Muslim woman loses her baby in france

reply to post by FlyersFan

So Misbah how woud you feel if I said this .... "I pray to God to keep me alive until the day I see France become a Catholic state. Catholic laws only. Catholic holidays only. Meatless Fridays. No artificial birth control. Anyone not Catholic would have to pay a dhimmi 'protection tax' to the Catholic government. Only Catholic schools for children. Only Catholic prayers in the Catholic schools and on TV. Catholic guidelines for dressing and if those guidelines aren't followed you'd be beaten by Catholic morals police and thrown in jail. Only Catholic bibes allowed and to try to bring a Qu'ran in the country would get you thrown in jail. "

How would you feel if you were stuck living in a society like that?
That wouldn't be fair at all and it would be a nightmare for you, wouldn't it?
That's exactly how non-muslims feel when they read a post like yours.

If majority of people want that , I would have to attend on my foot and travel to another country.

And it will only get worse.

Violence and intolerance beget violence and intolerance. Hence why moslems cannot peacefully coexist with non moslems - i.e., 'peace' in Islam can only be achieved in a wholly Islamized society.

There is no 'multicultural Islam', only an 'armistice' between moslems and non moslems until there are enough of the former to eradicate the later. It's written so in their dogmatic text.

Originally posted by KarmaComa
reply to post by babloyi

 

The French law is to forbid showy religious signs in public.

So answer me this question then please if you can?

Why are French Catholic Nuns allowed to wear veils in public?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

edit on 23-6-2013 by Rodinus because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by FromMyColdDeadBrain
And it will only get worse.
Violence and intolerance beget violence and intolerance. Hence why moslems cannot peacefully coexist with non moslems - i.e., 'peace' in Islam can only be achieved in a wholly Islamized society.

it is true that Islam is not a religion just to pray, but it has some tools for governing and society. I think republic has a deep meaning. when a majority is muslim what is wrong with Islamized society ! Imperialism and Communism and other man made Ideologies consider Islam not a religion but a rival !! however it is still a potential, we have not seen any true Islamic or even Christian or Jew governing yet !

There is no 'multicultural Islam', only an 'armistice' between moslems and non moslems until there are enough of the former to eradicate the later. It's written so in their dogmatic text.

it is not written in their text. these are muslims who are victims of radicals and suicide bombers, they are being killed and eaten ! (yes being eaten) by corrupted monarchies and colonialists and their deaf and blind followers !
yes it is written in the book of colonialism that people of middle east (which most of them are muslim) should be eradicated, those who are a barrier for colonialism.
how can we underestimate the concept of pious leadership ! while the problem of humanity has been always the corrupted leaders !!!

reply to post by mideast

Hey mideast and walaikum salam!

Keep hope, and keep doing what you're doing, and don't worry, most people here are fairly intelligent. Very often when some discussion is going on, people PM me here, telling me that they realise that the person I'm talking with isn't interested in the truth, and is just trying to instigate pointless arguments and incite disharmony.
I don't know why people who do this stuff do it, but others recognise that, and realise what it is, so don't worry!

reply to post by FlyersFan

you said Nazism, I remembered this !
Outrage over Pregnant Muslim woman killed in German court !

He (the racist) told the court shortly before he killed her: "I cannot be accused of insulting a person because people like her are not really human."
After the case was heard Mrs El-Sherbini made to leave the court when the stock controller lunged at her with a seven-inch knife.
A police officer testifying in another courtroom ran to the scene and mistook Mrs Sherbini's husband for the attacker and shot him in the leg. www.telegraph.co.uk...

I do not know wheather I should laugh or cry !!! however Racism is deep today. and the word Nazism is weak to describe that.
I usually encounter people on ATS who are condemning Sharia law ! most of people are western here. why are they so critical of imposing Sharia law in their country ! muslims are not the majority in such countries. who want to impose Sharia law on them !!!
even if we say that eastern immigrant child birth is faster than western citizens, so this is not the crime of immigrants. why do not their governments limit the immigration rate and help people and encourage them for having children !
what about the Zombieland !!!

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n


Or do values like "freedom" and "equality" stop applying when it comes to Muslim women?

What nonsense. Values, laws and constitutions, do not make a country! People, is what makes a country! People have every natural born right to resist genocide and the destruction of their people in part or in whole.

Charlemagne settled this issue long ago, and the battle of Venice reinforced it.

reply to post by korathin

People have every natural born right to resist genocide and the destruction of their people in part or in whole.

What genocide are you talking about?

Originally posted by ObservingYou
It's unfortunate - but veils and Burkha's aren't wanted by the French - if the Muslim community do not like it, they should get the fek lost.

Now granted im not a fan of what Muslim's belief, wife beatings no edu or anything. but they did not deserve that at all. that puts them just as low as a jihad. If you was a Christian would it be ok for me to take away your kids because you have a cross on you? its a simple little thing called Equal rights. If your willing to take others rights away. You should be the first one to lose yours....

reply to post by cody599

I see NO difference in attacking a woman or attacking a man. Man/Woman...fair game True Equality.
I don't approve of this incident, however.

Originally posted by winofiend
reply to post by mideast

 

I've never seen anyone so prone to violence and hate, xenophobic arrogance and segregated isolation in any other religion or culture. Ever.

Sounds a lot like how the U.S behaves overseas today actually.

Originally posted by Rodinus
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I just thought i would add some extra information here :

The young left wing militant who was killed by Neo Nazi Skinheads a week or two ago actually provoked those brainless idiots into beating him up and sadly leading to his death. All of this was blown out of proportion (by all sides of the French political parties) following the recent rise of protestations here in France against gay marriage.)

edit on 21-6-2013 by Rodinus because: Crap spelling again!

Are you actually bringing that up as some sort of sick excuse for what went down that day ,for neo-nazi's ?
I do not agree with woman wearing full body covering clothing not at all actually i think it is downright scarry to see that on the street but i see certain users here reacting immediately with posts of how muslims attacked people too. Purposefully deflecting from the situation presented.

Go back to elementary school and point the finger and run to mommy and daddy while you are at it.


Elaborate posts about how muslims attacked people and then for the sake of looking good 1 line of "i think it is sad this woman lost her baby"

sick.



Go back to elementary school and point the finger and run to mommy and daddy.



Why you avoided in linking ,sourcing and quoting the actually story you "just so happen to mention" is beyond me.

www.theaustralian.com.au...

The incident sent a wave of revulsion through the country's political class amid warnings that extremist forces had been unleashed by the virulence of the national debate on gay marriage.

Clement Meric, 19, a student at the prestigious Sciences Po college in Paris and a hard-left activist, was taken to hospital after a clash with skinheads close to the ultra-right National Revolutionary Youth on Wednesday night.

He was placed on a life-support machine but pronounced dead yesterday. Witnesses said that he fell and banged his head on a metal pillar after being hit with a knuckle-duster after running into the far-right militants at a clothes sale near Saint-Lazare station.

What and how it actually went down :

The debate over gay marriage has coincided with a threefold rise in homophobic attacks in the first three months of the year compared to 2012 and there have been dozens of clashes between right-wing and left-wing extremists.

Eduardo Rihan Cypel, a Socialist Party spokesman, denounced the "fascist violence which is hitting France".

He said: "It is fuelled by all these extremist terms that we have heard in recent months, such as calls for civil insurrection and a bloodbath."

Mr Meric, from Brest in Brittany, was in his first year at the college and was a member of the Action Antifascist group. Friends described him as slender figure, weighing just over 57kg.

A member of Action Antifascist, who declined to be named, said that at the Fred Perry sale he and his colleagues had come "across three neo-Nazi skinheads wearing T-shirts that said 'white power' and 'blood and honour'. We saw them slip knuckle-dusters into their backpacks before going in."

He said the anti-fascist campaigners had "shouted" at the skinheads before being asked to leave by a security guard.

Moments later, the three rightwingers were joined by two other skinheads, he said.

"They surrounded us, got out their knuckle-dusters and threw themselves upon us. We weren't expecting such a combat but we couldn't flee because our backs were literally against a wall."

Serge Ayoub, head of the National Revolutionary Youth, said that the alleged culprits were not members of his movement, although he knew them and had been in contact with them.

If you want to push the idea of provocation you may want to consider this:

your out in the street or a shopping mall as skinheads spreading the messages of "White power" and "blood and honour" openly express this message to you and everyone around them.

You dont think that was the provocation that started all this?
..And you would be ok with that and not feel provoked if a group like that is near you...?

And that would warrant the murder if this 19 year old kid?




You people make me sad , downplaying and deflecting stories like this.

Originally posted by omass
reply to post by cody599

 

I see NO difference in attacking a woman or attacking a man. Man/Woman...fair game

True Equality.
I don't approve of this incident, however.

What about unborn babies?

reply to post by Shadowphile


Seriously Shadowphile, what or WHO do you think i am????

Whatever the cause may be to promote physical or verbal violence, i despise and feel much deep, sincere and heartfelt sorrow for both the agressors and the victims... the world is a mess and has been for many many years and nothing we can say or do will change that fact!

What i had posted was just extra information so that people could see both sides of the story in a nutshell (even if it was a small nutshell), did you read what i wrote in the phrase below?

I quote myself : I for one here in France see more people getting beaten up by angry young jobless North African yobs from the HLM (council areas) than neo nazi supporters. (even if i condone the violence and ideals that these gormless numbheads (all types of religious, idealist or ethnic followers included)* choose to follow).

Thank you for adding the links that unfortunately i did not have time to do.

I am not sure if you live in France or not but I DO and have lived in some of the hot spots where most of the violence has been carried out "especially Marseille"... I invite you to come and live there for a couple of years or two before trying to give me morality lessons!

No need to get conflictual because of a post that you may have misinterpretated

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Ps *this was added to my original quote in the re-edit of this post.

reply to post by Rodinus



The problem i had with reading that first page is seeing people like the one you you responded too, jumping on this attempting to equalize (if you will) the item of a pregnant muslim woman being killed. With elaborate quotes and stories on how "muslim men have done this and that too *sticks tongue out" pretending to care about the news of the woman but, spend most of their posts selling a different story and patting others on the back for doing the same.

I find that rather odd and telling.
That is not to say other stories are not worth a mention but certainly not in the manner and extend that is so obviously shown right there.


I did not intend to suggest that you do this systematically but your post did feed this line and it did so without sourcing your story and without the actual details straight out saying that they brought it on themselves. Which is why i quoted it and detailed/sourced the story you brought up.

Go back to page 1 and have a good look at it maybe you will understand what i mean.


Peace mate.

reply to post by Shadowphile


Thank you for your pertinent and respected comments Shadowphile.

Point taken.

Now shall we forget this issue and let other posters express what they have to say as i do not wish to hog this thread?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

reply to post by Rodinus


Agreed

Originally posted by Shadowphile
reply to post by Rodinus

 

Agreed

Thank you once again for your comments Shadowphile

Edited to add : Hey, i even starred you for your fairplay *wink wink nudge nudge*

Kindest respects

Rodinus

reply to post by Rodinus


Ha

I just done the same but here, have another one

reply to post by Shadowphile

Go back to page 1 and have a good look at it maybe you will understand what i mean.

Maybe that is because members don't look at the truth , they look at the teller and the situation.