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This is from the Old Testament. When it says "Israel", it means Jacob. The speaker is acting on behalf of the People living in Palestine and are trying to rebuild Jerusalem to its former glory before the destruction by the Babylonians.
Well, Abraham doesn't know them because he's already dead and can't help them. Israel doesn't acknowledge them because they don't believe in the Redeemer. Back then a lot of the Jews thought that only being a descendant of Abraham made them worthy of being a child of God and accepting the inheritance given to Abraham, but this person recognizes the difference and knows who the Redeemer is who will lead them forward from that time on.
That god who they believed was sending the angel that shows up in our Old Testament being labeled as YHWH.
I may regret asking this, but who do you think these verses are talking about in the Old Testament when it mentions "the angel of his presence" and the "redeemer"?
Probably not, but you're not thinking in big enough terms. If every living creature in the universe ceased to exist, would the universe exist anymore? No, because the universe only exists if something is there to perceive it. If there is no more consciousness, there is no more reality or universe.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Where is your proof that something else exists?
“I saw my body lying on the bed, but I refused to believe it was me. How could that be me if I was standing there,” he wondered.
“We know all about you,” one said. “We’ve been waiting for you. It’s time for you to go. Hurry up.”
Howard left the room and started to walk with them down a long hallway, which was very dimly lit – almost dingy. “They took me on a very long journey through a grey space that got increasingly darker and darker,” he recalls.
Howard’s fear and apprehension grew at the same time he lost trust in his guides. “Finally it was so dark I was terrified and I said, ‘I’m not going any farther. I want to go back.”
“We had a big fight and the fight turned into them annihilating me, which they did slowly and with much relish,” he says. “Mostly they were biting and tearing at me. This went on for a long time. They did other things to humiliate and violate me which I don’t talk about.”
When Howard was no longer “amusing” to them, he collapsed on the ground, ripped apart, unable to move.
He lay there motionless for a few moments, completely spent. Then he was surprised by a small voice inside his head that said, ‘Pray to God.’
He thought, ‘I don’t pray. I don’t even believe in God.’
Then he heard the voice a second time, ‘Pray to God.’
Then he yelled into the darkness, “Jesus, please save me!”
Within an instant, a brilliant light appeared that came closer and closer. He found himself bathed in a beautiful light, and for the first time he could clearly see his own body’s miserable condition, ghastly for his own eyes to behold. “I was almost all gore.”
Immediately he recognized Jesus, the King of Kings, the Rescuer, the Deliverer. “His arms reached down and touched me and everything healed up and came back together,” he recalls. “He filled me with a love I never knew existed.”
Then he picked up Howard, like one football player picking up a fallen teammate on the field, put his arms around him, and Howard cried like a baby in His arms. “He carried me out of there and we headed to where God lives.”
Do you mean like that interpretation that you gave for it earlier?
It was prophecy, Dewey! Prophecy that you don't understand.
Normal interpretation is that they are the same, meaning the angel and THWH are the same person. You should try reading ordinary biblical scholarship rather than outdated cult theories.
Unlike you, the person who wrote this story understood that the LORD that is being written about was Yahweh and the "angel OF his presence" and the "redeemer" are Jesus.
Probably no current biblical scholars in mainstream academia believes that what is described in the Torah happened anything like how it says.
Every time something comes up that you don't understand, you claim it as fiction or a forgery.