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I Am Simon Alexandra, The Water Bearer

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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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Any time the word meditate is used in the Bible it's used to mean "contemplate", meaning to think, it is never used to empty the mind of any and all thought so that something else can enter your thoughts.


And exactly what bias source tells you that meditation is only emptying your mind?

Theres many different forms of meditation my dear... And prayer is one of them..

Like it or not...


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 05:03 PM
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The Eastern concept of emptying the mind is not anything close to filling the mind with the Word of God.

Biblical meditation is almost the exact opposite of Eastern meditation.

No where in the Bible does it teach Eastern meditation.

The idea of emptying the mind is clearly NOT biblical.

The goal behind Eastern meditation is emptying the mind.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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Clearly neither of you have Any idea what you're talking about...

So i think i'll just let this issue be...

:shk:



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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I find your signature ironic. You agree that religion destroys spirituality, yet you believe almost everything the biggest one teaches.

Very ironic.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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I'm sure there's people today who use meditation as some kind of relaxing technique, but look at the people in this thread. These people are "talking" to someone whether it's through mysticism, magic or esoterics. My guess would be that meditation is on the lower scale of those who are speaking to spirits based on what I hear and see everyday, but you can not deny the number of people who are "talking" to spirits.

ETA: And as far as the people who speak about the "pineal gland", I think we both know what stimulates that.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:20 PM
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OK, you seem to not grasp.

First of all, the gnostics are the original Christians, but the world's mismanagers are also gnostic of a sort. So duality is their game, and white hats/dark hats. More of a fundamentalist duality, for I don't see negative in it, more inner and outer, and choosing to grow in joy, happiness and peace and influence others around you via Positive and Goodness.

But its really simple. Don't run off and join any mystery school over this, and some still choose to be in their Church's too, if they use discernment and cherish the Love and STO, its intent of heart that matters.

But the real goal is DEPROGRAM, all of it. So mystery school programming, throw it out. It's distortions. Religions are codes and distortions, (don't throw the love and good things out though, for faith in God and Goodness to me is a real plus in life).

Be water, meditate, and seek.

Matthew 13 is all about this:

1. all the weeds and programmings and burdens, rushing about uselessly, and distractions, traps and materialism bogs people down.

2. a mention on talents, basically we're supposed to grow our gifts and help others with them, not let them stagnate.

3. at the end, Christ says, that if people simply turned to God and asked for their eyes and ears to be opened, this would happen.

So, thats the way. No one is telling you how to go about life, but to seek. Knock on that door.

But deprogram means, assume everything you know is wrong, empty your cup.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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Yes i agree prayer is one of them. I always begin my meditation with prayer.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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What activates the pineal gland? Because I've always heard that you activate it through meditation.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Akragon
 


Yes i agree prayer is one of them. I always begin my meditation with prayer.


Absolutely!

Prayer helps in guidence... Which i also use before meditation

Prayer is speaking to God... Where as meditation is listening

I get a kick out of these people who think it leads to demon possession... Yet it seems to me the only people who have a problem with demon possession are the hardcore catholics

Now thats irony


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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Unity, can you tell us what your typical prayers consist of and who you pray to?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Personally, I think there's a big difference between speaking to demons and being possessed by one.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
What I'm seeing here, despite some good writings, and points, is just one more way, of trying to own, the Christian message, and trying to bring in fundamentalism again, when its not fundamental, its about inner processes.


The Christian message? Are you talking about an individual part of 'their message' in particular? If so which any number of hundreds of other religions predating it by thousands of years might beg to dispute Christianity as having ownership. Or are we talking about 'the totality' of their message? In which case 'Christianity' doesn't even have a message of its own, it it a carbon copy loaned to them by the Roman Catholic church.

But lets move on to 'messages' anyway then. What IS the message you feel I am plagiarizing from Christianity.

Because firstly you are going to run into one massive problem. I offer no deities, I do not command fealty and I am not asking anything for presenting people with my understanding. This means even at the most fundamental levels, i am nothing like Christianity who commands fealty through a deified man, and wants to sacrifice unto him and his Church in order to 'buy' redemption. What I offer is nothing like Christianities message.

The only divinity I have claimed is in having a higher understanding of Universal processes that form the bridge between science and spirituality, that were taught to me directly FROM ascended masters making it possible for me to gain the understanding I have today. Through the process of receiving my second ascension I received memories of my past life and; it just so happens to be that I was Sananda, who was stolen and paraded around like a puppet for a religion that wasn't of his own beliefs.

So if you boil it right down to basics Christianities message is, "You better do this list of things we say, and pray to someone dead that was alive, who could save you, if he were still here but he's not, so that when you die, you don't go to a place of agony and burning hell that he may have to send you, because he loves you."

What I am offering is that the very key to finding your divine connection with everything in this Universe is through purity of love and good will to the Earth and fellow man.

The biggest difference between the two, is that I do not expect anything from any of those who come to me seeking a connection to their divinity. I'll answer anything they'd like me to, free of expectation and judgement. And secondly, this way actually works. Christianity does not.

And yes I make demands of their Church, but this is because they destroyed my legacy and grace of my name and beloved. They horde the wealth of the world for nothing. I will redistribute it.

Even now as i post this the Vatican are re-appropriating their funds with a little purple I see.

They honestly think I do not know every single thing they do!

I say to you Rome, YOU WILL NOT BACK OUT OF THIS ONE!

Stop looking for other options as I have left none other open to you.

YOU FALL SOFTLY NOW! With a graceful whimper, OR YOU SHALL FALL HARD.

And to those trying to assist in concealing their ill-gotten wealth:
I can see exactly who you all are, and I can now see the types of things you have done, all the way back to when you played both sides of the field to take the New World.

I would suggest that you leave Rome to fall upon the blade of their own doing,
lest my gaze become more intently fixed upon your own pasts.
Return every penny to where it was, I am well aware of every cent.

I tell you now once again Sons of Rome; restore the divinity of my beloved.
My patience is now by Gods grace alone.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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Well.. Personally...

I feel speaking to demons is on the same level as speaking to the tooth fairy




posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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What activates the pineal gland? Because I've always heard that you activate it through meditation.


Although I am lead to believe this experience is quite different for all people;

Mine was quite a painful process. Around an hour of laying in bed feeling like it had ruptured in the back of my brain, ending in white noise type of vision, then a relieving 'popping' feeling inside your head and the pain is gone.


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by BornOfSin

In which case 'Christianity' doesn't even have a message of its own, it it a carbon copy loaned to them by the Roman Catholic church.





But lets move on to 'messages' anyway then. What IS the message you feel I am plagiarizing from Christianity.


You're rewriting Bible scriptures for starters. You claim that Jesus stumbled and that you're supposed to pick up where he left off. Or have you changed that message already?


Because firstly you are going to run into one massive problem. I offer no deities, I do not command fealty and I am not asking anything for presenting people with my understanding. This means even at the most fundamental levels, i am nothing like Christianity who commands fealty through a deified man, and wants to sacrifice unto him and his Church in order to 'buy' redemption. What I offer is nothing like Christianities message.


In your other thread you told us that the next Jesus was coming and not to mistake him for the anti-christ and accidentally kill him....again. Plus, you said that Jesus was one of seven sons of the Feminine/Mother God, who rules over all.


The only divinity I have claimed is in having a higher understanding of Universal processes that form the bridge between science and spirituality, that were taught to me directly FROM ascended masters making it possible for me to gain the understanding I have today. Through the process of receiving my second ascension I received memories of my past life and; it just so happens to be that I was Sananda, who was stolen and paraded around like a puppet for a religion that wasn't of his own beliefs.


Uh, you claimed to be the next Messiah who was going to wipe out Islam for it's false doctrine by your own hand and doing.


What I am offering is that the very key to finding your divine connection with everything in this Universe is through purity of love and good will to the Earth and fellow man.


So, you've backed down.


The biggest difference between the two, is that I do not expect anything from any of those who come to me seeking a connection to their divinity. I'll answer anything they'd like me to, free of expectation and judgement. And secondly, this way actually works. Christianity does not.

And yes I make demands of their Church, but this is because they destroyed my legacy and grace of my name and beloved. They horde the wealth of the world for nothing. I will redistribute it.


Now we're back to the Messiah complex again.


Even now as i post this the Vatican are re-appropriating their funds with a little purple I see.

They honestly think I do not know every single thing they do!

I say to you Rome, YOU WILL NOT BACK OUT OF THIS ONE!

Stop looking for other options as I have left none other open to you.

YOU FALL SOFTLY NOW! With a graceful whimper, OR YOU SHALL FALL HARD.


So, what happens next Thursday when they don't make the huge announcement about Mary's real role in the church and offer their apologies?


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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Well.. Personally...

I feel speaking to demons is on the same level as speaking to the tooth fairy





Lucky you, unfortunately, a lot of people that you speak to here on ATS don't feel the same way.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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Many attempt to learn the teachings offered, but end up collapsing under the weight of what they receive. They can end up crazy or suicidal.


Well, your words speak for themselves.


Yes, they do.

It takes an enlightened understanding of the world in order to be born of light. For opening yourself to greater understanding without love and purity in your heart leaves you open to darkness.

Such as it is, that Christianities restrictions form an ironically beneficial safety net from preventing those such as yourself who are still possessed of an archaic spirituality that keeps them firmly disconnected from the rest of the collective mind of humanity, is a GOOD thing.

Hence it not see you enter upon something you would certainly fail in.

And I just wanted to clarify if there happened to be some type of 'point' you were making in pointing out the Ascended Master teachings?

I made no attempt to hide where my understanding came from. I am a 6th initiate Ascended Master. The sixth ray for our generation.

Your 'Jesus' Character also made no secret of the source of his teaching and understanding of all things to achieve his sixth ray Ascended Master.

The only people who have ever taken any measures to prevent people from KNOWING the source of the teachings, are your own Church my friend.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:15 PM
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Such as it is, that Christianities restrictions form an ironically beneficial safety net from preventing those such as yourself who are still possessed of an archaic spirituality that keeps them firmly disconnected from the rest of the collective mind of humanity, is a GOOD thing.


I'm pretty sure your ideas don't line up with the "collective mind of humanity" either.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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Dear BornOfSin, Bernard Schnitzel, The Hidden Hand, 11111, and all the other user names you've chosen in the past, and all the user names you will choose in the future,

I will be the first to admit that you have an amazing talent. If you ever come to a place in your life where screwing with the minds of the most gullible people on the internet bores you, then seek me out and I will lead you down a path that will finally quench your thirst. Until then, carry on my friend.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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I am a 6th initiate Ascended Master. The sixth ray for our generation.



Sixth initiation ("the ascension" or "masterhood")

The Chohans (Lords) of the Seven Rays – Morya (1st Ray), Master Koot Hoomi (2nd Ray), Paul the Venetian (3rd Ray), Serapis Bey (4th Ray), Master Hilarion (5th Ray), Master Jesus (6th Ray), and the Master Rakoczi (7th Ray) – are seven of the beings at the level of the sixth initiation, while their coordinator and communications director Djwal Khul is another, making a total of eight at this level.

All of these Masters are recognized by both traditional Theosophists and those adherent to the Ascended Master Teachings. In the Ascended Master Teachings, Master Rakoczi is referred to as St. Germain.

Siddhis at this level include the ability to teleport, bilocate, or levitate to anyplace on Earth.

According to the Ascended Master Teachings, on January 1, 1956, the Master Jesus advanced from the sixth to the seventh level of initiation and the Lady Master Nada (a lady Master recognized in the Ascended Master Teachings but not in Theosophy) advanced from the fifth level to the sixth level and replaced the Master Jesus as the chohan of the sixth ray.


en.wikipedia.org...(Theosophy)#Sixth_initiation_.28.22the_ascension.22_or_.22masterhood.22.29

Alrighty then.



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