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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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Amen brother.

The american economy is not based on handouts and feelings of love. It's based on business and industry and without it, there is no foundation to help people find work and promote further growth in the economy.

It's reality of the world ( western world) you and I live in.

So get out there and contribute




posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:39 PM
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The Corporations do not create jobs, they eliminate jobs, such as is the current state of affairs, unless you are talking about jobs in China.

At the current rate, it looks like corporations are pulling more money out of the US than they are putting into the country.

Some people are so blinded by the propaganda that they refuse to see what is obvious.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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Tell me another story

www.usdebtclock.org...

Look at current spending on the big 3 sacred cows.

Then look at at unfunded liabilities at the bottom

Top it off with looking at household assets.

Propaganda eh?

The propaganda vilifying corporations?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Here is a related thread, with some information that I think adds to this discussion.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Long term planning enabled the bankers to create their welfare ghettos in the cities (done under Nixon) crime increased to unprecedented levels. The drug culture, spawned by The CIA (controlled by the people who put Hitler in power) put the icing on the cake. This turned the US public against the idea of welfare, stirring up the ani-socialism propaganda. Then came the crowning achievement, the energy crisis, which allowed the bankers to trigger double digit inflation, resulting in the elimination of Usury Laws, which restrict interest rates.

With these crisises put in place by the ICBs themselves, they convinced a new gullible and spoiled public that that laws restricting corporations were the cause of all the problems, along with unions, who then voted in politicians who dismantled the very system that had allowed such great prosperity to exist in the fifties and the sixties.


We probably have witnessed the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of civilization over the last ten to fifteen years as the corporations have robbed the U.S. blind. The more people we can wake up to this massive scam, the sooner we can recover.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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The big three spending sacred cows are:

The military, corporate welfare to protect corporate assets overseas.

Interest on the Debt, more corporate welfare paid to corporate bankers for money created in a computer with a few key strokes.

Medicaid, used to subsidize illegal immigration, that erodes wages and worker rights.

Private sector debt is more out of control than government debt.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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That was funny the big 3 are SS,Medicare,Medcaid, and the newest 1 student loan debt that now accounts for 1 trillion dollars.

Which was in that provided link guess dramatic dogma is acceptable to some, not to me.




n 2010 alone, government at all levels oversaw a transfer of over $2.2 trillion in money, goods and services. The burden of these entitlements came to slightly more than $7,200 for every person in America. Scaled against a notional family of four, the average entitlements burden for that year alone approached $29,000.


online.wsj.com...

Social Engineering/Programs ARE CORPORATE WELFARE.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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Here is another related thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Many I have debated on the issue of corporate control have argued that only government can violate our liberties, but that is not true at all. Corporations were in fact the original form of government in the U.S., and the very thing that the Colonist revolted against.

Which leads to the question.

Are corporations an entity that exists to establish a governing control over the economy, to limit our ability to engage in free enterprise, to control the markets, the money supply, and the ability of individuals to engage in business?

Or

Are corporations the model of true capitalism, creators of great wealth, and scientific advancement, the true form of capitalism, the institutions that have built our great nations?

Or perhaps something inbetween?


There are quite a few links on this thread you might want to check out.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by stormson
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people pay for all those social programs thru taxes.

want the 47% that pay no fed taxes to pay? give them a raise!
want the 47% to get off welfare? give them a raise!

btw, corporations take far more money from the gov than the poor people do in the form of tax breaks and bailouts.


Read what you wrote there?

47% have zero tax liabiilty that means that are getting tax breaks, and credits, and BAILOUTS.

Want people to get off welfare?

Stop vilifying corporations that employ people.



no fed liability. yet they pay local taxes, sales tax, etc. they also pay pay ss/medicare taxes. a higher percentage of their pay is taken in taxes than say exxon, which only pays 7% on 428 billion.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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no fed liability. yet they pay local taxes, sales tax, etc. they also pay pay ss/medicare taxes. a higher percentage of their pay is taken in taxes than say exxon, which only pays 7% on 428 billion.


Think rich people don't pay those?

And no on SS and Medicare a person only pays 6% the employer matches still doesn't cover the money spent hence the 'tax the rich BS'.

Simple fact is no social program is self funding or sustaining 17 trillion in debt proves this as well as 'tax the rich'.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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The US government owes money to SS, not the other way around. SS has nothing to do with the causes behind current government debt.

Medicaid and Medicare go to the Insurance companies owned by the ICBs. These programs are nothing but corporate welfare.

Yeah, it is corporate welfare.

These greedy corporate buggers keep people alive as long as possible to suck every drop they can get out of the welfare teet.

Sad that people continue to cling to long ago debunked propaganda;



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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Employers can not match FICA unless the worker earns that money on top of their salary. Otherwise those businesses would go out of business.

All SS Medicare taxes are paid by the people who received the benefits.

Too bad Income tax doesn't work that way. The middle class would be receiving far more than they currently get out of government, and the corporations would be bankrupt.

How many times do we need to debunk this nonsense?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:17 PM
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The US government owes money to SS, not the other way around. SS has nothing to do with the causes behind current government debt.


Yes it does it has everything to do with debt.

What part of a person is only paying 6% is some people missing that 6% does not come anywhere near of the money gotten back NOWHERE.

Medicare is deducted from that check that doesn't have the funds to cover, or by any other 'tax'.

The difference is made up by taking money from others that still doesn't cover it, where 'make the rich folk pay for it' comes in.

Really what part of this are some people missing?

That is blind ideology.

When the majority of people that those on ss,Medicare, or medicaid are getting more benefits in than they return in to that charlie Foxtrot a deficit is incurred.

That isn't a corporations fault, that is the fault of idiotic government and those who push for social programs in the first place.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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Considering all the fees charged by government these days for any possible service government may provide, nobody should be paying any income taxes. We get nothing back for our tax dollars.

Yet tax and borrow and spend conservatives keep raising taxes on the middle class.

All the middle class income taxes go straight into the pockets of the corporations.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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What part of a person is only paying 6% is some people missing that 6% does not come anywhere near of the money gotten back NOWHERE.


Um, yes it most certainly does. It is an insurance program.

Do you understand how insurance works?

Those who wind up collecting life insurance never pay into the system what they paid in. See if you can figure that out.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:24 PM
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See if someone can figure out how government programs works

Everyone using it hardly anyone paying in to it.

I have had enough of 'no matter what vilify business'.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:47 PM
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

People aren't being sarcastic when they describe the US as a fascist state - it is a sad reality.

Jibjab say it best




posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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Keep arguing, that's exactly how we ended up here.

People NEED certain things, it isn't a matter of WANT, but those who supply those things people NEED, WANT too much for it, many can't even get what they need working a full time job because the prices of nearly everything are so high, and going higher all the time.

Wanna vilify something?, vilify technology because that's where a whole bunch of your jobs went, technology is used in place of workers, a lot of those jobs didn't go to china (some did), they are just gone because those laborers were replaced by computers and machines of other types.

As much as people cry and argue and complain, I can't blame industry for replacing them with happy little humming gadgets and machines, never mind the maintenance costs for people, compared to one technician and a room full of spare parts.

It's not so much about people not wanting to work or pay or anything else so much as it's about an outdated system that doesn't work anymore.

Technology even replaced talking, we have these discussions here instead of face to face, and do a lot of business the same way.

I don't think this is what people thought that those selling them this technology meant, when it was claimed that technology would make our lives easier.

Of course there is a strain on the system social services when so many jobs are no longer there, there are too many people who CAN'T get the resources they need to get by themselves.

Really the whole thing is more about almost everyone refusing to be accountable, I mean, look at how huge the insurance industry is.

We're the chickens, insurance is the fox guarding the hen house, and some say one cannot afford not have insurance, but who can afford to give money away for potentially nothing, which the insurance scammers want.

Reduce the mess back down to something everyone can agree on.

We the People of the
United States, in Order to
form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure
domestic Tranquility, provide
for the common defense,
PROMOTE the GENERAL
WELFARE, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to our
ourselves and our Posterity,
do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the
United States of America.

It's about accountability, not pointing fingers and blaming those less fortunate.

Never mind corporations, they're fictional entities, they really shouldn't exist at all, and don't, but that is one of those things that will never be addressed until things get a whole lot worse.








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edit on 20-6-2013 by MyHappyDogShiner because: ?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 05:04 PM
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Put the healthcare system in the hands of government.....States would do well to administer it...
Fund the overage from the 3%we tax the corporate profits across the board.....
Flat 10 % income tax for those who make somewhat better than minimum wages....
No taxes for those who dont.....



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 05:08 PM
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So corporations control the government...

...But who controls the corporations?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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unelected people - dictating to government - that's why it equated to fascism



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