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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
If all these people have performed so many other miracles, then what exactly is so special about Jesus? Even Peter and Paul raised people from the dead and it's possible that Paul died then came back to life after he was stoned.
Too bad Stephen didn't get the same treatment as Paul.
Originally posted by colbe
She ran to the church to take part in the Mass, while the sheep stayed behind, as instructed. That the sheep stayed together was a miracle, considering there were wolves all around them.
In this way, the most unlikely of saints became recognized by the Church. She didn't found a religious order. She didn't reach a high Church post. She didn't write books or teach at universities. She didn't go to foreign lands as a missionary or convert thousands. What she did was live a life devoted to God and her neighbor no matter what happened to her. And that is all God asks.
Where did colbe even hint that St. Germaine performed the miracles. It seems like they were done to her, or through her, but she didn't command the bread to turn into flowers.
If any old person who believes can perform miracles,
We do see it today. Scientifically, independently verified miracles. Begin with Lourdes for a start.
then why do we never see it today, when we have more access to information than ever before?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by colbe
Dear colbe,
It's a good thing to see ourselves from a new vantage point. Considering the lives of the Saints help do that. It also helps remind us of what is good and Holy in a world which seeks to deny and destroy it.
Might I add a little about St. Germaine?
In this way, the most unlikely of saints became recognized by the Church. She didn't found a religious order. She didn't reach a high Church post. She didn't write books or teach at universities. She didn't go to foreign lands as a missionary or convert thousands. What she did was live a life devoted to God and her neighbor no matter what happened to her. And that is all God asks.
www.catholic.org...
Thank you, colbe. You're a treasure and a blessing, I admire your faithfulness.
With respect,
Charles1952
In an article entitled “The Lourdes Medical Cures Revisited” Bernard Francis, Ester M. Sternberg and Elizabeth Fee provide something closer to a scientific appraisal.[1] They studied 411 patents cured in 1909-14 and thoroughly reviewed 25 cures acknowledged between 1927 and 1976. By “acknowledged” they mean cures that were officially declared “Miracles” by the church. “the Lourdes Phenomena extraordinary in many respects still awaits scientific explanation.”
…the least that can be stated is that the exposures to Lourdes and its representations (Lourdes water, mental images…) in a context of prayer have induced an exceptional usually instantaneous, symptomatic, and at best physical cures of widely different diseases.
Although what follows is regarded by some as a hackneyed concept, any and all scholars of Lourdes have come to agree with one of two equally acceptable—but seemingly conflicting and irreconcilable—points of view on the core issue, are the Lourdes cures a matter of divine intervention or not? Faith is set against science…uncanny and wired, the cures are currently beyond our ken but still impressive, incredibly effective and awaiting scientific explanation. Creating a theoretical explanatory framework could be within reach of neurophysiologists in the next decade…
We reached the same conclusion as Carrel some 80 to one hundred years ago “instead of being a simple place of miracles of interest only to the pious Lourdes presents a considerable scientific interest….although uncommon the miraculous cures are evidence of somatic and mental processes we do not know.”