Bob Dylan and the crucification,All Along The Watchtower

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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 10:45 PM
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There must be some kind of way out of here,"
Said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion,
I can't get no relief.
Businessman they drink my wine,
Plowman dig my earth
None will level on the line, nobody offered his word, hey"

"No reason to get excited,"
The thief, he kindly spoke
"There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late"

All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants, too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl
buisness man there, drink my wine,
Come and take my herb.


I never have given much thought to the lyrics but it seems like he is giving his view of the cross or maybe he was tapped into Jesus on a spiritual level? So what do you think.


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There must be some kind of way out of here," (way off the cross)
Said the joker to the thief, Jesus view as a joker by many and the repentant thief)
"There's too much confusion, (no one knew the truth)
I can't get no relief. (no other choice )
Businessman they drink my wine,( taking the fruit of the land from the inhabitants)
Plowman dig my earth (accepting the curse)
None will level on the line, nobody offered his word, hey" (none speak the real truth)

"No reason to get excited," (nothing can change what comes next)
The thief, he kindly spoke
"There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke (the unrepentant thief and those supporting his death)
But you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate (death is not the end)
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" (anything they say would have been considered a lie)

All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view (the elect that was responsible)
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants, too (men would not want to be associated with him at this point)

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching (two soldiers that ended the suffering)
And the wind began to howl (the holy spirit)
buisness man there, drink my wine, (take the indulgences)
Come and take my herb.(taking away an ease to the suffering of life/spirituality)
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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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I think Bob Dylan wrote the song

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by thesmokingman
I think Bob Dylan wrote the song

en.wikipedia.org...
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Yea something else i didn't know. It makes the joker part make more sense and can give a lead into references he made in other works. There is no doubt in my mind now as to the inspiration for the lyrics.
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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:27 PM
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FAVORITE version of this song:




Bear McCreary and Katee Sackoff (Kara 'Starbuck Thrace)


BSG concert Bear doing the song live

This version of the song gives my chills for some reason
SO SAY WE ALL!!!
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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:35 PM
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Try YOUTUBE, Leonard Cohen, singing SUZANNE, This song says more than Bob Dylan.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:39 PM
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Maybe you were partaking of his "herb".... I dont think it was about the Crucifixion but kudos for creative thinking. BTW, I like Jimi Hendrix's version best.
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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:44 PM
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Maybe you should try harder to understand? I really don't see the down side in trying.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:54 PM
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It is a great song...but I just dont see how it relates to the crucifixion of Jesus except for the commonality of the "thief"...and maybe the "wind howling" (post death of Jesus on the cross) but there is no reference to the cross or divinity in the song. The reference to the "joker" could support a Batman reference and the "two riders" (if on one horse) could be interpreted as a Knights Templar reference so there are other possibilities. Maybe some research on Bob Dylan will uncover what his framework of reference was in writing the lyrics.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 11:55 PM
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I'm sorry, but no version can compare to Jimmy Hendrix's.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:02 AM
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From a site on song meanings:
You guys are getting too in depth. If you ever get a chance to visit New Paltz, NY, the whole first part of the song would make sense. The town and village are famous for its farmers and the visitors from NYC (Businessmen and Plowmen). It is also famous for it's people who love their weed (feel like life is a joke -Burnouts). Upon the mountain top is the Albert K. Smiley Memorial Tower, which dates back to 1923 which is also one of the most famous attractions in New Paltz. The Princes which kept the view are the brothers Albert K. Smiley and Alfred H. Smiley, who are the men that purchased and cared for the lands on which the Watchtower was later constructed on, and which overlooks New Paltz. The last verse about the riders approaching came from his motor cycle accident in 1966 in which a Red Fox or the "Wild Cat" ran in front of him causing him to lose balance and fall off his bike on the hair pin turn of route 44/55 ironically in a perfect view of the ridge or "Watch Tower" this happened on a windy night hence the wind howling. Don't get to analytical, but look into the area and its history, its very interesting!



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:04 AM
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I agree but the OP was writing about the song's lyrics not its performance by different artists.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:10 AM
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I'm gonna play.
OP you got me thinking about this in a different light.
I like that. The thief and the one he is speaking to
obviously know their fate. As he defines most definetly what it isn't.

Hmmmm.....

SnF

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I'm sorry, but no version can compare to Jimmy Hendrix's.


See but the thing is Hendrix didn't write it.
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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:23 AM
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I edited the op a bit to show some of what i think but you do get the gist of it. Surprisingly this did not come by hearing the whole song. I had a vision of sorts of some guys looking on the scene from a high place after i heard the words all along the watchtower and i had a vision of the cross.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:31 AM
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That is really incredible to me considering the similarities i found. To me it says alot about life and what governs everything around us. To think that all those random events could coincide poetically with a story of the cross is just wow. good find
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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
From a site on song meanings:
You guys are getting too in depth. If you ever get a chance to visit New Paltz, NY, the whole first part of the song would make sense. The town and village are famous for its farmers and the visitors from NYC (Businessmen and Plowmen). It is also famous for it's people who love their weed (feel like life is a joke -Burnouts). Upon the mountain top is the Albert K. Smiley Memorial Tower, which dates back to 1923 which is also one of the most famous attractions in New Paltz. The Princes which kept the view are the brothers Albert K. Smiley and Alfred H. Smiley, who are the men that purchased and cared for the lands on which the Watchtower was later constructed on, and which overlooks New Paltz. The last verse about the riders approaching came from his motor cycle accident in 1966 in which a Red Fox or the "Wild Cat" ran in front of him causing him to lose balance and fall off his bike on the hair pin turn of route 44/55 ironically in a perfect view of the ridge or "Watch Tower" this happened on a windy night hence the wind howling. Don't get to analytical, but look into the area and its history, its very interesting!

What if its about both at the same time? PKD in Valis writes about the idea that we are still there, in Rome at the time of the crucifixion, the empire never ended. So elements of the bible stories are showing up in our lives all the time.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 09:22 AM
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I have always loved this song and your take on it OP is twisted. I like it



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 11:01 AM
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just for you
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just for you, now for what we all know it by



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9:
Prepare the table, watch in the watchtower, eat, drink: arise ye princes, and prepare the shield./For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Go set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth./And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed./...And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.
Some have guessed these verses as the inspiration but to me it is not as close as the cross.

The dark, religious tones that appeared during the Basement Tapes sessions also continues through these songs, manifesting in language from the King James Bible. In The Bible in the Lyrics of Bob Dylan, Bert Cartwright cites more than sixty biblical allusions over the course of the thirty-eight and a half minute album, with as many as fifteen in "The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest" alone. An Old Testament morality also colors most of the songs' characters. In an interview with Toby Thompson[2] in 1968, Dylan's mother, Beatty Zimmerman, mentioned Dylan's growing interest in the Bible, stating that "in his house in Woodstock today, there's a huge Bible open on a stand in the middle of his study. Of all the books that crowd his house, overflow from his house, that Bible gets the most attention. He's continuously getting up and going over to refer to something."
en.wikipedia.org...(album)



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by concernedcitizen519
I'm sorry, but no version can compare to Jimmy Hendrix's.


Not saying the Hendrix version is not amazing but the Bear McCreary interpretation has a different feel to it and is such a huge part of the BSG story line..So Say We All!

Here is another version with a different feeling to it...

Lisa Gerrard from Dead Can Dance ...



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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 11:17 AM
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Just as i suspected here is Bob Dylans reference to the joker(jesus)

Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
Freedom just around the corner for you
But with truth so far off, what good will it do.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

So swiftly the sun sets in the sky
You rise up and say goodbye to no one
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread
Both of their futures, so full of dread, you don't show one
Shedding off one more layer of skin
Keeping one step ahead of the persecutor within.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

You're a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds
Manipulator of crowds, you're a dream twister
You're going to Sodom and Gomorrah
But what do you care ? Ain't nobody there would want marry your sister
Friend to the martyr, a friend to the woman of shame
You look into the fiery furnace, see the rich man without any name.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers
In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed
Michelangelo indeed could've carved out your features
Resting in the fields, far from the turbulent space
Half asleep near the stars with a small dog licking your face.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

Well, the rifleman's stalking the sick and the lame
Preacherman seeks the same, who'll get there first is uncertain
Nightsticks and water cannons, tear gas, padlocks
Molotov cocktails and rocks behind every curtain
False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin
Only a matter of time 'til the night comes stepping in.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

It's a shadowy world, skies are slippery gray
A woman just gave birth to a prince today and dressed him in scarlet
He'll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat
Take the motherless children off the street
And place them at the feet of a harlot
Oh, Jokerman, you know what he wants
Oh, Jokerman, you don't show any response.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.





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