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The Cartoon That Will Destroy America And/Or Entertain Some Children

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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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Been posted before, I see no problem with it, kids will love it, it will not make boys dress as girls etc.


That's like saying kids aren't going to dress up as Batman, Superman, or other heroes. Of COURSE they will emulate what they see....


Kids are more tolerant as others much more than adults.


Tolerance is one thing, this is out and out promotion of an alternative lifestyle, to young children. I don't know if it's "wrong" per se....but unwise? Possibly....


When bugs bunny dressed as a girl did it make you want to be one? no thought not.


Apples and oranges. This didn't define Bugs. If I was going to dress up as Bugs Bunny and emulate him, it would be with a rabbit suit, not cross-dressing.

Destroy America? That's a bit melodramatic...but I think it's too late for that anyhow. Our concept of "normal" life is pretty much in the toilet these days. Some of that is for the better, some of it isn't. Tolerance though, is way different than Celebration....and this cartoon isn't about tolerance, it is about celebrating this change.

You can bet there will be some serious mega-Christian outrage at this show, that's for sure.


To another:


This should be propmoted as an alternate life style and people (children) need to be taugh about this.

Err sorry, no they don't

Why do we not teach kids about prostitution, pole / lap dancing bars, BDSM, or other things of a sexual nature. Because they are ADULT subjects.

Kids from 6-11 are just trying to get there heads around what happens when a man and a woman get together. They really do not need to be taught anything of an alternate lifestyle. Why,? you might add, because as whoch everything, you need to learn and master the basics first before you get into the advanced subjects


Well put. That's exactly the point.

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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by mykingdomforthetruth
I made a post a while ago on ats and the title was THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH GAY CHILDREN and the post was generally about the liberal view that homosexuality should be exposed to children at a young age arguing they need to grow up knowing that it´s OK to be gay and its a natural choice to make .. anyway the first couple of posts i received were from fags as they obviously didnt like what i said then the entire thread was removed and i received a warning for posting what ats deems crap,

this cartoon is just 1 of many things aimed at converting regular children into freaks its plainly obvious to normal humans .



I would bet, homosexual tendencies have existed forever.
What's better, to hide it and pretend it doesn't exist, or deal with it in plain language.
Making this behavior taboo only alienates people who have these feelings and can create a deranged perspective in those who do not. (your language demonstrates this perfectly)

If you had a son who wanted to play with dolls and pretended to be a little girl, what would you do?
Wouldn't you want this child to grow up in a world where he/she is accepted and loved by everyone?

It starts by admitting this behavior exist and is not going away whether you like it or not. Perhaps you don't like it because you have been taught not to like or accept it.

If we are are lucky, future generations will not stigmatize those with homosexual tendencies.
I don't think there are people/organizations "out there" who want your children to be gay, but maybe they want your gay child to feel at least equal to others. I see this as a good thing because as of now, many of those children probably do not find acceptance at home.

What would you teach your feminine boy? Would you call him a freak, or a fag?


edit on 20-6-2013 by tanda7 because: spelling



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
In all fairness to the OP, I have wanted to dress as a woman so I could act in some sketch comedies. They always looked like they were having a blast!

But perhaps it takes a certain level of maturity and moral uprightness to watch something like Monty Python


edit on 19-6-2013 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)


The Monty Python team were basically taking the piss out of small minded, working class and middle class women of the 60's and 70's...it was a laugh, but not really a swipe at or comment on sexuality or transgenderism.

I've lost count of how many times this gender swapping theme has been played out on tv, in movies (mostly US movies) and on stage....the panto dame is always a male in heavy drag, and the best or lead boy is normally a woman, such as in Peter Pan etc.

How many movies have the middle aged dad, who somehow magically swaps bodies (gender and generational swap) with his teenaged daughter?

Loads and loads. And those movies are aimed at teenagers.

Not saying there's anything wrong with dressing as a Woman now and again..if it floats your boat or you're off to a Rocky Horror show wearing suspenders (UK version) and stockings, perhaps a basque...so what, there's no harm in it, it's a giggle.

Most straight, outgoing men won't pass up an opportunity to get dressed up as a 'tart', especially if a few beers have been drunk.

But this cartoon, aimed at small kids...i'm not sure about. On the one hand i'm thinking aww...so what, there's no harm..if kids are going to grow up thinking they are the wrong gender, they'll do so cartoon or not, and those who are not going to be questioning their gender, won't be persuaded to start doing so because of a cartoon.

Then i think...it's all a little...creepy.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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Isnt it funny that a boy dresses as a girl to hide his identity and it's creepy.
if this was a girl dressing as a boy, it wouldnt even be a topic up for discussion.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by tanda7

Originally posted by mykingdomforthetruth
I made a post a while ago on ats and the title was THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH GAY CHILDREN and the post was generally about the liberal view that homosexuality should be exposed to children at a young age arguing they need to grow up knowing that it´s OK to be gay and its a natural choice to make .. anyway the first couple of posts i received were from fags as they obviously didnt like what i said then the entire thread was removed and i received a warning for posting what ats deems crap,

this cartoon is just 1 of many things aimed at converting regular children into freaks its plainly obvious to normal humans .



I would bet, homosexual tendencies have existed forever.
What's better, to hide it and pretend it doesn't exist, or deal with it in plain language.
Making this behavior taboo only alienates people who have these feelings and can create a deranged perspective in those who do not. (your language demonstrates this perfectly)

If you had a son who wanted to play with dolls and pretended to be a little girl, what would you do?
Wouldn't you want this child to grow up in a world where he/she is accepted and loved by everyone?

It starts by admitting this behavior exist and is not going away whether you like it or not. Perhaps you don't like it because you have been taught not to like or accept it.

If we are are lucky, future generations will not stigmatize those with homosexual tendencies.
I don't think there are people/organizations "out there" who want your children to be gay, but maybe they want your gay child to feel at least equal to others. I see this as a good thing because as of now, many of those children probably do not find acceptance at home.

What would you teach your feminine boy? Would you call him a freak, or a fag?


edit on 20-6-2013 by tanda7 because: spelling


if my son got a gay friend or felt confused i would make no bones about it, i would probably rent the most gruesome gay porno i could find then make my son watch it

2 guys eating eachothers # should put him of queers for life

then i would rent a proper descent porno of real beautilful asian women going at it with a dildo or something then i would tell him he can have a couple of asian women and a car for his 18th birthday if he stays straight and abstains untill then..

what would you do if your son was thinking about playing for the other team ?


lemme guess you would nurture those feelings expressing tolerance reinforcing the idea its ok ?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon



(on a related note, did anybody ever put on the girdle of femininity when playing D&D? Oh come on! I know I wasn't the only one


Uhh... NO!


I always wanted to bash some goblin heads... and an elf or two if I had the chance...


Of course I was always a dwarf






You are the reason dwarves have the stigma of being misogynist racists. Way to go playing into your stereotype, little man.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Akragon



(on a related note, did anybody ever put on the girdle of femininity when playing D&D? Oh come on! I know I wasn't the only one


Uhh... NO!


I always wanted to bash some goblin heads... and an elf or two if I had the chance...


Of course I was always a dwarf






You are the reason dwarves have the stigma of being misogynist racists. Way to go playing into your stereotype, little man.


Little Dwarf... thank you!




posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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*sigh* This is going to be a bit of a coming-out post for me, since I don't think I've even written about my gender identity on these forums before. So here I go:

I identify myself as bi-gender, meaning I feel like a male and a female rolled into one in a male body. I can already hear so many cisgender folks crying "how the hell can you be both!?"
(cisgender means anyone who feels that their physical sex and their mental gender "match"; your average man/woman)

I first felt "different" from other children when I was 3 years old. Yes, you read that correctly. I was enrolled in a day-care program by my dad after my parents split up. I can still remember what happened that first day.

I had long hair down to my waist for whatever reason, I guess my parents never bothered to give me a haircut or I wouldn't sit still or something...so one of the other boyscame up to me and asked "are you a boy or a girl?" and that gave me pause. I replied "boy?" with a questioning upward inflection. I wasn't really sure. Most kids don't really question what it means to be a boy or a girl, they just accept what they're told. I spent a lot of that day staring at myself in the mirror, trying to figure out who I was.

The boy who asked me about my gender told me "girls can wear dresses but boys can't" and I remember thinking "why not?" We played dress-up on some days and sometimes I'd dress like a girl, and we'd laugh because it was all in good fun. Part of me felt shame for some reason, like I knew somehow at that age that people would think it wasn't right, but it seemed right to me.

I remember watching Bugs Bunny and loved it when he would cross-dress. He was a cool, relatable character to me because he didn't act like a boy or a girl all the time. I remember telling my dad I liked Bugs for this reason...I don't remember his response. Not a good sign. At some point I suppressed that side of me, still feeling this way but never showing it.

I'm happy with my body the way it is, though I wish I wasn't so hairy in some places but there's an easy fix for that. But I really hate being shoved into a box. I don't live up to a lot of society's expectations of how a man "should be", and I don't want to, and I sometimes get a bit offended if someone tells me how I should look or act. "Cut your hair", "work out and get buff", "man up" How 'bout no.
At the same time some people seem to think that if I'm some kind of trans* person that I should go full girl-mode all the time and that is not what I want either. So what do I want? To be myself. To be whatever gender I feel like being at whatever time.

If seeing me express myself as who I am happens to offend you, feel free to gouge out your own eyes.


(end of personal disclosure)

*deep breath, trying to relax here*

So, as a bigender dude/chick/person, I love the idea that transgender/bigender/genderfluid/crossdresser kids of today can have a cartoon hero that they can identify with and look up to. I think it's effing wonderful!

And I absolutely abhor the idea that you're putting forth, that this cartoon is intended to brainwash the poor suggestible young boys into being disgusting freaks of nature
. You know what's going to happen if a straight cisgender boy watches even a few minutes of this show? He's going to be turned off by the girly stuff and he's going to change the channel. END. OF. STORY.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Glass
So, as a bigender dude/chick/person, I love the idea that transgender/bigender/genderfluid/crossdresser kids of today can have a cartoon hero that they can identify with and look up to. I think it's effing wonderful!


You reminded me of the slogan to a movement I was going to start a while back. The philosophy included jargon that referred to all people as either "Chick-Suits" or "Dude-Suits" and it was supposed to exemplify the point that spiritual gender and physical gender are mutually exclusive things and are not even binary. The movement covered ethnic issues, as well, but focused a lot on gender.

The slogan I used on our mugs and shirts was "Dude-suits and chick-suits, pop-culture lied to you"

Your story reminded me of the reason why I was interested in it in the first place. Thanks.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Glass
So, as a bigender dude/chick/person, I love the idea that transgender/bigender/genderfluid/crossdresser kids of today can have a cartoon hero that they can identify with and look up to. I think it's effing wonderful!


You reminded me of the slogan to a movement I was going to start a while back. The philosophy included jargon that referred to all people as either "Chick-Suits" or "Dude-Suits" and it was supposed to exemplify the point that spiritual gender and physical gender are mutually exclusive things and are not even binary. The movement covered ethnic issues, as well, but focused a lot on gender.

The slogan I used on our mugs and shirts was "Dude-suits and chick-suits, pop-culture lied to you"

Your story reminded me of the reason why I was interested in it in the first place. Thanks.


This is brilliant.

One of the benefits of the creeping of eastern thought into the western world is the concepts of overcoming ego. It is the salve that will heal the wounds left by our current scorched earth approach.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:20 PM
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I have to admit, I was expecting something much worse.

I can sort of see your point, but this is nothing new. Many people have already mentioned Bugs Bunny.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha
 


Same answer as the others... Not to many children ages 6-11 watch monty Python...

This is a cartoon dedicated to children...

Maybe it just me... but I can't see anything good about this kind cartoon...



Why? Because boys who really want to dress like girls will be encouraged to do so?

The only bad thing that can be really listed is that adults don't want children to do that. To that i say, "Quit trying to control everyone around you."

All this hand wringing over "the gay". It is stupid. WHy do people care what other people do with their genitals? Why all this interest?

No, I say let your children be what they will be. And then love them for WHO they are, not WHAT they are.

Bunch of shallow people i share this planet with. Jeezus.


I love you



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Glass
So, as a bigender dude/chick/person, I love the idea that transgender/bigender/genderfluid/crossdresser kids of today can have a cartoon hero that they can identify with and look up to. I think it's effing wonderful!


You reminded me of the slogan to a movement I was going to start a while back. The philosophy included jargon that referred to all people as either "Chick-Suits" or "Dude-Suits" and it was supposed to exemplify the point that spiritual gender and physical gender are mutually exclusive things and are not even binary. The movement covered ethnic issues, as well, but focused a lot on gender.

The slogan I used on our mugs and shirts was "Dude-suits and chick-suits, pop-culture lied to you"

Your story reminded me of the reason why I was interested in it in the first place. Thanks.


That's awesome! I love it!


That's a big part of my spiritual beliefs which I have adopted and developed. I believe that non-binary folk like myself are here to bridge the gap between the gender poles in this time of social upheaval regarding women's rights and gay rights etc. To bring balance to the force, so to speak. Divine feminine energy has been suppressed for thousands of years, and look at the side effects of this: careless abuse of mother earth, war, greed, poverty. Humanity needs more feminine compassion and understanding.

By the way, where can I get one of those shirts?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by mykingdomforthetruth

Originally posted by tanda7


then i would rent a proper descent porno of real beautilful asian women going at it with a dildo or something then i would tell him he can have a couple of asian women and a car for his 18th birthday if he stays straight and abstains untill then..

what would you do if your son was thinking about playing for the other team ?


lemme guess you would nurture those feelings expressing tolerance reinforcing the idea its ok ?




So you would rather foster in your child the belief that wome are a commodity ti be bought and sold, that prostitution is ok, that objectifying women of other races is ok.

Give me a gay guy with a moral code, than a straight guy brought up to respect no one.
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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Sorry for not reading through all of the comments tl;dr.

I don't get why people have a cow about guys dressing up like girls or becoming girls or whatever. As far as I can recall, no one's ever had a problem with girls dressing up like guys. Anyone ever seem Mulan? How about GI Jane? In similar fashion, two women holding hands in public will get far less criticism than two dudes holding hands in public (some friends and I staged several experiments to prove that fact).

It all comes down to being a weird society, I guess.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:42 PM
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To everyone that thinks that this one cartoon will bring down the USA for you, here are some interesting facts about it for you


It began airing on Network Ten on 15 December 2012, and will run for 26 episodes. Aimed at kids 6-11 years-old, the series is produced by Moody Street Kids and Kickstart Productions. It is distributed by DHX Media, funded in part by Film Victoria and was designed by Australian artist Kyla May.


en.wikipedia.org...

It's already airing here in Australia (probably at the end of it's 26 episode season now) It has gone completely under the radar here - I'd never heard of it until this post even though it's on 10 - a major channel. So it's either not that shocking or nobody watched it.


The people reflexively criticizing the show without watching it -- both in the media and on the parts of your Facebook wall that you can't escape because it will upset your mother -- have imposed a political narrative on a simple idea. Secret identities lay at the core of much superhero fiction, and some heroes go through greater transformations than others. The simple notion of a male hero with a female alter ego is well within the bounds of the genre -- and of the medium of children's animation. In essence, SheZow is a girl superhero in the same way that Batman is a bat superhero, right down to Batman having a Batmobile and SheZow having a Shehicle. (There really are a lot of she-based puns.)

Read More: www.comicsalliance.com...


www.comicsalliance.com...

I say watch a few entire episodes and then make a judgement. Kids at this age will laugh at it because it's just silly. Wylie Coyote never made me think that if I jumped off a cliff I would miraculously survive and the Smurfs never turned me gay because they all were male and lived in a village with no females until smurfette arrived. Cartoons are just silly mindless entertainment. It is us adults that are reading to much into this I think.

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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Read the rest of the thread, my post is in response not to role play dress up, which I believe I made clear enough precedent of this for entertainment purposes, but to the notion of teaching children about cross dressing / trans gender issues, which some earlier posts were advocating.

if you believe that is OK, then I suppose you are fine with teaching children about BDSM or other such "alternative" lifestyles. Why else would the scouts teach you how to tie a reef knot.

Any you want to talk about sick minds.

For shame sir

Leave the innocent to their innocence at least a few years. Is the world not messed up enough as it is.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
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if you believe that is OK, then I suppose you are fine with teaching children about BDSM or other such "alternative" lifestyles. Why else would the scouts teach you how to tie a reef knot.


Can I just ask you, how is dressing up in girls clothes to be a superhero is sexual to a 7 year old kid? Kids at that age have no idea about sexuality.

I take on board your concerns about it leading to other things, we hear this all the time in the argument with gay marriage. And I think you will find if you watch 'drawn together' a cartoon that has been around for a while, your worst nightmare has already come to pass. Just because it's an adult target audience it does not mean that kids will not watch it....

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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OK, to the children it is not a sexual issue. However the source of teaching children about cross dressing / trans gender issues at that age (even before the do standard sex ed) is based on sexual issued. I.e. those who feel comfortable with sex reassignment or those that just get off on it.

Does that not strike you as wrong?

As I have said REPEATEDLY.

role play is a different issue supported by culture in many different locations.

got it?



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
OK, to the children it is not a sexual issue. However the source of teaching children about cross dressing / trans gender issues at that age (even before the do standard sex ed) is based on sexual issued. I.e. those who feel comfortable with sex reassignment or those that just get off on it.

Does that not strike you as wrong?



Well if it leads to a kid who grows up not afraid of drag queens then not really. If it leads to handbag swinging heterosexual males dressed in stillettos and gucci evening dresses, well they might find it hard to get a date.



As I have said REPEATEDLY.

role play is a different issue supported by culture in many different locations.

got it?



And this is where as parents you step in and educate your kids. How much power are you giving to TV right now? If you find your son trying on mum's dress, talk to him, ask him why he did it and explain to him that TV is not real life.




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