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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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You're saying that it didn't happen cause it didn't ?

Cause there is evidence that suggest there is. Which is posted in this thread even. You won't find much evidence from more then 40.000 years ago.
And even less from 900.000 years before that. Except for some remains of earlier man, if it got preserved, which is pretty rare.

Now we've got all of this scientific evidence, because of the human genome project, and our ability to identify ourself from all other hominid species. We also identified the different remains of we've found, and we've been able to identify a specific variety of Homo Neanderthal, and Homo Demisova Probably Homo Erectus and Homo Homo floresiensis ( aka the hobbit )
Watch the 4 minute video in the link. What they show is out dated, by new discoveries. We found a finger bone and 2 teeth in an central Asian cave.
The genetic data revealed, that Neanderthal and Demisova, already got isolated from our common ancestor a million years ago. They already traveled the globe in the 800.000 years before modern man evolved in Africa and that bottleneck you hear about in the video, when there were only 1000 or so of us left.
The genetic evidence suggest that 55.000 years before this event the hominid they encounter in the video, did not share the genetic varieties of the hominid species that evolved separate from 1 million years up to 12.000 years ago. But did eventually inherited the genetic material of what evolved all the way until they migrated to Europe and Asia.

You should read the information about it. Cause it's to complex to explain. But by the time we showed up in Europe and Asia, the hominid species from a million years ago and those that split from modern man 120.000 ago. All shared the same genetic material except for us 65.000 later. But we do have have all the material from all genetic varieties in our genetic make up, present today and even more.

www.darrencurnoe.net...

anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org...

Deny ignorance really is an appropriate thing to say, on this occasion.

There is even evidence seemed out of place or OOP parts. Now they can be, because of the new genetic data.
Out of place artifacts By Anon72

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posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 02:27 PM
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Right on Sinter Claus,
See you could wrap your mind around it,
and glad to see you reference Dr Dzeibel's site.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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The oldest accepted find of a spear dates from about 400,000 years ago

archive.archaeology.org...

The pace of technological advancement was very slow in prehistory, mainly , imo, as we were smart enough back then to realise we didnt need a heck of a lot more to survive and eventually thrive.

Advanced is a "relative" term... having a more durable spearpoint, better container or shelter technology, use of dogs and more efficient use of resources (etc etc etc) made groups advanced way back when....



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 05:15 PM
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No!
look at the past, over 200 years ago to BC.
we had Very little Technology.
then in the last 200 years technology went mad!
why in the last 200 years did this happen.
when we ware so dumb for so long.



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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Is it possible for humans to advance to our technological levels in the ancient past without alien intervention?


And what were those advanced technological levels?



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by TLomon

Originally posted by Harte
How long will it take the faces on Mount Rushmore to erode away?


Probably about 100-200 years. It has to be maintained constantly as plants growing in it will break way the faces, cracks can then contain water, water expanding and contracting, buy buy faces. A lot of people don't realize just how much physical maintenance needs to be done to keep our cities and structures intact.


Skyscrapers have concrete foundations that go hundreds of feet down into the Earth. Evidence like that isn't going anywhere, regardless of how much time goes by, until it recycles back into the mantle of the Earth (if that ever happens.)


Wrong again. Water is the great destroyer. Especially concrete, which is subceptible to water damage.Concrete is currently expected to last 75-100 years WITH maintenance... now imagine it without. The chemicals used in concrete to speed up curing time, make it stronger, etc. are also it's downfall. It all reacts to water. It's one of the reasons why it doesn't have the durability that the concrete used in BC era has.

While I agree that concrete, eventually, will no longer function as concrete should, I insist that an acre of concrete one hundred feet deep, corroded or not, would be very obvious if accidentally, or purposefully, uncovered by digging.

It has to be obvious to you that even completely ruined concrete won't look like the neighboring soil deposits, right?

Harte



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 01:58 AM
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Stuff like this:

www.xpeditionsmagazine.com...

Seemingly it's forgotten. I don't know if it's true. It does make me think, cause it's definitely not the weird discovery.

Why would the Hopi Indians come up of with that legend ? I do understand why they would be saved, as they did live balanced lives with nature.

Even thinking about the possibility, will include an earlier more advanced intelligent species.



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
Stuff like this:

www.xpeditionsmagazine.com...

Seemingly it's forgotten. I don't know if it's true. It does make me think, cause it's definitely not the weird discovery.

Not forgotten. Bogus.

Newspapers in that day were full of total rubbish stories like this one. A newspaper in the midwest at the time reported that the squash had grown so large in one field that the U.S. Army had hollowed one out and was currently using it for a training academy, housing every boy, along with several indoor facilities, in the gourd.


Originally posted by Sinter KlaasWhy would the Hopi Indians come up of with that legend ? I do understand why they would be saved, as they did live balanced lives with nature.

Why would you assume the Hopi had such a legend without trying to find it on legitimate Native American websites?

Harte



posted on Jun, 20 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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Cause I didn't .

It is what it is. Nothing more. I never claimed it to be true.

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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 03:56 AM
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Yes, it seems quite obvious that human history repeats itself.


Ancient City Found in India, Irradiated from Atomic Blast


Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built. For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction.

The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.


veda.wikidot.com...
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by anti72
Yes, it seems quite obvious that human history repeats itself.


Ancient City Found in India, Irradiated from Atomic Blast


Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built. For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction.

The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.


veda.wikidot.com...
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NOT AGAIN!!! PLEASE, no more!

from your link:

The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent.


"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe…An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor…it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."

The above "quote" is not in the Mahabharata.

also:


Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata.

Ganguli died in the 19th century He was not an "historian." He translated the Mahabharata into English.

In fact, I linked you to his translation, which you can see from the title page if you look.

The earliest version of the text from your link that I have ever found comes from Rense.com and has been debunked by me (and, I'm sure, thousands of others) over and over since then. It is entirely bogus.

The source given by the Rense article - the "World Island Revue" magazine - either never existed, or left no trace of it's existence other than this ridiculous article. "Archaeologist Francis Taylor" never existed either. Of that I am absolutely certain. The rest is also fiction, except the place names.

Harte



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 11:58 PM
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Homo Sapiens have been existence since 250,000 years ago and it took 5,000 years for us to advanced from Spears to Nuclear Weapons.


This is what they tell you. But i think that unfortunaly humanity is older than that. Probably a few millions years back. There are so much archeological anomalies that confirm this. Moreover it is not possible to "separate" humans from aliens. They are both linked. When you think that aliens created the humans there is no way they didnt intervene with past civilizations.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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There are so much archeological anomalies that confirm this



Like what? Please don't link to OOPARTS debunked decades ago, okay. Put up something that you have personally verified by research that has not been explained before, or show that the explanation is flawed?

Can you point to a habitation layer perhaps?



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:31 AM
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Well be they whatever, very old histories from around the world speak of great civilizers, powerful personalities that showed men the arts and civilization. These persons are often described as freakishly well equipped.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Logarock
Well be they whatever, very old histories from around the world speak of great civilizers, powerful personalities that showed men the arts and civilization. These persons are often described as freakishly well equipped.


Many cultures, civilizations and religions point to 'gods' providing the x, y and z of technology, from fire, to language to agriculture. This probably reflects stories made up to explain where these things came from long after the event had occurred, the man or woman who actually made the advance is forgotten and the spiritually inclined direct the ;step up; to a favoured god.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by starwarsisreal
Without people maintaining the cities, eventually they will be gone because wildlife would have reclaim them and plus the buildings would have been destroyed due to erosion. Modern Buildings like Steel Skyscrapers wouldn't last very long. This may explain why if the a hypothetical advanced civilization were to exist in the past there wouldn't be any traces left.

Bad examples.

Skyscrapers have concrete foundations that go hundreds of feet down into the Earth. Evidence like that isn't going anywhere, regardless of how much time goes by, until it recycles back into the mantle of the Earth (if that ever happens.)

How long will it take the faces on Mount Rushmore to erode away?

Road beds leave obvious traces that can be found by even amatuer investigators. Especially roads like freeways.

In this case, no evidence pretty much means no such thing existed.

Harte


Poor assessment and opinion.

The foundations of building would last but not if there was an ice age which our last one scraped 100's of feet of rock and dirt off the surface of the earth and turned it to dust sand and boulders as seen around the world.

The mention of mount rushmore is redundant. There are pyramids and statues that have lasted over 2000 years. Mount rushmore should be the same unless struck by earth quakes.

Your mention of road beds is interesting, they have found many miles of highway sized roads under the jungles of Brazil that once tied civilizations together.

I think Harte where your thinking process is lacking is in the ability to understand and imagine such great time distances and to factor in less than normal climate and earth changes that destroyed all footprints of our emergence, which this earth has seen many times before our own time.

I also believe that you think that ancient advanced civilization would have to resemble our own which is silly at best. We live in an over populated earth, the advancements we have made this time round is more to sustain an massive global civilization which I believe the earth hasn't seen at this scale before. So to assume that the ancients would have to build skyscrapers, highways and other overpopulated earth requirements is ridiculous.

To assume that nothing advanced or great existed before our present civilization is not only stupid but ignorant. Being advanced doesn't mean you have to become a greedy, over-consuming, commercial society.

HArte, you say there is no evidence. How many model t fords do you see on the side of the road or sitting in the bush considering they made 10's of thousands of them this should be easy. None, how do you expect to find evidence of advancement when our or advancements would not last more than 200 years, and you expect to find anything that could date from 3000- 35000 years.

Rethink your views.
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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:57 AM
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When taken as a whole however your explanation hardly covers it. I will grant that in some cases we are talking cultures that collided and to the shock of one the technological/cultural capacities of the other was just more than they could properly fathom.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Logarock
Well be they whatever, very old histories from around the world speak of great civilizers, powerful personalities that showed men the arts and civilization. These persons are often described as freakishly well equipped.


Many cultures, civilizations and religions point to 'gods' providing the x, y and z of technology, from fire, to language to agriculture. This probably reflects stories made up to explain where these things came from long after the event had occurred, the man or woman who actually made the advance is forgotten and the spiritually inclined direct the ;step up; to a favoured god.


This is most likely the product of greater civilizations meeting lesser ones. This happens today where modern day humans living in the jungles around the world with little or no knowledge of the great metropolises around the world are met by more advanced people. This too happened in the distant past where history was kept by less advanced people who claim that they were visited by advanced people who looked like man but had technologies never seen before.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Logarock
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When taken as a whole however your explanation hardly covers it. I will grant that in some cases we are talking cultures that collided and to the shock of one the technological/cultural capacities of the other was just more than they could properly fathom.



No you have a choice; one that humans are complete morons who have to be given every single technological advance by other advanced humans (one has to wonder how they figured it out), aliens or supernatural beings - or they did it themselves. Consider the guy who figured out you could use a tang instead of rivets to fix a metal dagger to a handle, insted of following the method used with stone tools. No one remembers him (or her) but there are probably legends about magic spears and daggers within a culture.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Logarock
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When taken as a whole however your explanation hardly covers it. I will grant that in some cases we are talking cultures that collided and to the shock of one the technological/cultural capacities of the other was just more than they could properly fathom.



No you have a choice; one that humans are complete morons who have to be given every single technological advance by other advanced humans (one has to wonder how they figured it out), aliens or supernatural beings - or they did it themselves.


The evidence suggests that your simple choice just cant explain it all. The evidence does not force one into an ether or here. The reams of history show that advanced cultures brought new methods and technology to other cultures. In some cases history has not quite human persons involved. The question is were the stories, all of them, just exaggerations made for any number of reasons.
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