reply to post by GargIndia
I think Pakistan is programmed to fail, despite what its citizens think.
No one can deny that Pakistan has very serious problems. And that they have access to nukes - despite ruling over a obstreperous population, makes
many statesman and scientists uncomfortable.
There were Jewish kingdoms in Palestine and Arabia but it was before Islam arrived.
And Islam, like Christianity, failed to extirpate the Jewish religion. Jews still existed in Arab lands. Like Muslims, they faced their holiest site
during prayer: unlike Muslims, the Jews faced Palestine, while Muslims face Mecca.
There's a latter of importance. When your religion is built around one particular place - Mecca for Muslims, Jerusalem for Jews - all other places
take on an inferior quality. Muslims of course revere Jerusalem, but even than, it seem to be more apocryphal in origin - the place where Mohommad
ascended had to be interpreted
as the holy mount in Jerusalem (where Abd Al Malik built the dome of the rock). It's place is ambiguous.
Conversely, the entire Hebrew Bible is built around Jerusalem. The stories of the Torah (5 books of Moses) find their denouement in the books of
Samuel. The city of David - Jerusalem - is far more significant to Jews than it is or can be to Muslims - so long as the Hajj is to Mecca, and so long
as their no religious requirement - as there is for a Hajj - to see the Dome of the Rock (although the most faithful Muslims try to do that as
Besides. What is the point here? Jerusalem in a two state solution would like be divided between both countries. Although, I find that a bit
distasteful given the lack of true connection with that city, still, it seems to be a big one for Palestinians.
But, if Jerusalem were not a part of the package deal - Ramallah becoming Palestines capital - the Waqf would not lose control of the Dome of the
Rock. Muslim rights would be preserved, as would Christian rights, or the rights of Bahai to worship at their shrines in Acre and Haifa.
A true democratic country acts this way, and Israel has a very good track record respecting and defending the rights of it's religious minorities.
The Judaism as a religion has lost due to its exclusionary approach
In case you haven't noticed, I know a lot about Judaism (and quite a bit about Islam/Christianity as well). Judaism is not simply exclusive,
although, a laymen might come away with that impression. But on closer analysis, it actually turns out to be both. Both universal AND exclusive. The
first chapter of the Book of Genesis talks about the Creator God Elohim creating the earth in 6 days and resting on the 7th. The entire story begins
from the ontological category "universal", and progresses from then on towards a more exclusive direction.
This is the philosophy and theology of Judaism. It mimics life, you could say. With the creation of the universe, one big homogenous blob (the big
bang) spurted out and differentiation emerged. As the arrow of time progresses, more and greater complexity and subtly emerges, this despite the
paradoxical presence of entropy (which would seem to contradict the law of diversification). Entropy - death - is the great homogenizer.
The true value of Judaism, and I am a big student, deeply interested in it's metaphysics, is the coexistence of contradictory factors: two names for
God (Elohim and YHVH), the universal and the particular, the 1st born and the 2nd born - these are leitmotifs appearing again and again, encapsulating
an interesting philosophical outlook on life. You could say the division of the brain into two separate hemispheres, one sourcing language,
abstraction, and reason (left), the other sourcing emotion, and spirituality, also reflects this basic dualism about life. Were born into a world of
contradiction. With a personality and ego and feelings, and reason, and facts, and science. The fact that our geographical planet has been divided
along similar lines - linear thinking western world and non-linear, holistic thinking eastern world, is also interesting food for thought.Perhaps a
fundamental metaphysical pattern?
To the point: Judaism is not what you say it is: the idea of "I am a Jew", does not devalue you as a Hindu, Christian or Atheist. On the other hand,
a Muslim or Christian has to face the fact that Muslims are not Christians, and Christians are not Muslims. You may both be "universal", but you
both deny each other entry into universal salvation so long as you deny the truth of the other. In short, a Jewish religion is not inherently
xenophobic just because it emphasizes and values difference.
Its practices are primarily a continuation of ancient Atlantis traditions.
uh huh. I didn't realize I was making all this effort while talking to someone who believes in Atlantis