NSA Whistleblower 'Russ Tice' Is Telling It All - important interview - our freedom is at stake!

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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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NSA Whistleblower Russ Tice is telling it all - very important interview - our freedom is at stake!

www.youtube.com...=12

Partial interview -


NSA Spying On – and Blackmailing – Top Government Officials and Military Officers

Washington’s Blog June 21, 2013

We now stand at a very critical juncture with respect to the survival of our nation. What are you going to do about the NSA? Are you all going to just roll over? Or are you going to fight them? Its your call folks - the ball is in your court.

Importantly - Tice mentions the blackmailing of Supreme Court Justices - For me the most important aspect of this is the oft rumored possibility that Justice Kennedy had been blackmailed by the NSA and/or the IRS - hence the reason for his extremely unusual turnabout on the ObamaCare decision.

America is now experiencing what the Russians know only too well, i.e., CHEKA and it is present among us.

Partial quote from Tice interview -

NSA whistleblower Russel Tice – a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of warrantless wiretapping – told Peter B. Collins on Boiling Frogs Post (the website of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds):

Tice: Okay. They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Courtthat I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in theexecutive service that were part of the White House–their own people. They went after antiwar groups. They went after U.S. international–U.S. companies that that do international business, you know, business around the world. They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs that–like the Red Cross, people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few antiwar civil rights groups. So, you know, don’t tell me that there’s no abuse, because I’ve had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know, when I said to [former MSNBC show host Keith] Olbermann, I said, my particular thing is high tech and you know, what’s going on is the other thing, which is the dragnet. The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about, the terrestrial dragnet. Well my specialty is outer space. I deal with satellites, and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that’s how I found out about this.
Collins: Now Russ, the targeting of the people that you just mentioned, top military leaders, members of Congress, intelligence community leaders and the–oh, I’m sorry, it was intelligence committees, let me correct that–not intelligence community, and then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis, and the potential for massive blackmail.
Tice: Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before, that I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on. Now here’s the big one. I haven’t given you any names. This was is summer of 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with, with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator from Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It’s a big white house in Washington, DC. That’s who they went after. And that’s the president of the United States now.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:52 AM
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You know what? It makes me think of this story....


WASHINGTON — Justice Stephen Breyer was robbed last week by a machete-wielding man at his vacation home in the West Indies, a Supreme Court spokeswoman said Monday.
The 73-year-old Breyer, wife Joanna and guests were confronted by the robber around 9 p.m. Thursday in the home Breyer owns on the Caribbean island of Nevis, spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said. The intruder took about $1,000 in cash and no one was hurt, Arberg said.
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.....in a whole new light. It's the paranoia and ATS membership in me, I know...but still.. Think he needed a message sent and this was it? Or..perhaps he didn't get it the first time and needed a reminder that Washington was no safer than his vacation home?


WASHINGTON — For the second time this year, Justice Stephen G. Breyer has been the victim of a burglary.

Justice Breyer’s Washington home was broken into recently, the Supreme Court spokeswoman, Kathy Arberg, said Thursday. No one was home at the time, she said. A housekeeper discovered the burglary on May 4.
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It's amazing, the little pieces that don't quite seem to fit at a given time but then fall into place later as possibly having edges that matched after all. It could all be pure coincidence and bad luck too. Ginsberg was the victim of a purse snatching in 2004, for instance. It happens and they aren't immune either. Still... With current events and revelations? I can't help but wonder. Just what would intimidation at the highest levels LOOK like from the public perspective? Probably like random crime...if we saw it at all, huh?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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The message being, "Keep us funded, keep your mouth shut and do what we tell you, or you find out just how much we know". "And so does everyone else"



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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This has been going on for a number of years.
Now the cat is out of the bag.

And there isn't a thing we can do to change it.

In fact, our freedom isn't at stake any more. It is long gone.
They can do whatever they like now.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:16 AM
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I have to disagree. If our freedom were gone, we'd never heard about any of this. How often did the Soviets hear about even half what the Western nations did regarding their own system's bad acts? I'm guessing just about never. The fact we hear about it at all means freedom is still hanging on. Perhaps only by fingernails from the ledge of the abyss.....but it's still there, begging for our help to stay alive.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:17 AM
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There are only two rules the NSA has to follow:

Rule One: Never reveal the details of your program
Rule Two: See Rule One


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:28 AM
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Given the power of the NSA to blackmail virtually anyone they want to dig stuff up on, the biggest question I have it WHO IS CALLING THE SHOTS AT THE NSA??

This isn’t just a bunch of rogue agents doing investigations at will. This is a concerted effort by the entire organization and we need to know who is driving this bus!



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
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Given the power of the NSA to blackmail virtually anyone they want to dig stuff up on, the biggest question I have it WHO IS CALLING THE SHOTS AT THE NSA??

This isn’t just a bunch of rogue agents doing investigations at will. This is a concerted effort by the entire organization and we need to know who is driving this bus!


I will give a hint - it begins with Z but unfortunately, its a taboo topic. Any serious mention of them might mean that the violator would have to scrounge up another screed-name


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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You want the really scary version? President Eisenhower was right and it's come to drive itself.


We should have all paid heed to the outright, clear warning by one of the only 5 Star Commanding Generals in our nation's history. The man knew what he was saying by having been at the heart of it, then in charge of it. I think the public probably just thought he'd gone 'a little funny' after so many years under stress. He was begging the people to wake up..even then...to the self perpetuating monster it could all become. Now we have the cookie monster to the 10th power and we're the cookies.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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Where the NSA has no specific information on a person's location, analysts are free to presume they are overseas, the document (leaked by Snowden) continues.




"In the absence of specific information regarding whether a target is a United States person," it states "a person reasonably believed to be located outside the United States or whose location is not known will be presumed to be a non-United States person unless such person can be positively identified as a United States person." If it later appears that a target is in fact located in the US, analysts are permitted to look at the content of messages, or listen to phone calls, to establish if this is indeed the case.



This seems pretty consistent with the adminstration's method for determining the difference between "militants" and civilians: assume everyone is a legitimate target, until a post facto review shows otherwise.

I hope you are keeping up with Glenn Greenwald's column.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by butcherguy
 


I have to disagree. If our freedom were gone, we'd never heard about any of this. How often did the Soviets hear about even half what the Western nations did regarding their own system's bad acts? I'm guessing just about never. The fact we hear about it at all means freedom is still hanging on. Perhaps only by fingernails from the ledge of the abyss.....but it's still there, begging for our help to stay alive.

A lot of people think that the government let this cat out of the bag themselves. Who knows?
Someone has the rest of the power structure by the balls. Who, I don't know.

But as I have stated in other NSA related threads, we could riot and march on Washington DC, and they would pretend to kowtow to us. They would tell us about how the spying on the American people was being put to a stop. then we would shout 'Hurrah, we won!' and the government would keep the same system in place and keep on spying.

How would we know any different?
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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I have to disagree. If our freedom were gone, we'd never heard about any of this. How often did the Soviets hear about even half what the Western nations did regarding their own system's bad acts? I'm guessing just about never. The fact we hear about it at all means freedom is still hanging on. Perhaps only by fingernails from the ledge of the abyss.....but it's still there, begging for our help to stay alive.

A lot of people think that the government let this cat out of the bag themselves. Who knows?
Someone has the rest of the power structure by the balls. Who, I don't know.

But as I have stated in other NSA related threads, we could riot and march on Washington DC, and they would pretend to kowtow to us. They would tell us about how the spying on the American people was being put to a stop. then we would shout 'Hurrah, we won!' and the government would keep the same system in place and keep on spying.

How would we know any different?
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Informed consent maybe the case
Now you know about it, if you don't stop it, they can openly use it



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 12:43 PM
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This thread seriously needs some counter-propaganda.

Enlist today! Your country needs you (to be spied upon).



Skip to the 6.09 mark for a very interesting snippet. "...years ahead...".

So, the semi-attractive, but super-motivated NSA employee (who is really not an actress) just said it, ...at her fingertips...

This feeling of safety is so... unbearable.

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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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Informed consent maybe the case Now you know about it, if you don't stop it, they can openly use it

If they tell us that they've stopped, but continue to do it, we are still hoodwinked.
Just because I suspect that they haven't stopped makes no difference if they have told us differently.

I wonder if they didn't let the secret out themselves so that they could give us a feeling of freedom, when we really don't have freedom anyway.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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I don't believe a word Tice says especially after this tidbit


Then Tice dropped the bombshell about Obama. “Here’s the big one,” he said. “[T]his was in summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator for Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now would you? It’s a big white house in Washington, D.C. That’s who they went after, and that’s the president of the United States now.”


www.theblaze.com...

So it goes from deliberated targeting from 1 admin to another admin doesn't have nothing to do with it.


What way do they want to have it ?
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 04:16 PM
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Great post Op... I mean... I I I I.... oh well... I never heard a word.... eh?


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Very interesting OP, thanks.


On a side note, why exactly was the OP banned? His past posts were never off topic or violating T&C's.

NSA must have hacked ATS and gave him the ban hammer!



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 04:33 PM
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OP,

Your line concerning Justice Kennedy makes no sense. Long thought of as the crucial swing voter in upholding Obamacare Justice Kennedy sided with the dissenters in striking down Obamacare. Affordable healthcare was upheld by the surprising vote by Chief Justice Roberts.


How exactly did NSA bribe Kennedy and how did it influence the Obamacare decision?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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A SC justice doesn't have a super state of the art security system? A common thug can just enter his home? Sounds rather fishy.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by DAVID64
The message being, "Keep us funded, keep your mouth shut and do what we tell you, or you find out just how much we know". "And so does everyone else"



Or is the message, "Push these laws and this agenda and shape the country in this way."?





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