Earth's present, artificial moon - and her REAL, large-sized Hidden One

Introduction

..you all know how difficult it is to explain to a familymember, for example, the NWO , and how its all connected , because of so many [minor] aspects that are interconnected - and only when seeing the larger picture, the context, one can be sure that indeed something like that is going on, right…? But that friend will look at 1 point only : and obviously he wont consider that ‘proof ’ of any NWO, at all.
Likewise, its with this topic : it may appear i deviate at times - but its about the Whole.
Please remember: a new context may be stránge at first: but that does not mean it cannot be true: as long the context of the assumptions make sense.
And, most of all - remember, its an Ongoing Search.
Out of the Box.
Enjoy the ride !

---Checking our own way of How we are Vieuwing Things is Important !---

There are several sites discussing the fixed-earth conception, as well as ‘inflated earth‘ ; I wont mention nor discuss them here, since the internet is full of them.
The main reason for skepticism about something as Fixed Earth is not so much its improbability –
but because we are used [indoctrinated?] for centuries now, to the heliocentric concept and its "scientific proofs", that we discard almost automatically, as by Reflex, another idea.
...but remember: it may sound strange: but "Science" is a Religion, as well : because it refutes what she considers preposterous, moreover: she can "only measure those things, according to her concept of things".
True ?

But what if that what we see, with our own eyes, is False ? an inverse mirrored Hologram ? because our *thinking* is upside-down ?
We look below at different ancient sources – the Veda’s , Egyptian and Sumerian writings, and the Bible.
Personally, i think many of those ancient writings tell the same truths about the Universe - but there is but 1 who explains the contextual proof of the real state of our earth and its universe – because, as only one, she explains the reason *why* the heliocentric theory was being concocted,
and WHAT is thereby obfuscated on purpose, to us.



The gyroscopic model is a very realistic possibility in explaining our solarsystem and universe around it ; where our Earth is in the centre [ ‘fixed’] , the ‘rotor’ [ the yellow disk] is the spinning aether, the second "ring" being "our Sun and its planets" and the third, outer "ring" being the stars. The Vedic model is similar
[ see works of dr Thompson ]
The Bible mentions "Ezekiels Wheels" ; several wheels “turning within eachother“, and wheels "with eyes across its brim" - in our literal model, those ‘eyes‘ could be very well ‘the stars we see‘ ;
and the gyroscope is encompassed by a crystal Dome ["the Sea of Glass"] , which refracts in myriad forms the stars' lights back to us - hence to us it appears like endless numbers of galaxies or even other universes.
Remember, that in the Biblical model, many existing real-time concepts are an “image“ of ideas or concepts that are existing in the Higher Dimensional World. Therefore [ but also in many other ancient writings] the relation between ‘symbolism’, ‘images ‘ and their real-time counterparts should be considered.

---So.. what about that Hidden Real Moon ?---

Though the Book of Henoch is apocryphic , its not Gnostic – since the Bible refers to Henoch.
The first sentence is a peculiar one: “to all those who live in the endtimes“ - that is: right nów.
Henoch appears to support the ‘gyroscopic model ‘ - speaking about ‘gates where the sun and moon leave and enter ‘ ; probably indicating that “both sun and moon are part of 1 separate ring“.
Yet, inbetween describing their movements, he states empathically 3 times that “the moon is the SAME large size as the sun“ .

So…we have a problem here.

Why did Henoch make such a point of his painstaking descriptions ? - after he declares that the information is “..for the end times “ ?
Perhaps he was but a peasant, not understanding much of science, and described what he saw but allegorically. But...perhaps he knew very wéll what he saw ! And, for some reason, it was important, that wé see the same ! Perhaps he mént to show that the present moon is not the real one,
And it is important to find the real moon ..?
but why ?

----Sómething s wrong with our present moon---

We all know the anomalies of the present moon - many sites as [moonanomalies.com] show that, so we wont repeat them here.
The slavonian-aryan Vedas mention "the existence of 3 artificial moons in the far past – two of them being shot down" ; this story is similar to the "artificial moon of Atlantis being shot down, and crashing onto earth"
[whereby supposedly earths axis tilted 23 degrees, like she still is] . So – however unbelievable, the concept of "artificial planetary bodies" is a possibility : remember only the strange moon of Saturn, Iapetus.

For those, who refuse to believe in Atlantis or artificial moons,
the next problem then is “history itself “ - like the Pelasgians; people, who were said "to have lived in the time when Earth had no moon“ - dr.Velikovsky has collected numerous examples from over the world about a pre-moon era.

--- Ancient Pantheons of cultures and the ‘moon’---

Then starts the Sumerian era – 4500 bC ,
And the moon-god Nanna [ or Sin ] is "the first son of the main deity" , making him more important then the
sun-god; that may be an important clue -



Curious about Sin, aka Nanna, that he has as attribute some unclear defined "Tripod" .
..now... where we ve seen a "tripod" as well ?



...several weird structures on this moon... ' the tripod '.... ' the castle'... etc
What is the connection here..?

[cont below]

[continued[

Now it may help you, to accept [as I do - but, for yóu, perhaps as that hypothesis i mentioned above] that there is 1 biblical God, and the "opponents" [Evil] founded all the ancient pantheons, in different parts of the world. Though those pantheons appear different, they are exactly the SAME deities – just with different names.
If you d study their separate attributes, you will recognize that "Vishnu" for example is "Anubis", etc etc.
So if the Sumerian Nanna obviously was related to the present moon [‘Luna’] , then we re not surprised we find Luna back in Egypt as well – perhaps even as far back as 10000 bC,



---Consciousness creating Matter : Matter Influencing Consciousness---

So…whý the pantheon of ancient egypt was so preoccupied with this geometry ?
We know the pyramid works as a resonator ; its main goal being "to change the perception of consciousness" . Consciousness is represented by platonic solids - whereby the Cube is "Consciousness itself", and the several other platonics are merely "types of consciousness" .
The Cube we find back in the "heavenly Jerusalem" , as well in the "kaaba" , the allspark from the movie Transformers, the black Fermilab with the accelerator, or the "cube of Metatron", etc.
Other solids, like the dodecahedron, represent "Earths creation" ; etc [it should be an interesting study to find them out] ; compare the platonic solids on the eastern chakra system.

The Energy that underlays all of the Cosmos, first forms the "framework" of platonic solids, before it will "freese" into Matter. It appears that the Spoken Word [vibration] creates the desired platonic solid; and the Energy then "freezes" into becoming the desired form of Matter, accordingly to that specific Solid
[or perhaps better "that LightEnergy is phasing-in-and-out from Dimensions, within that framework of the solid“] .



..now please look again at the pyramids earth-moon geometry:
The earth is a sphere [but a Cube being her Consciousness], and the moon is added to it, in the geometry of the pyramid in above picture. They form a "unity"now - the Cement being the sacred geometry - between the Earths circumference, Luna's, etc.
The next step, is that the *spiritual* [ Energetic] geometrical concept of metatrons cube can be formed.
The several smaller circles that are surrounding the centre [from whereout the straight lines construct a new type of platonic solid, i.e. "Consciousness"] are "multiple Lunas" , arranged in concentric circles, with Earth remaining in the CENTRE.

What is the point here ?
… that this whole playing with "the Luna moon" is to can construct Artificially yet Legally [and then i mean legally, according to spiritual law] a false Matrix around Earth. A Hologram, called euphemistically "Flower of Life" - but what will turn out to be a spiritual Prison for mankind. And this was done by bringing a real-time [though artificial] Luna into orbit, therefore gaining the spiritual Legal Right to fabricate the energetic-geometric directioning of Energy, to be completed as Metatrons cube.
- more about that later - lets return;

---But what was the point of placing the present moon into its orbit, until now ?---

Until the flower of life [Consciousness prison] will be functioning, the very fact of "merely háving an artificial moon like this one circeling around us" may have changed our perception alréady, since thousands of years. The answer may lay in the fractal working of everything in the universe. Compare the orbit of electrons around a nucleus: take one electron away, and the energy signature of the atom changes. Perhaps this can work the same for "placing a moon around earth" : the electric signature changes – and I refer to the "holographic signature" . So it may have very well been purpetrated in order to *block* us seeing the real world that is out there - or at least "to can see sóme of it" .
Besides - if Henoch is right: then is it impossible to assume, that "by placing this Luna, the REAL moon became obfuscated" ..? or “invisible“, or “cloacked“ , as you like - in a dimension, that is not perceivable for us who are blinded by the [lower] dimension which Luna caused us to can perceive ..?
What is with the thousands of people who dreamt about "the appearance of a second moon" ? All fake, or pointing to something real..?

[continued below]

reply to post by Lone12


Right now what you say is just a story. I can't prove that you are right, any more than I can prove the textbooks and what I have been taught in school is right, because I have (personally) never been in outer space and have never seen these things for myself; however, it is much more comfortable for me (everyone) to think that what you say is a story, because to find out differently would be such a shock--people would have to accept that everyone has been lying to them forever; so, therefore (right or wrong) what you say will remain just a story.

[continued]
...in a moment, the startling Sumerian proof; but first -

---History of heliocentrism---
In spite of the Sanskrit Vedas, which as we saw had the Earth as centre, around 300 AD a dynasty came up in India, named “Gupta“. And, as said, in spite of the Vedas, this dynasty teached "heliocentrism" .
The main king came from the Naga [snake] lineage; and he had "9 advisors“, exalted as "the 9 jewels",
who were doctors and astronomers [ from this dynasty also comes the Iron Pillar of Delhi = Osiris' Djed].
Now who s familiar with old Egypt, sees immediately that ‘ 9 ‘ is no coincidence: it is the Ennead pantheon – meaning, that the same 9 "teached" peoples to embrace heliocentrism.
.. ofcourse the very same way, these "teached" also Pythagoras etc, when he studied in Egypt. Obviously, it was for some reason important, that mankind was lead into accepting heliocentrism.



It was the Arabs, who brought the number 0, as well as heliocentrism, to Arabia from India.
But the West feared the 0, because, unlike in the East, where the 0 ment "nirvana" , the 0 stood in the christian West for the Abyss, the Absolute Nothingness. Likewise, the West resisted heliocentrism: untill Copernicus.

Theres a weird painting of him – above – he is praying, with open eyes, a skull beneath the cross next to him, an astralobium to his right, and the text reads “I don’t ask mercy like Paul, but constantly pray for the forgiveness You gave to the murderer on the cross [next to You] “. It all implies that he was knowing himself to be a murderer: by introducing the heliocentric vieuw. He was originally Polish, familiar with the highly occult Quabbalah , because easterneurope was the seat of that – and the very thóughtline of the Quabbalah made it easier for humans to accept this new, Subjective theory of heliocentrism.

Because don’t forget: heliocentrism is only possible because “the solarsystem can be represented within the Mind“, so, as Thoughtform [only] . Befóre 1500, the western man had a “direct“ relation to Creation - a different consciousness - but when [Evils] "Renaissance" started, the mind was prepared to can accept Totally Abstract thinking – Subjective thinking - and thérefore the heliocentric vieuw became widely accepted:
because Evil had supplied the way of Abstract Thinking into the air - or “into the subconsciousness of the West“ , if you prefer.

To the Arab mind, the 0 and heliocentrism was much more easy to accept: since Allah was a deity who left the earth, and was therefore abstract - hence, the arab thinking itsélf was abstract enough to accept the subjective concept of heliocentrism far before the West was ready to. Or better: "had to be molded to " .

---So.....why the pantheons would GO through all that trouble in the first place..?---

Because it is all about “Evil, manufacturing a False universe before our very eyes“ . It is imperative to understand, that a real war is being played here: one between God, and between Evil – the latter masquerading in all different kinds of "pantheons" in ancient times – and these days as gods directing Soulless Science, consumerism or NewDawn/ET concepts. You may not like the basic template of “God vs Pantheons“ : but it explains very, very much what is happening, and as to WHY.

Evil rules mankind, since the Eden Fall – and likes it to keep it that way : and therefore it makes sense that Evil wants to propagate the heliocentrism: since accepting it means also having to accept an endless and cold universe, where Heaven or God can impossibly exist.
So, this heliocentrism is a Lie , a Spell – capturing everyone - because it presents a most Subjective, Individual world. And the rulers of subjectivism in the Mind , and the common subconsciousness are… yes, the Grigorii – Evil. The latter’s only Goal, is to let people to "believe" ány concept of Evil - yes, also "scientific concepts; and even its false what they see with their natural eyes ! ] , because the only 1 thing, Evil is interested in:, is the human Belief. Because with that, with humankinds False Belief concepts, he gains Legal Right towards God – and he don’t care he tricked humankind : he gleefully lets US to imprison OURSELVES.

The second point is; that the male and female human, as created in Paradise, had a stunning being - and *represented* both the earth and universe. As in “Two Major Attributes” , Gods "feminine" and "masculine" . That’s important to remember [ more about that below ; and please don’t confuse both above with "evils Dualism" - that’s quite something else] . So the Earth itself *is* the feminine – and Eve represented that feminine, and Inverse. Likewise, Male represented the sky and universe – and here comes in a moment the Real Moon in play…

[ sumerian proof - continued below]

Don't you think we would have discovered a hidden moon by now? We do have means of sending crafts quite into outer space which transmit data back to us. I'm just saying, it would be rather hard to cover up such a thing, nor would there be much purpose behind such a cover up.

Also, who would honestly go through the trouble of creating a fake moon, and why? The old "Earth is a spiritual prison, hurp-a-durp!" argument? Please don't go there.

The nice thing about science is that it offers us understanding. Understanding of our surroundings and how they operate. The only thing religion offers us is faith and some interesting stories.

Furthermore, the shear physics of having a larger moon obfuscated by an artificial one simply don't make sense.

The heliocentric model of the universe is pretty widely accepted because we have observed other solar systems which are heliocentric.

For the love of god, please take a physics, or even an astrophysics, course. It will shed light upon all of these things. There is a reason why they are accepted, it's because they can be tested. Scientists don't just take a hit of the substance which must not be named and make up crazy stories, they actually put time and effort into making discoveries.

[continued]

----Shocking proof: Sumerian Enuma Elish , Babylonian "7 tablets of creation"---

Sitchin [having an agenda] attempted to allegorically point the attention, by his translation, to "some planets and history far away" . Michael Heiser showed already that parts of that translation has "flaws" .
But no-one seems to perceive that the Enuma Elish is about THIS earth: and more specifically: about "the destruction of the biblical Paradise world".
When you would read the other Sumerian works, like "the exploits of Ninurta" , you will find similar story, told gleefully by Evil itself, how he, as Saturn [Ninurta] went to destroy paradise, and how he conquered Agag
[Adam]. "Ninurta” is nothing but an epithet of "the rule of evil“, just like Saturn, Osiris, Horus, Marduk, Ninurta – they all imply that same epithet.

from: [sacredtexts.com] , i considered it open copyright mods -
[ mine in (…oval..) brackets]





9. [He (marduk) went] and standing before Anshar (satan) , the father who begat him,
10. [All that] Tiamat (the earth) had plotted he repeated unto him,
11. [Saying, "Ti]amat our mother hath conceived a hatred for us, (because now Eve was the Legal ruless , and represent of Earth: therefore Earth was under hér rule)
12. "With all her force she rageth, full of wrath.
13. "All the gods (angels) have turned to her,
14. "[With] those, whom ye created, they go at her side.
15. "They are banded together and at the side of Tiamat they advance

…then,

22. "With poison instead of blood she (God ; remember this is Evils story !) hath filled their (adam and eves) bodies.
23. "Fierce monster-vipers she hath clothed with terror,
24. "With splendour she hath decked them, she hath made them of lofty stature.
25. "Whoever beholdeth them is overcome by terror,"
26. "Their bodies rear up and none can withstand their attack.
..then comes an important point:

34. She (earth/Eve/Gods feminine) hath exalted Kingu (meaning: “moon“, the REAL moon – Henochs one !) ; in their midst she hath raised him to power.
35. "To march before the forces, to lead the host,
36. "To give the battle-signal, to advance to the attack,
37. "[To direct] the battle, to control the fight,

…this shows that the ‘ real moon ‘ is ‘ Adams / the Masculine Attribute .. which is about Rule and Dominion


38. "Unto him [hath she entrusted]; in costly raiment she hath made him sit, (saying):
39. "'[I have uttered] thy [spell], in the assembly of the gods I have raised thee to power,
40. "'[The dominion over all] the gods have I entrusted [unto thee].
41. "'[Be thou exalted], thou [my chosen spouse],
42. "'[May they magnify thy name over all of them ...] ...'
43. "[She hath given him the Tablets of Destiny, on his breast she] laid them, (saying):
44. "'[Thy command shall not be without avail], and the [word] of thy mouth shall be established.'

… so… [Gods] Male Attribute, Adams Attribute, is about ‘ commanding by the Word ‘… ruling by the Spoken Word… [but yes he Fell – and the Lord had to Undo that fall – Rev 19:13]
Besides – Henoch also describes these ‘stone tablets‘… where all of the future of mankind is written on

45. "[Now Kingu, (thus) exalted], having received the power of Anu,
46. "Decreed the fate [for the gods, her sons], (saying):
47. "'Let [the opening of your mouth] quench the Fire-god;

…this "opening of the mouth" is EXTREME important – we come to that, later on -
Next, "marduk" shows his worried compagnions, the Igigi, what trick he will use, to seduce Eve,

22. "To destroy and to create (destroy and re-create something false !) ; speak thou the word, and [thy command] shall be fulfilled.
23. "Command now and let the garment vanish;
24. "And speak the word again and let the garment reappear!"
25. Then he spake with his mouth, and the garment vanished;
26. Again he commanded it, and the garment reappeared.
27. When the gods, his fathers, beheld (the fulfilment of) his word,
28. They rejoiced, and they did homage (unto him, saying), " Marduk is king! "

..in other apocryphe books, satan morphed 3 x into a humanoid, in front of Adam, which confused the latter much; until God showed him, it was satan disguising himself – so the "commanding the garment" above must be that the snake-like [you know those snake Sumerian statues] took for himself some , to Adam acceptable, disguise

in following post comes the [ to me ] heartbreaking story of marduk having caused the Fall –
and also the proof of our present artificial moon -

[continued below]

Wow, this is very interesting. I have read, "The lost Book of Enki" and recognize some of the names and phrases, but you seem to have stitched whole ages and gods together to form a template of some sort in order, impressive! I look forward to reading more on what you got, its very interesting indeed. I love these kinds of subjects, it somehow ties into my understandings of the Underground empire theory and hollow earth theory with Ancient advanced civilizations in the mix.
Thanks again, S&F

[continued]

100. And her ( Tiamats/Eve’s) courage was taken from her, and her mouth she opened wide.
101. He seized the spear (see further below) and burst her belly,
102. He severed her inward parts, he pierced [her] heart. (‘heart‘ is the Divine Feminine Attribute)
103. He overcame her and cut off her life (her Divine being) ;
104. He cast down her body and stood upon it.
105. When he had slain Tiamat, the leader,
106. Her might was broken, her host (Adam) was scattered.
107. And the gods her helpers (Gods angels) , who marched by her side,
108. Trembled, and were afraid, and turned back.
109. They took to flight to save their lives

..then ‘marduk ‘ removes the Male rule Attribute from Adam –

119. Moreover, Kingu (Adam/the REAL Moon) , who had been exalted over them,
120. He (marduk) conquered, and with the god Dug-ga he counted him.
121. He took from him the Tablets of Destiny that were not rightly his,
122. He sealed them with a seal and in his own breast he laid them.

… im sorry (!) the introduction was somewhat long - it was to show that the Sumerian/Babylonian epos indeed is about the destruction of Paradise. Then comes the [false] “re-creation” of present earth:


135. Then the lord (marduk) rested, gazing upon her (Tiamats) dead body,
136. While he divided the flesh of the ..., AND DEVISED A CUNNING PLAN . (exactly ! that’s why this is so strange topic – because it was indeed “a cunning plan“…! )
137. He split her up like a flat fish into two halves;
138. One half of her he stablished as a covering for heaven. (the sky, until the stratosphere)
139. He fixed a bolt, he stationed a watchman, (Luna ! our present artificial moon !)
140. And bade them not to let her waters come forth. (‘waters ‘meaning here “Gods Heaven”, and to not let them come forth = to prevent a new Paradise coming down onto earth)

…now its getting a bit complicated :

1. He.(i.e. Marduk) made the stations (likely ‘planets of our solarsystem’) for the great gods;
2. The stars, their images, as the stars of the Zodiac, he fixed.
3. He ordained the year and into sections he divided it;
4. For the twelve months he fixed three stars. (perhaps Cepheus – see later on)
5. After he had [...] the days of the year [...] images,
6. He founded the station of Nibir 1to determine their bounds;
7. That none might err or go astray,

….the note says this nibiru refers to "Jupiter" – though "nibiru" can refer to either Jupiter in the text sometimes, or other planets or meanings – but the interesting point here is that Henoch also uses the phrase "they will err or go astray" in relation to the [Real] MOON…..
besides, the phrase "station" and a "bolt".. a bolt doesnt imply just "something important, a key", but is per definition "artificial" , right ?
– and in part II , also the Egyptian Spells use the word "bolt" .. in a most intriguing context !

the story continues about Luna, our present artificial moon:

12. The Moon-god (remember Sin/Nanna ?) he caused to shine forth, the night he entrusted to him.
13. He appointed him, a being of the night, to determine the days;
14. Every month without ceasing with the crown he covered(?) him, (saying):
15. "At the beginning of the month, when thou shinest upon the land,
16. "Thou commandest the horns to determine six days,
17. "And on the seventh day to [divide] the crown.
18. "On the fourteenth day thou shalt stand opposite, the half [...].
19. "When the Sun-god on the foundation of heaven [...] thee,

… some points here: "the sun-god on the foundation of heaven" has to be the original sun [the same one Henoch describes]. Also interesting here is, that Hénochs Real Moon “starts“ at the THIRTIETH day - and NOT, like here, “the beginning of the month“….


….in closing , these two lines still about these Tablets –

(75) The gods [his fathers] ( meaning "the egyptian pantheon") beheld the net which he had made,
(76) They beheld the bow and how [its work] was accomplished.

…the "net" obviously representing the present hologram we live in, and the "bow" representing the Methods of the Egyptian pantheon, who named themselves "the 9 bows" , indicating that the template of the Sumerian/Babylonian pantheon was [based on] the very same Ancient Egypt ennead.
To be more specific: Ancient egypts pantheon are the “stars“ in Henoch – and sumeria/babylon are the “watchers” [from Gen.6] .

next: conclusions so far

[cont below]

[continued - last one for now]

..thank you for reading untill this far...*grin*...that means a lot to me. Really.

see - i m not joking you - well...nor myself, actually.
Yes im aware of the sciences like astrophysics etc : but that isnt my point -
my point is, that " our physical eyes are Spelled - as in Magick, Hypnotism - in what they see

...you know the hypnotic events, when a girl can see the time on her fathers wristwatch,
even another person stands inbetwéen them both, dont you ?
...its THAT kind of Spell i need to adress

see - our physical eyes were once, in Eden, the very Attributes of Sight ;
but since we entered this physical horrible, limited frame, they are, per definition, under Evils rule:
and hé will give us the *correspondence* between "the object we see" and "our consciousness interpreting it"

...do i make sense please ?

look -
i didnt deny there are stars...nor that there arent planets... nothing of that all:
all i said was that Evil has admítted [ because of selfpride] that hé put in orbit this moon ;
naming it " a CUNNING PLAN "

...and the réason was, to create a lower-dimension around us,
so that our Soul would Get Insensitive For Divine Life [ i.e Gods Heaven ]

and the conclúsion must be, that Henochs Real Moon "got invisible" to us.

Many, thousands of dreams on the net describe "the 2nd moon appearing"....

.. there was a "cunning plan"… a plan to obfuscate [ Paradisical] times and seasons, and re-create new ones… by constructing a "net", a holographic lower-frequency matrix… to keep Heaven away from earth… by placing an artificial Luna into orbit

The tablets describe that there came "a station for Bel and Ea" [satan and enki] … these two stations must be "the inner earth sun" for enki/azazel….and the [hidden] REAL moon for Bel… which is the so-called higher ennead/Ascended Masters astral region…
The point is here, that these two are the “two eyes of Horus“ …That is: the inner earth sun = feminine Attribute…..and horus ‘ moon-eye, is the "masculine Rule Attribute"

So – if yóu were Evil….wouldnt yóu “hide“ the masculine Rule, which Adam lost to him..? Think about that… You would perhaps create a situation, in what no human [male] would ever FIND the representation of that Rule…no ? and what better cunning plan, as to "replace the REAL moon" by "an artificial one" ?
It may be very well, that this "added electron", Luna, caused the Real Moon to get invisible… cloaked… but YET is pulling onto earths tides ? as in some kind of energetic aether pull onto earth..

The point here is, that as long Evil still has Its hands on the [represent of] Masculine Rule, it is Évil who rules this world, still – instead of Adam [and, broader, ‘of all males who are His’] …. That is why its vital, to Evil, to not loose the moon-eye of horus..
Now - the Egyptian pantheon herself tells very much about these two Major Attributes, the Moon Eye Consciousness [ Rule] and also the [inner earth] sun Female eye. But perhaps that needs a 2nd thread

also,
there s a deep relation between Saturn and its moons " being the image source of heliocentrism "

...like " saturn reigns over óur perception of how we see this solarsystem "

… . any founded Critic, and suggestions are always welcome; there s a lot of areas im illiterate and ignorant about – that’s why humans, we, are so many, and different : because the Heavenly dimension has so many aspects… see…grin… So – perhaps we can make this Real Moon Case even more substantial
- Hope to see you soon in Part II
[ no copyrights – because its His ‘ - but just a date: summer solstice 2013 – Lone ]


- i ll respond as best i can just give me some time this post was much work for now

Thank you for reading !!!

Originally posted by Arnie123
Wow, this is very interesting. I have read, "The lost Book of Enki" and recognize some of the names and phrases, but you seem to have stitched whole ages and gods together to form a template of some sort in order, impressive! I look forward to reading more on what you got, its very interesting indeed. I love these kinds of subjects, it somehow ties into my understandings of the Underground empire theory and hollow earth theory with Ancient advanced civilizations in the mix.
Thanks again, S&F

you re kind , thanks !

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Don't you think we would have discovered a hidden moon by now? We do have means of sending crafts quite into outer space which transmit data back to us. I'm just saying, it would be rather hard to cover up such a thing, nor would there be much purpose behind such a cover up.

Also, who would honestly go through the trouble of creating a fake moon, and why? The old "Earth is a spiritual prison, hurp-a-durp!" argument? Please don't go there.

The nice thing about science is that it offers us understanding. Understanding of our surroundings and how they operate. The only thing religion offers us is faith and some interesting stories.

Furthermore, the shear physics of having a larger moon obfuscated by an artificial one simply don't make sense.

The heliocentric model of the universe is pretty widely accepted because we have observed other solar systems which are heliocentric.

For the love of god, please take a physics, or even an astrophysics, course. It will shed light upon all of these things. There is a reason why they are accepted, it's because they can be tested. Scientists don't just take a hit of the substance which must not be named and make up crazy stories, they actually put time and effort into making discoveries.

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- i m aware of your objections , thank you for mentioning them DDD

yet i m so fascinated by the higher dimensions - which for myself i ve proof they exist, especially the Heavenly one - that ...um... " i start the other way aróund to make it fit "... see ?

because, its an iron law: *first* a soul "believes something ",
and thén he or she searches (and finds) proof to substanciate that belief. True ?

...be it "your" science... or my thread topic

kind regards

Originally posted by StarsInDust
reply to post by Lone12

 

Right now what you say is just a story. I can't prove that you are right, any more than I can prove the textbooks and what I have been taught in school is right, because I have (personally) never been in outer space and have never seen these things for myself; however, it is much more comfortable for me (everyone) to think that what you say is a story, because to find out differently would be such a shock--people would have to accept that everyone has been lying to them forever; so, therefore (right or wrong) what you say will remain just a story.

..your basic point is very true.

but
all i desired to do....was Make One Thínk... if that succeeded, with this topic, then i m glad already

best regards

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
For the love of god, please take a physics, or even an astrophysics, course. It will shed light upon all of these things. There is a reason why they are accepted, it's because they can be tested. Scientists don't just take a hit of the substance which must not be named and make up crazy stories, they actually put time and effort into making discoveries.

Science also relies a great deal on theory and testing and results, yes. But the point I make here is that there is no scientific agreement on the actual circumstances behind the formation of the "moon" that we see in our sky above the earth. No agreement whatsoever.

Science created 3 crazy made up stories to account for the formation & origins of our moon. This is what NASA says about the moon origin:

There are 3 possibilities for its creation:
1. it formed near the Earth as a separate body
2. it formed as part of the Earth and separated from it
3. it formed somewhere else and was captured by the Earth
Source imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Let's get back to the 4th possibility as presented to us by the OP.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

You seem to have ignored the giant impact theory which is discussed at length in your link.

So, in the beginning from what I gather, there was this massive epic battle between these two forces, on a scale beyond our comprehension, an the evil side won? A tragic tale indeed.....
One would wonder why its so easy to do evil an bad acts but to maintain a virtuous good heart is difficult.
I can say that I would like to think I'm good, risk my life for another, help others. If we had to live by the 10 commandments, then I already messed up, but that doesnt make me evil, just a bad boy I guess.
I wonder how ancient civilizations dealt with this.

Oh how I wish I could of been there, an example of interpretation would be "Battlefield Earth" where in the beginning of the movie, there is an elder describing mans history of the gods coming down and punishing man.....only later to find out it was aliens who came and wiped out man and through them back to the stone age.
I can only imagine what an epic battle that might of been. Much like one of my all time favorite Dreamcast games an RPG called, "Grandia" where a mighty battle took place and everyone assumed the good side won until later the history was revealed and showed that the light side was defeated and that darkness prevailed.

reply to post by Lone12

because, its an iron law: *first* a soul "believes something ", and thén he or she searches (and finds) proof to substanciate that belief. True?

It is certainly not a law in science or philosophy. In those disciplines we begin with the question 'What if such-and-such were true?' and look to see whether the consequences of the assumption are borne out by observation or experiment. If they are, we accept that 'such-and-such' is probably true, but we remain open to the possibility of disproof at any time.

Believing something to be true and then looking for ways to prove it is a guaranteed way to end up with false ideas, such as the ones you expoind above. This kind of wish-fulfilling mystic confabulation is often called 'philosophy' by its practitioners but it is, of course, nothing of the kind.

Very interesting thread. Not sure whether this interpretation is the correct one but starred and flagged for the work and for having an out of the box concept.

The moon is not the same size as the sun, but it does cover the sun perfectly during eclipses, so perhaps that is what was meant.

I believe that what Sleeper said was true, that there are many planets and objects that we don't see.

Ets have much higher technology of ours, we can't break their encryption, oops I mean cloaking.

As a side point, that painting looks a bit like Keanu Reeves.

Originally posted by Lone12

Though the Book of Henoch is apocryphic , its not Gnostic – since the Bible refers to Henoch.
The first sentence is a peculiar one: “to all those who live in the endtimes“ - that is: right nów.
Henoch appears to support the ‘gyroscopic model ‘ - speaking about ‘gates where the sun and moon leave and enter ‘ ; probably indicating that “both sun and moon are part of 1 separate ring“.
Yet, inbetween describing their movements, he states empathically 3 times that “the moon is the SAME large size as the sun“ .

So…we have a problem here.

Why did Henoch make such a point of his painstaking descriptions ? - after he declares that the information is “..for the end times “ ?
Perhaps he was but a peasant, not understanding much of science, and described what he saw but allegorically. But...perhaps he knew very wéll what he saw ! And, for some reason, it was important, that wé see the same ! Perhaps he mént to show that the present moon is not the real one,
And it is important to find the real moon ..?
but why ?

A possible interpretation of Henoch's "real moon" is that he is referring to the Moon encountered within during spiritual ascent towards the eye centre or tisra til.

In astrology, the Moon symbolizes our emotional attachments, and it is these which stand in the way of inner spiritual progress wherein we may encounter the "real moon", of which the earthly physical orb is only a reflecton.

Additionally, the inner Moon and the Sun appear the same size when viewed during inner contemplation, according to descriptions I have read about mystic transport.

Originally posted by Lone12

- i m aware of your objections , thank you for mentioning them DDD

yet i m so fascinated by the higher dimensions - which for myself i ve proof they exist, especially the Heavenly one - that ...um... " i start the other way aróund to make it fit "... see ?

because, its an iron law: *first* a soul "believes something ",
and thén he or she searches (and finds) proof to substanciate that belief. True ?

...be it "your" science... or my thread topic

kind regards

I disagree, I think you need proof to solidify belief, otherwise it's baseless, and thus puts you in bad faith (perhaps better defined as conscious self deception). I have no objection to your desire to believe what you want, I just find it strange that you would knowingly deceive yourself to uphold far fetched and unsupportable beliefs.

Again, if you're fascinated by this stuff, I strongly suggest pursuing the academic side of it. Like I said, science isn't some guys sitting around hitting a bong and playing hacky sack then suddenly deciding that this thing called gravity exists. You could also look into theology since you seem to take an interest in that as well. To validate the strength of your beliefs, you must challenge and test them.