it ?"

Lynchings are no good because that puts us right with them. The thing we are trying to shed.

SnF

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by Rob37n

 

I agree with you - How do we harm the elite?

I think it's coming - we will all be in a place to not pay our credit cards and mortgages - what will they do?

I know - they stop food supply. Then what? I think they're getting nervous about martial law/eviction - what else could they do to us?

Unless someone puts up a webpage or something, with names, addresses and other relevant data, revealing the face and whereabouts of the true elite "ruling" this country through their henchmen (presidents and senators), we will never be able to bring this corrupt system down. The system will simply grow a new head each time you cut off the old. Like some nightmarish hydra from an ancient greek saga.

They may presently hold power over us, and they do so because of their anonymity (we do not know where they are as to smoke them out and hang them). Ppl like Snowden has tried to help us reveal these creeps by way of showing their current surveillance system covering every aspect of our lives and we choose to call him a traitor because congressional whores like Pelosi sais so?

Wake up from your sleep and start identify your true enemy I say. Its a bunch, at most a couple of hundred families at the very top. They live in palaces of unimaginable riches. How hard can it be to find out who they are and where they live?

Once you knopw where, go there and burn their home down to the ground as they have tried to do with every common american. Is that so hard to understand?

Originally posted by randyvs

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by randyvs

 

I would guess the power structure could implode without much help, so I would recommend minor prepping - for example, storing some extra food, some extra gas, getting things in shape around the house, tying up loose ends (couldn't hurt anyway, right?) the stock market certainly won't like this, so I would recommend taking that into consideration.

Even one or two banker scandals could affect the stock market. I'm just saying this cause I don't want anyone to be caught by surprise.

edit on 24-6-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

With respect I wasn't really in need of advice on prepping. Come to think of it I don't really need any on how to kickass either. How to get away with kicking some ass wouled be the best information i suppose. But I wouldn't
expect a response to that so, back to square one.

How do we " Stand up " and/or "Do something about it ?"

Lynchings are no good because that puts us right with them. The thing we are trying to shed.

SnF

edit on 24-6-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

Sorry to mention this bro, but its not about lynching anymore. Its about extermination of a cancer in our society, caused by a few evil souls swaying more power than ever before seen in this world.

Right now they feel safe because they think they are still anonymous, a shadow government behind the puppet known as President Warbama.

But once good and skillful citizens find out who they are, you ll see they will be panicking. Why? Because if their faces become known to the great mass of ppl in this country, where will they go? They will never feel safe on any stree, in any city, because of the concentrated hatred from ppl they have wounded in the past, and the possibility of instant violent retribution from any place, at any given moment.

U just wait and see....soon more whistleblowers will emerge and these ones will show lists with names and addresses of these scum. Then the system will crumble and truly fall.

reply to post by johncarter



Please don't be offended if I'm frank. But I feel you are
grossly under estimating the opponant, just by the
arrogant way we are being taunted to make a move.
I feel they need us to start it. so they can
justify themselves in their vilification of us.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by johncarter

 

Please don't be offended if I'm frank. But I feel you are
grossly under estimating the opponant, just by the
arrogant way we are being taunted to make a move.
I feel they need us to start it. so they can
justify themselves in their vilification of us.

edit on 24-6-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

I am not offended by your frankness. I appreciate it. But let me be clear. The ppl in this country are not different from the people in Turkey or Brazil, presently out on the streets making the TPTB understand that they have had enough.

All this country needs is something that enrages every true american so much that they will not stay at home clinching their fist in their pocket or merely throwing things at the tv set, every time political whores like Obozo, Pelosi or other puppets show their faces.

You have to ask yourself. How many more years are you able to takethis crap or allow your children suffer once you are gone? Is it 5, 10, 20 or even 30 more years of the same corruption on all levels of government and finance? One that seeks to replace every star on our flag with a banana, making us an even worse republic than Panama or Colombia.

They depend on compliance. Barring something that could seriously put one in jail or worse, there is only one thing an individual can do. Opt out. To whatever extent possible, remove your trade from the banking behemoth. Bitcoins are a fiat currency, just like dollars or any other central bank issued one. However, they cannot be centrally controlled. Each individual decides what they are worth, and what they are willing to trade for them. Learn about them. Get an account. Start using them wherever and whenever possible. We are governed by consent. Our own....probably somewhat lazy consent....but, we can remove it gradually.

If you have bitcoins, your "money" is solely under your control, not the government's. They can't count it or police it or tax it. If worst comes to worst, and you have to bug out of the country completely, your bitcoins are still trade-able for local currency almost anywhere in the world. No one can "freeze" your bitcoin account. It resides in your own encrypted files.

Bankless money

Originally posted by Enderdog
They depend on compliance. Barring something that could seriously put one in jail or worse, there is only one thing an individual can do. Opt out. To whatever extent possible, remove your trade from the banking behemoth. Bitcoins are a fiat currency, just like dollars or any other central bank issued one. However, they cannot be centrally controlled. Each individual decides what they are worth, and what they are willing to trade for them. Learn about them. Get an account. Start using them wherever and whenever possible. We are governed by consent. Our own....probably somewhat lazy consent....but, we can remove it gradually.

If you have bitcoins, your "money" is solely under your control, not the government's. They can't count it or police it or tax it. If worst comes to worst, and you have to bug out of the country completely, your bitcoins are still trade-able for local currency almost anywhere in the world. No one can "freeze" your bitcoin account. It resides in your own encrypted files.

Bankless money

They can destroy Mt. Gox and similar exchange mecca´s around the world and thus render the bitcoin useless as a valid currency exchangable to others in time of such need.

Bitcoind is a step in the right direction, but without more direct and physical actions, you will not free this world from this scum that knows every dirty trick in the book of lies and deceit, since they created the first FIAT currency in the middle ages, by decree of a King or Queen only accountable to a god of their own making.

What, pray tell, has Snowden exposed?

To my knowledge, he has thus far simply repeated information which was previously disclosed by other whistleblowers. More disturbingly, he is beginning to sound a lot like a certain grey-haired antagonist who regularly promises to destroy the government with claims of "shocking information" on his show, but comes up with nothing at the end of the day.

A few posters have referred to Assange on this thread. Wikileaks was created on the front money provided by George Soros. For him, it was a strategic investment. All Soros has to do is sit back and wait for well-intentioned rubes like Manning and corporate whistleblowers to hand him all the dirty secrets he can handle. As they say, information is power, particularly in business and political blackmail. Assange is just the front.

A true test of manipulation is whether or not the whistleblower lives. Good people are dying every day, but not these guys. Snowden is literally jet setting all over the world, unhampered. Assange threatened to run for public office. Yeah, ok. Everything is kosher here.

Nah, no one at the top is intentionally trying to incite the public to start a civil war...that wouldn't make sense...unless, of course, the intent is to overthrow the existing government once and for all.

Snowden is working for terrorists. Not literally or directly, but he's favoring them with his disclosure.

What's more important, privacy (and the average Americans privacy is not violated with these monitoring systems) or preventing terror by monitoring those people with affiliations the average American doesn't have?

He violated the chain of command. He should have taken his concerns up the chain of command IN HOUSE, which is what he is required to do by law.

Whistleblowing rewards stops when programs that protect lives are revealed. He's a traitor.

Originally posted by Miracula
Snowden is working for terrorists. Not literally or directly, but he's favoring them with his disclosure.

What's more important, privacy (and the average Americans privacy is not violated with these monitoring systems) or preventing terror by monitoring those people with affiliations the average American doesn't have?

He violated the chain of command. He should have taken his concerns up the chain of command IN HOUSE, which is what he is required to do by law.

Whistleblowing rewards stops when programs that protect lives are revealed. He's a traitor.

edit on 24-6-2013 by Miracula because: (no reason given)

Thank you for the support , noted and stored

NSA

I've really come to be undecided on Snowden. I started with near full support but had maintained a bit of hedging, depending how how this all seemed to turn out. His revelations began with what most interested and help America move in the direction of cleaning our own house ....but now have tended toward that which helps adversary nations at a distinct disadvantage to our own. Some see no lines. I most certainly do. There is whistle blowing and then there is bomb throwing. Which is it and which is it becoming?

Like others, I'm also getting a feeling like all is not as it appears to be here. Things which should take time, aren't and things which should be handled carefully aren't being. Appearances to the nations involved seem barely to matter when that's normally what matters most in high level defection cases (which this has become....we're just not used to seeing it happen FROM our side to another).

So I'm in the undecided camp at this point I can see a point where I may really appreciate what he brought to light but come to strongly dislike the man who brought it by actions taken after that first helpful blast of info. Time will tell, IMO.

Originally posted by johncarter

The only surprise is that Interpol did not release a red letter notice to detain Snowden. After all, Interpol in the past, issued a red letter notice that enabled Malaysian authorities to arrest a Saudi national in their country for the crime of blasphemy in Saudi Arabia.

The answer is simple:

Here a quote of Interpol "constitution"

In order to maintain as politically neutral a role as possible, Interpol's constitution forbids it to undertake any interventions or activities of a political, military, religious, or racial nature.[4] Its work focuses primarily on public safety, terrorism, organized crime, crimes against humanity, environmental crime, genocide, war crimes, piracy, illicit traffic in works of art, illicit drug production, drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, child pornography, white-collar crime, computer crime, intellectual property crime and corruption.

Source

Might explain why they wont touch the Snowdon guy with a 100ft pole.

The most important thing we can do is let the snowdens do what their doing, cause the more they do the corrupt politicians will start getting paranoid about themselves being turned out, and either get put in jail or they will sell out other politicians to save their own ass, either way we get rid of the corrupt.

reply to post by darkbake


the more information the public has on the activities of governments, financial and other corporations, imo, the better the odds that one day this mess can be cleaned up.

blessings to all who unselfishly sacrifice their own personal wellbeing for the future good of humanity.

only by exposing soundrels and criminals to daylight, can the world be rid of parasites.

those who have nothing to hide and who's actions are honorable are not worried by exposure.

isn't shapespear who said, thou does protest too much.

reply to post by Miracula


This was said by the Ecuadorian Foreign Minister.

Ecuador has been in contact with the Russian government over Edward Snowden and has informed Russia that it is considering him asylum appeal, Ecuador’s Foreign Minister said at a press conference in Hanoi on Monday.

He stressed that the Ecuadorian government puts human rights above any other party’s interests. Patino also said it is “paradoxical” the person who revealed alleged rights violations is being “persecuted.” “It should be asked, who betrayed whom,” Patino stressed as he questioned the correctness of calling Snowden’s leak a “treason.” “Is this betraying the citizens of the world, or betraying some elites that are in power in a certain country?” the Minister asked.

Source

Pretty much every country but the U.S. does not agree with your assessment.

Originally posted by Miracula
What's more important, privacy (and the average Americans privacy is not violated with these monitoring systems) or preventing terror by monitoring those people with affiliations the average American doesn't have?

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
-Benjamin Franklin

Originally posted by NaturalHealer
What, pray tell, has Snowden exposed?

PRISM, the mechanisms of the N.S.A. spying program that is able to access any electronic history on anyone, the U.S. and British spying on E.U. nations, including Germany, spying on foreign leaders at diplomatic conferences... to begin with.

Also, a bunch of information that has not been written into news stories yet.

The real impact of what he’s done here is only now starting to be realized. Not only is he exposing the criminality of the GCHQ – the signals intelligence part of the British intelligence services – and the NSA, but he is also showing that much of that intelligence contains information which may bring criminal prosecutions. For example, of war crimes, or criminal prosecutions against bankers, people who’ve been doing money laundering, such as Lord Green who was in charge of HSBC. There’s a vast amount of information there.

So basically, he exposed so much information that it is going to take time to fully investigate and prosecute everyone involved.

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by darkbake

 

Lately I have noticed there are two types of posters here in the case of Snowden. The thought out, reasoned arguments and the other side: "Amurica, F-Yeah! Get that traitor!"

What about the 3 kind of poster, "Snowden, Ignore the laws he broke! He is a hero!"

Their are brainwashed people on either side of this equation and both are equally as scary to me.

Anyone that has made their mind up already is just speaking from an emotional place vs logical as not all the facts have been presented.

Originally posted by Miracula
What's more important, privacy (and the average Americans privacy is not violated with these monitoring systems) or preventing terror by monitoring those people with affiliations the average American doesn't have?

Well great, I'm glad you agree with me here. The surveillance that has been done on corporate bankers and politicians world-wide is about to bring these "people with affiliations the average American doesn't have" to justice

So you are on Snowden's side, then?

Originally posted by opethPA

What about the 3 kind of poster, "Snowden, Ignore the laws he broke! He is a hero!"

Snowden knows he broke the law. He also knows that the law of the land in the U.S. is illegitimate, so it hardly matters. That's why other countries are not cooperating with the U.S. when it comes to Snowden's extradition.

Other countries are not very happy about the U.S. spying on their citizens, etc. etc. without warrants. How many laws were the people he exposed breaking? How much corruption was exposed?

Congress did not even know about these programs, yet the Executive Branch did? Are we ran by the C.I.A. now? I don't recall voting any of them into office.