How stupid do they think we are?

They push the surveillance and data collecting stuff down our throats and in the next breath, tell us we don't need stronger border security. I guess we're to assume terrorists are too stupid to cross the borders illegally to gain entrance to their target. Or, is the truth of the matter, we really face no threat from terrorism and the surveillance is for something other than what they're saying? Their positions on these two matters are not congruous. So which is it Congress? Which is it Mr. President?

MACRO "we" are stupid.. I mean really stupid.

MICRO "we" meh, maybe not so much on a case by case.


the whole problem has gotten to the point where the few can dangle ALL THE SCRAPS above our heads. We have no freedom to go forage on our own any more and are relegated to this dastrdly role because of THE USUAL SUSPECTS..

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The biggest terrorist threat to our government our the people of the United States whom they have sold out! Of course they have to pretend that we all must fear foreign terrorists. What do you think would happen if they had the stones to tell us they are keeping a close eye on us, because they are scared that when we find out what they have done, we would chase them down the streets and then lynch them??

As you said, if they were so concerned about terrorists from foreign countries getting into the US, how come the southern border is pretty much wide open...........

Edit to add: The "chasing them down the streets and lynching them" was a supposed remark that Bush Senior made to Whitehouse reporter Sarah McClendon..........

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313.9 million Americans vs. one little president. The odds are quite astounding. To be the losing party with such unfathomable odds, at least some stupidity is at work here.

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The Merging of the United States with Canada and Mexico It's Happening Right Now!

The new appointee for Attorney General, to replace John Ashcroft, is none other than Alberto Gonzales, the Bush advisor who helped write the draconian, human rights-suppressive Patriot Act, who has supported the use of torture by our troops in Iraq and in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and who calls the Geneva Conventions for human rights of prisoners, “Quaint”! Alberto Gonzales is also a member of LaRaza, a notoriously militant group that plans a take-over of the Southwestern United States by Mexico. (See www.villagevoice.com/issues/0448/hentoff.php)

An astonishing event was recorded on November 27, 2004, when a person in Laguna Hills, California (NOT a predominantly Latino community) received a notice of a parking violation. The California-produced parking ticket had as its FIRST language - Spanish! English was the SECOND language! (www.rense.com/general160ticket.htm)

It is clear that the merger of the U.S. and Mexico is well on its way.

To the North, the merger of Canada with the U.S. is progressing rapidly. In November, 2004, President George W. Bush spoke publicly of combining the military of Canada and the United States. In fact, the actual “Annexation of Canada” by the U.S. has been discussed. (www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html)

On September 6, 2004, the Alberta provincial government released a report promoting massive government infrastructure spending to facilitate exploitation of the oil sands north of Edmonton. The following day, U.S. and Canadian mass media ran features endorsing the essence of the report. The national daily USA Today longingly headlined their article: “Canada drips with oil!” The USA Today article continued, “With oil prices bounding to nearly $50 a barrel this summer, both the Bush and Kerry campaigns have been talking up the Canadian option. Both extol a U.S. energy policy that draws more supply from friendly, familiar Canada and less from the volatile Middle East.”

In fact, the direct investment under U.S. control in the Alberta tar sands alone is “equivalent to the combined spending of American companies in China over the past 25 years,” according to USA Today. It is clear that “the U.S. multinationals are moving to seize and loot fabulous new deposits in Alberta’s oil sands, richer than Saudi Arabia, and make Canadians subsidize the theft,” writes K. C. Adams in Discovery Magazine.

Re-zoning the World: The Merging of the Americas in a New Global Order” is the title of an October 5, 2003 article by Carl Teichrib, a highly respected freelance researcher and authoritative write on issues pertaining to globalization. He writes:

“One of the first major political events that President Bush was involved in when he took office was the Summit of the Americas, which was held in Quebec City, April 20-22, 2001. It was a noted occasion; America’s newest president was swinging into action with one of his main campaign platforms - an expanded trade program which would revitalize America’s slumping economy.

“Ironically, this 'vigorously pursued’ economic agenda is not the brainchild of the current administration. Bush’s push for hemispherical free trade was first expounded by his father, Bush Sr., who announced the Enterprise of the Americas Initiative on June 27, 1990. Moreover, this trans-continental restructuring agenda was not placed into high gear by a Republican, but by a Democrat - President Bill Clinton. (There’s NO difference between the Republicans and Democrats. Their ultimate agenda is the same - A One World Government!)

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
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313.9 million Americans vs. one little president. The odds are quite astounding. To be the losing party with such unfathomable odds, at least some stupidity is at work here.

Yes they bank on the dumbing down they've been hard at work, trying to accomplish over the last four decades. Just think of how much money we've literally flushed down the toilet in the name of education.

I mean really, are these two separate issues - border security and the threat from terrorism? How could anyone view them as such and still expect to be taken seriously?

They think we are REALLY stupid.
And they are mostly right. They know exactly how the general populace will react to everything before they do it. They model and control macro-behavior. It's as easy to them as a chemist mixing chemicals to produce aspirin.

I am not convinced it has anything to do with intelligence at all.

I have met some rather.. "slow" people that immediately pick up on why these sorts of things are problematic. I have also met some incredibly, incredibly intelligent people who see no issue whatsoever, and actively support things like PRISM and are quite vocal about how privacy threatens all of our "security."

I think it has more to do with clinging to the ideas that make us feel secure, like stuffed animals when we are children. There is no comfort to be had in recognizing any of these things as an issue, quite the opposite. So, it seems many are more concerned with the illusion than the harsh reality. In truth, I cant necessarily blame them, although it will undoubtedly have repercussions that are undeniable at some point.

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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
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313.9 million Americans vs. one little president. The odds are quite astounding. To be the losing party with such unfathomable odds, at least some stupidity is at work here.

Monsieur le Misanthrope,

We are not just stupid, we are pig-headed. We cannot discuss anything at all, even something that has no material effect, without attacking one another. If we were even more stupid but less egotistical, we would be far more threatening. We might be able to agree on something and trust one another.

Bon soir.

There is strength in numbers. Unfortunately the number that are aware is miniscule.

Based on that, they see us collectively as stupid.

Then again, one grain of sand can become a pearl. We cannot relinquish hope.

Originally posted by Bilk22
They push the surveillance and data collecting stuff down our throats and in the next breath, tell us we don't need stronger border security. I guess we're to assume terrorists are too stupid to cross the borders illegally to gain entrance to their target. Or, is the truth of the matter, we really face no threat from terrorism and the surveillance is for something other than what they're saying? Their positions on these two matters are not congruous. So which is it Congress? Which is it Mr. President?

edit on 18-6-2013 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)

The effect is crazy-making cognitive dissonance which I don't think is intentional, but is the product of their astounding lies versus the horrible reality. Cognitive dissonance paralyzes us to inaction because we keep cycling through like the poor robot in this Star Trek clip:

I know my brain is smoking lately. I have sort of decided that the inmates are running the asylum and that I am just going to back very carefully out of the room.

One thing that helps reconcile this apparent dichotomy of positions is an idea that has been related here many times in the forums, that each and every one of us represents a dollar value on the balance sheet. Thus, legalizing 12million will help offset the massive spending they've been doing - or more than likely, it will just cause them to borrow more with their new found collateral.

How stupid do they think we are?
Stupid enough.
Stupid enough to elect and then re-elect a B grade actor to the presidency and then think him great.
Stupid enough to elect his VP who comes from a family of insidious economic manipulators.
Stupid enough to elect a smooth talking, saxophone playing sex fiend and then re-elect him just because the economy was booming due to the influx of high tech revenues created by our willing participation.
Stupid enough to even let a moron like Dubya get close enough to the presidency that it could be stolen for him by his friends.
Stupid enough to re-elect him.
Stupid enough to hope that the next guys offer of hope and change could change things around.
Stupid enough to re-elect him.
Got any more stupid questions?

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well we are plenty stupid considering we have let it get this far in the first place.

They don't care about the border simply becasue they don't want to control or spy on foreigners.. they want to spy on the USA citizens.

we are too stupid to realize that.

Actually! We are pretty stupid cause it took over a decade for most of us to realize this little fact!
you mean If we close the border we don't have to make a surveillance state! Snip....

Originally posted by seeker1963
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"As you said, if they were so concerned about terrorists from foreign countries getting into the US, how come the southern border is pretty much wide open..........."

We have four borders. The southern border is the most heavily guarded. If someone wants to come in by sea, or through the great north woods, they will find little resistance as long as they don't call attention to themselves. Stop buying the RWNJ mantra about the southern border.

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You are correct; the collective society in the US are narcissistic morons. Look at the progress of enslavement so far:
- intense airport security complete with scanners that will provide a database of bio metric data that will enable authorities to identify you anywhere. Your cellphone has a tracking chip that can eavesdrop on you. Your appliances have chips to spy on you. You have smart meters in your house. All this is to make you safer. There have been no terror attacks on US soil since before or after 9/11 (after if u believe the talking heads).Lybian insurgents were Al Qaeda as are the Syrian insurgents both funded by the US. The bad guys are now the good guys because the talking heads say so. Al Qaeda in Lybia captured all Quadaffi's stinger missiles but you need not worry because the talking heads say so.
- A host of legislation designed to take away your rights. This runs the gambit from the Patriot Act to NDAA
- Fluoridated water to dumb you and pacify you; by the way it works.
- an education system designed to dumb you down.
- Globalists run both political parties yet the majority of Americans still see a difference.
- Pull of the biggest false flag in history; one which defies the laws of physics yet most buy into it.
- Wall St. investment banks get bailouts and increased bonuses. The working stiff in a manufacturing facility who produces real value gets a pink slip.
- NAFTA, WTO, GATT and the new Trans Pacific Partnership are designed to gut industry in the US and offshore high paying jobs. Talking heads on the networks say this is good for america and the economy is recovering even though industry is being decimated. People, no longer capable of critical thinking accept the media version even though they have lied to the public time and time again and switching channels gives you the same news in the exact same words.
- Talking heads say the Federal Reserve maintains the value of the currency even though economists all agree that the currency has lost 95% of it's value since the Fed was founded. You believe the talking heads.
- Drug production in Afghanistan is up 12x since the US forces entered the theater. This helps fund CIA black ops programs and keeps the bankers alive through money laundering. Talking heads tells you that drug production keeps the impoverished masses employed and it is good to have the military guard the crops so you buy the talking head version of reality.
- Talking heads say that guns are the cause of violence and that the massacres are proof. Pierce Morgan does not tell you that in all cases shooters are on psychotropic or mood altering drugs. You believe the talking head version of events.
- The president tells you that the economy is recovering. He has added more debt to the US than all presidents before him. Baby Bush did the same when he was president. Deficits are at record levels, factories are moving offshore, 50 million are on food stamps, Detroit is empty. They omit telling you that 7 out of 10 GM cars are mfd. offshore. You believe the talking head version of events. You don't worry because Baby Bush's VP said deficits don't matter.
- Talking heads and big sis tell you the homeland is more safer with enhanced airport security but they neglect to tell you that the Southern border is wide open. The talking heads must be right.
-Talking heads tell you that carbon taxes are needed to save the environment because of Global Warming. E. Anglia University leaks proved that Global Warming and the hockey stick theory of global temperature rises was a fraud. Someone told you that historically temp. rises before carbon in the atmosphere rises. They told you that carbon taxes will only encourage manufacturers to go to areas like China which will not introduce carbon taxes. Al Gore and the talking heads didn't bring up these points so the talking heads must be correct about carbon taxes.
- French Scientists studied rats eating GMO foods over a longer period than the traditional 90 days and the rats developed tumors. Other rogue scientists have warned about the dangers of GMO foods. Talking heads point out that these studies have never been documented in peer reviewed papers. The talking heads point out that these foods have passed the "substantial equivalence test". Furthermore talking heads will point out that Michael Taylor, former head of Monsanto and now head of the FDA would never approve of and allow unsafe food in American stores.
- electronic voting machines can be easily reprogrammed and many votes are counted by a Spanish company in which Soros is a major shareholder. Talking heads say that this will prevent the hanging chad problem in the 2000 election. Talking heads emphasize that the US enjoys more freedom than any other country.
Is there any doubt that the elite consider the population to be like cattle with TV sets