The pain inflicted upon the American people is above partisanship. It's about FOOD now.

And For your information, I left the abusive asshole, pregnant and with cervical cancer...even while working wound up Homeless in a new city, not knowing Anyone. Why? I didn't Qualify for assistance and couldn't pay both daycare and rent.

I didn't get Welfare (this was Years ago) until After my daughter was born, I was still Homeless at the time.

Was moved I to transitional housing when she was six weeks old and While I was waiting tables Hemmoraging mind you, the babysitters son threw my other duaghter down a flight of stairs...so I had to leave the job for lack of daycare. When I got welfare, I did not buy junk, nor was I a druggie, Nor did I make a baby just to Get welfare. And Mind you, all the MYTHS about Welfare I heard from misogynists and bigots, I soon found were ninety percent BULLKaki and that Many who abused the System were Full Grown MEN,

NOT single mothers, oh yes, full grown men, some out of prison, on crack, on food stamps, but the System coddles them, the poor babies. Well some of them Did have hellish lives, but I'm trying to make a Point here,

yes I saw abuses, but NOT on the Levels I hear So many spew and majority of it is pure prejudicial crap. By the way I was off welfare and back n my feet less than two years,

And never been back on. But have always been in poverty, income wise, That being said,

For the record, welfare is Not this easy living street that many make it out to be...as for the Abuses, the ones I did see, was in fact MARRIED WOMEN with several kids, yes I saw them, many of them Immigrants, but ONLY IN SOME COUNTIES,

NOT in every county. So it just depends on the demographics, so to Lump all these welfare recipes into this racist sexist prejudicial bigotry of malice, is just that, feeding a myth and Disinformation, because it Doesn't work like that. Every County is different,

If you are Seeing a lot of abuses, then you should REPORT THEM, because there are Numerous people NEEDING assistance and who can't get it, because wait lists are long such as housing, etc. but you need to make sure you Know they are abusing and not just Assuming based on preconceived prejudice. As for the whole car thing,

In the state I was in you were not Allowed to have a car over a certain value. I didn't own a car so it was a no issue for me but many families will lie, However, IF they are pursuing work they need transport, buses don't always cut it.

As for misuse of cards, etc., I can't speak much on those as They didn't come in until way after I was on the system. And by the way, while I hated the whole welfare, I did work, pretty much all my adult AND teen life so, I paid in tax dollars,

And I met many women who were NOT the STEREOTYPE many claim here, Not even CLOSE. And it IS a stereotype. And a Racist one at that and I don't mind saying so. There were a few teen mothers, but after a child they aren't so keen on romanticizing, and A LOT of them I might add, had been Victims of child abuse, child rape, and did THOSE men ever pay? NO.

But that's just One percentage, I met MORE people with disabilities and serious sickness like MS and severe Epilepsy, etc., in the housing and welfare, etc. Some with major head traumas from accidents.

There IS a poverty Industry, won't argue that, but it's NOT the POOR who created it, so if you want to rally about the unfairness which I get that, it Isn't fair that Workers are stuck footing the bill, while they can get no assistance, not even a break,

But the poor I met, Didn't WANT to be there and the Few that did, had other serious issues. The Poverty Industry Exploits that, to keep a percentage, a head...a lot of Charities exploit that, political agendas,

Cutting the poor isn't the answer, Overhauling the Poverty Industry is

There ARE alternatives, such as Coops and autonomous coops jobs, etc., but Counties and States don't want them because Then they wouldn't have the controls over the excess labor pools.

Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by ThreeBears

 

"And Two I raised mostly ON MY OWN with ZERO support from their DEADBEAT FATHER,

I might add.

No child support, Nada, an Asshole Christian I might add, good ole sexist redneck piece of #


Why am I not surprised you resorted to name calling? that's what most of you women do nowadays since yo' baby daddy ain't around.

You leached off the government.Well the taxpayers of the US.

Face it you couldn't take care of them.

A Working MOTHER who what, got some temporary assistance and That makes her a leach?

Good grief,

The MISOGYNY is so thick that a shovel couldn't even dig through it. And it IS Misogyny.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by ThreeBears

 

This is a prime example of why all unions, interest groups and just about any other facetious "rights" groups should be abolished.

Your post highlights the main problem with people's thinking. "Oh workers rights, labour rights, insurance, benefits, lieu days, sick days, blah blah blah"

Yes, women used to contribute to households not by slaving themselves out. And they were respected for it no matter what the dastardly world of twisted reflection on history tells you.

The problem is no one is even willing to work without saying, "What about me?" before putting any effort in.

I hired 6 people last year, ended up doing all the tasks I had set out for them myself. They were useless...

Again that's lumping everything into a generalization, if you had ever read My posts on Welfare Reform you would clearly Know just how way off the mark that assumption is,

Way off.

And I speak as one who Temporarily I might add, was on welfare. There is a Lot of problems with the whole system,

But it's NOT the poor. And it damn sure isn't single mothers...which was why I bothered to reply in the first place,

The Nastiness to the mother who has shared her experience was simply uncalled for, Anyhoo...

Unions were hijacked by Chrony capitalist rackets, that's a whole other Issue in of itself and even there, it's not some blanket issue, some unions are good. Some are horrific, I Don't believe Unions are Owned and Controlled BY THE WORKERS as they SHOULD BE.

As for the Welfare/poverty, I am a firm believer in autonomous COOP communities, Coop gardens, environmental housing, etc. Hardly the Welfare programs we have today.

So uh, see stereo types and preconceived ideas can be way off the mark. Way off.

2 billion dollars is What America spends a week in Afghanistan.

The war in Afghanistan costs US taxpayers two billion dollars a week, according to calculations made by the Department of Defense Monday. Read more: www.rawa.org...

I don't know if that figure is correct, but even if its a month or 6 months its too much, if it means sacrificing support back home to the citizens who have funded these wars.
costofwar.com...

And if we Allowed Autonomous coop communities that could Grow their Own food and build their Own environmental housing etc., run their Own markets (fair trade) we wouldn't even be Having this discussion...

Because in a Truly FREE MARKET there wouldn't BE any barriers to such, from a load of misogynist patriarchal fascist Capitalists who want nothing but to hoard, control, enslave and abuse...the Real LEACHES.

I rest my case.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
2 billion dollars is What America spends a week in Afghanistan.

The war in Afghanistan costs US taxpayers two billion dollars a week, according to calculations made by the Department of Defense Monday. Read more: www.rawa.org...

I don't know if that figure is correct, but even if its a month or 6 months its too much, if it means sacrificing support back home to the citizens who have funded these wars.
costofwar.com...

Well Exactly, but you see supporting WAR and RAPES and OPIUM Trades and CROOKED Governments and Environmental destruction aka MINING (yes they aren't even waiting for the kids blood to be cleaned up they already mining for ores, China too) well now see,

THATS just fine and dandy to those who scream about all those evil baby making machines for cheese.

Yea it just gets me, the HYPOCRISY is just UN fricking believable!

RAWA is a good resource of TRUTH as well, I've met several from RAWA and am a supporter of. Every American should spend a few weeks and go through their galleries, photos don't lie,

What's been done, the Betrayals to the civilians there is unforgiveable, especially the support of tyranny for greed.

Dont get me wrong, I am in no way an apologist to religious tyranny either, and am well aware of those issues, but correct, the mega amounts tax dollars are spent on the military complex defies all common sense. Yet many support it due to ignorance, or geo political racism, I think that's a lot if it, flat out western imperialism. And that's from seeing it from a Center view, not following one right agenda or left,

Bottom line, well it's like Soviet Russia, they spent so much resources into the Military Industrial Complex until the entire infrastructure just collapsed. I think simply put, that's what we are seeing here, but it's such a pit, a mess that we can't climb out of,

The whole system is just a house on sand. Even if the gov was to cut all aid, it wouldn't matter,

We're in debt and bankrupt. And yet they keep on spending, more wars, Space Programs and Mining efforts...for more weapons, etc.,

If that's not insanity what is?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Cancerwarrior

 

I have always worked jobs but I'm on disability now. My little social security check and food stamps are whats keeping us alive right now. I have neuropathy from IL treatments as well as many other side effects of cancer treatments and I'll be not working for a while.

I'm not a "baby-factory" or a "deadbeat bum." I'm a 35 year old army veteran of two wars. I've been a construction worker and a pipeline surveyor. Now I am in a situation where I have to depend on others even though I've been very independent my whole life.

I want to personally thank you for contributing to the thread here. It's very easy for folks to post opinions and anecdotal stories from both sides of the matter. It's far less so to admit what you have here when you're a proud man just looking to make it from one month to the next while in hardships which are not of your making or choosing.

You're welcome. I've never had rich relatives to give me money when needed. I've never had the oppurtunities that many people had to better themselves. Most people would not be impressed by my modest little house or anything in it. Everything I have I worked and saved for myself. I am honestly lucky to be alive right now after dealing twice now with stage 4 melanoma the past 2 years. So hearing people talk about all of the "government bums" angers me. I've never been a bum to anyone. Yes, I know there are people that qualify for the system when they probably should'nt and recieve benefits when they should'nt. People tend to forget though, you might be alright now, but God forbid something happens to you like it did to me and you NEED the help.

I think we are gonna see more and more of these types of cuts. And people will care less and less. I hate to say that, but I just see the majority of society getting more and more self centered and thinking more of only their well being.

I went to WalMart the other day and picked up a few things. As I was leaving the parking lot I saw two older ladies in a car with a flat tire. I stopped and asked if I could help them. The lady said no thanks, she finally got hold of her husband who was on his way to change it. The lady thanked me though and said they had been sitting there for 30 minutes and I was the only person who had stopped and asked if I could help them. And I live in a rural part of Louisiana where folks are polite and generally like to help others out. That got me thinking of how increasingly uncompassionate our society is becoming.

Originally posted by Cancerwarrior

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Cancerwarrior

 

I have always worked jobs but I'm on disability now. My little social security check and food stamps are whats keeping us alive right now. I have neuropathy from IL treatments as well as many other side effects of cancer treatments and I'll be not working for a while.

I'm not a "baby-factory" or a "deadbeat bum." I'm a 35 year old army veteran of two wars. I've been a construction worker and a pipeline surveyor. Now I am in a situation where I have to depend on others even though I've been very independent my whole life.

I want to personally thank you for contributing to the thread here. It's very easy for folks to post opinions and anecdotal stories from both sides of the matter. It's far less so to admit what you have here when you're a proud man just looking to make it from one month to the next while in hardships which are not of your making or choosing.

You're welcome. I've never had rich relatives to give me money when needed. I've never had the oppurtunities that many people had to better themselves. Most people would not be impressed by my modest little house or anything in it. Everything I have I worked and saved for myself. I am honestly lucky to be alive right now after dealing twice now with stage 4 melanoma the past 2 years. So hearing people talk about all of the "government bums" angers me. I've never been a bum to anyone. Yes, I know there are people that qualify for the system when they probably should'nt and recieve benefits when they should'nt. People tend to forget though, you might be alright now, but God forbid something happens to you like it did to me and you NEED the help.

I think we are gonna see more and more of these types of cuts. And people will care less and less. I hate to say that, but I just see the majority of society getting more and more self centered and thinking more of only their well being.

I went to WalMart the other day and picked up a few things. As I was leaving the parking lot I saw two older ladies in a car with a flat tire. I stopped and asked if I could help them. The lady said no thanks, she finally got hold of her husband who was on his way to change it. The lady thanked me though and said they had been sitting there for 30 minutes and I was the only person who had stopped and asked if I could help them. And I live in a rural part of Louisiana where folks are polite and generally like to help others out. That got me thinking of how increasingly uncompassionate our society is becoming.

This is why COOPS are so needed, the poor helping the poor and any time the poor pull together it's the system that scatters them about, Proving that they really Don't care about Self Suffiency, like their supporters claim,

Hardly.

I did some advocacy work with a local group working to establish a coop type of tent city, etc., for both the homeless and working poor, and the Hostility by people was just such b.s. That's when you really see the class prejudice, and these were not druggies or lazy people, many of them were college educated and jobs outsourced, houses foreclosed, etc., they were not wanting hand outs, etc.

Needless to say the uppity heartless, who of course don't mind slave workers serving them in low wage jobs, etc., didn't want to have off the grid mini communities near them...now meth houses in their neighborhoods as long as they are Aestheticly Pleasing, well That's fine, just not those scrubby looking types, never mind if several of them were Degreed, etc.

So these people wound up outside another city, on land, and even though they had clean grounds, etc., well the city couldn't have that, after all, no revenue to be made, extort, etc. and it's a vicious cycle,

But there Could be solutions, if not for all the barriers, red tape, etc. Example, small housing, even transportable housing, but cities won't allow it. Why? If it gets people off the streets, into Self Suffiency then why not?
Not talking about shanty towns either, these are very nice small unit houses, some are even built on trailers and bikes even. taking up little space and so what space/land they Could have could be used for Farming, small, etc.,

There simply is no reason why people Shoild go hungry, none at all. heck you can't even grow a GARDEN without city corporate fascist Asskissers threatening arrest,

That's not free market, That's Tyranny. And flat out Murder in my opinion...IF the Poor could Have the freedom to do these things, most of them Would. But as it stands now, those who've attempted to rally communities around these ideas,

Have been met with one hassle after another. And it's Here, because so many of the prejudicial support.
Well it's not what CORPORATIONS want and the Cities serve THEM, NOT the PEOPLE.

reply to post by ThreeBears


You know, women must make pain look too easy. Going through the process of pushing out an 8 pound mass is so worth $75 of free food.

I support cutting Food Stamps. I support cutting Welfare. I support cutting military budgets. I support cutting foreign aid money. I support ALL cuts. It's probably too little to late since 2008 the USA is so far in the red we'll never recover. Then their will be no money for ANYONE or ANYTHING. Instead of cutting food stamps THERE WILL BE NO FOOD STAMPS AT ALL. If you cannot realize that you have no business being in this debate.

Back to the 1960s where the FedGov paid farmers for their products so they could be distributed to the poor.

No more food stamps, give them food. It worked great back then.

My generation is wondering if retirement is feasible, I guess the next generations retirement is one of those hollow point bullets.

Originally posted by sean
My generation is wondering if retirement is feasible, I guess the next generations retirement is one of those hollow point bullets.

Both sets of my grandparents have been retired for almost 30 years. Retired at 60, have lived to be 90. The government (IE us taxpayers) have been paying for them for all that time. When I hit 60 in about 30 years, I'll still have to work another 30 years.

reply to post by ThreeBears

Unions were hijacked by Chrony capitalist rackets

They were hijacked by mafia, but in general have been a tool of communism. Glad I could clear that up for you. And now they are getting waivers from Obamacare which was supposed to be the very cat's meow the socialists in town were for, until reality set in.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
I support cutting Food Stamps. I support cutting Welfare. I support cutting military budgets. I support cutting foreign aid money. I support ALL cuts. It's probably too little to late since 2008 the USA is so far in the red we'll never recover. Then their will be no money for ANYONE or ANYTHING. Instead of cutting food stamps THERE WILL BE NO FOOD STAMPS AT ALL. If you cannot realize that you have no business being in this debate.

I sure hope you DO support gun rights, more police and a dramatic increase to both morgue facilities and cemeteries. When all your cuts are done, civil unrest won't be theory. It'll be a simple reality as it is in many areas of the world and for the very same reasons.

I'll tell you flat out and honest here. If I looked down into the face of my son and saw real, physical hunger and the inability to find a means to meet his basic needs for lack of work? I would do whatever it required to see he got his basics in life. If that mean scrubbing commodes and polishing boots? So be it. If even that work couldn't be found? What do you have to be stolen or killed for? You kinda see where I'm going here? That's not hyperbole....and I'm not predisposed to that behavior. Millions of others already are. Push people into REAL hunger as is common in much of the world but virtually unknown in America? Yes..you'd better support firearms. You'll need one. 24/7. Our nation will become that dangerous a place until 10's of millions simply die off in bad economic times to balance the population vs. jobs.

The safety nets of the social programs were intended to prevent that. They were meant and do manage to prevent the awful realities of what this country saw during the Great Depression ....when only a fraction of today's population existed to suffer and society was far less brutal by nature. To throw that level of true desperation in now? Well..... The Georgia Guide Stones will have their population adjustment made alright, with blood in the streets. Like the Middle and Upper class....as those least equipped to handle the casual violence and result of a world gone mad.

Originally posted by Kgnow
I hope the food stamp cut-backs hinder the.... "I don't have to worry about the consequences of sleeping around, the tax payers will be my baby's daddy," mentality that is crippling the soul of our society. Too many women are happily sleeping around without a second thought regarding the integrity of the man.... will he be a good father.... a good provider? Nope, it doesn't matter, just hike up the taxes on the working-class to cover it all.

For how many honest folk you may know on food stamps that are justified for the help they receive,... I know many, many more who are professional baby factories. Just keep popping out the babies because they know it'll get them more "gov'ment cheese", more social program awards, vouchers, and tax breaks.

I want to see the professional baby factories and the "who cares about a father, I got gov'ment cheese" women extremely hindered by this OP.

I'm all for compassion and helping others,.... but the "baby-daddy" mentality is a stench I can not get used to. Not on the dime of those who work their butts off trying to make an honest living.

McDonald's is always hiring.

edit on 19-6-2013 by Kgnow because: (no reason given)

I see you tried to backtrack on your comments later in the thread - here's a friendly reminder of what you actually said.

You clearly stated there were "many, many professional baby factories" out there abusing the system, and clearly indicated that these baby factories were the majority while the honest people were the exception. You got called out on your crap and then tried to backtrack. Own up.

I'm not sure why women having babies always gets cited in these types of threads as the reason for all of our problems. All these sex crazed, sneaky woman trying to game the system because it's really awesome to go through nine and a half months of pregnancy, excruciating labor, and then be responsible for another human being for 24 hours a day for next 18 years just to get some free food.

But no, there's no misogyny going on at all.

Also, McDonald's is not always hiring. I ought to know - my brother worked there for 20 years. But I suppose your opinion is that fast food just takes all comers because any idiot can do the job. My husband also works in fast food and he is the hardest working person I know. You cannot believe the crap he takes from self-righteous, whiny, arrogant, impatient people all day. I'd like to see every person who spews the "go work at McDonald's" crap to actually work there for a month. Come back and tell me how fulfilled you are working that hard without being able to make a living wage and having people look down on you all day.

It saddens me how selfish amercians have become. Greed has completely destroyed this country and the idea of providing for people, rather than profits, seems to have disappeared.

I would not be surprised if one day allowing people to starve, or die of illness because they cannot afford to pay for care, becomes the norm. I do believe we are living in times where some people are considered to be better than others and if you're not one the haves your life is not worth anything.

From some of the comments in this thread I do believe that is exactly where we are at.

reply to post by Kgnow

I hope the food stamp cut-backs hinder the.... "I don't have to worry about the consequences of sleeping around, the tax payers will be my baby's daddy," mentality that is crippling the soul of our society.

Too many women are happily sleeping around without a second thought regarding the integrity of the man.... will he be a good father.... a good provider? Nope, it doesn't matter, just hike up the taxes on the working-class to cover it all.

Just keep popping out the babies because they know it'll get them more "gov'ment cheese"

"who cares about a father, I got gov'ment cheese"

A new CBPP analysis of budget and Census data, however, shows that more than 90 percent of the benefit dollars that entitlement and other mandatory programs[1] spend go to assist people who are elderly, seriously disabled, or members of working households — not to able-bodied, working-age Americans who choose not to work. (See Figure 1.) This figure has changed little in the past few years.

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

Please tell me more about all of these welfare queens sitting atop their thrones of government cheese, with their multiple baby daddies, and throngs of illegitimate children.

91% of benefits go to the elderly, disabled, and members of working households.

Seven out of nine of the remaining points go for medical care, unemployment, and SSI.

Yes, the system does get abused in some cases. Yes, the system needs some reform.

BUT....

It is certainly not the horrible tragedy that is 'crippling the soul of our society' as you stated.


Linkage

reply to post by daryllyn

Finally, someone speaks out against the bigots who spew their venom here by presenting verifiable data.

A lot of these people here just parrot what they have been told by others who have no idea what they are talking about, some comment on things they witness without asking the person whose business they are busy minding what's going on and make assumptions.

Anyway, Thanks.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by jjkenobi
I support cutting Food Stamps. I support cutting Welfare. I support cutting military budgets. I support cutting foreign aid money. I support ALL cuts. It's probably too little to late since 2008 the USA is so far in the red we'll never recover. Then their will be no money for ANYONE or ANYTHING. Instead of cutting food stamps THERE WILL BE NO FOOD STAMPS AT ALL. If you cannot realize that you have no business being in this debate.

I sure hope you DO support gun rights, more police and a dramatic increase to both morgue facilities and cemeteries. When all your cuts are done, civil unrest won't be theory. It'll be a simple reality as it is in many areas of the world and for the very same reasons.

I'll tell you flat out and honest here. If I looked down into the face of my son and saw real, physical hunger and the inability to find a means to meet his basic needs for lack of work? I would do whatever it required to see he got his basics in life. If that mean scrubbing commodes and polishing boots? So be it. If even that work couldn't be found? What do you have to be stolen or killed for? You kinda see where I'm going here? That's not hyperbole....and I'm not predisposed to that behavior. Millions of others already are. Push people into REAL hunger as is common in much of the world but virtually unknown in America? Yes..you'd better support firearms. You'll need one. 24/7. Our nation will become that dangerous a place until 10's of millions simply die off in bad economic times to balance the population vs. jobs.

The safety nets of the social programs were intended to prevent that. They were meant and do manage to prevent the awful realities of what this country saw during the Great Depression ....when only a fraction of today's population existed to suffer and society was far less brutal by nature. To throw that level of true desperation in now? Well..... The Georgia Guide Stones will have their population adjustment made alright, with blood in the streets. Like the Middle and Upper class....as those least equipped to handle the casual violence and result of a world gone mad.

What will cause greater civil unrest: Cutting some of the food stamp money now, or cutting it all off in five years. I haven't seen any politician propose kicking deadbeats off of food stamps. How about we start by kicking off anyone age 18-50 who doesn' t have kids and isn't disabled. Do you realize our economy and the dollar are hanging by a thread? Just the hint of the fed raising rates caused a massive market crash. The U.S. doesn't have the money to do any of this - we're printing it out of thin air and have been for years.

reply to post by jjkenobi

What will cause greater civil unrest: Cutting some of the food stamp money now, or cutting it all off in five years. I haven't seen any politician propose kicking deadbeats off of food stamps. How about we start by kicking off anyone age 18-50 who doesn' t have kids and isn't disabled. Do you realize our economy and the dollar are hanging by a thread? Just the hint of the fed raising rates caused a massive market crash. The U.S. doesn't have the money to do any of this - we're printing it out of thin air and have been for years.

It is nearly impossible for someone without kids or a disability in that age group to be eligible for SNAP benefits.

And, like I pointed out a few posts above, there are not nearly as many people abusing the system as people would have you believe.