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Topic started on 7-11-2004 @ 07:57 PM by Ocelot
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WhatReallyHappened.com has a nice collection of articles relating to the 2004 Election Vote Fraud. Check it out for yourself @:
2004 COLLECTED VOTE FRAUD STORIES
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 10:21 AM by benevolent tyrant
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With so many reports in the newspapers, on the news and throughout web postings and blogs on the "obvious fraud" of the 2004 election, my mind
wanders to other close elections. The 1960 election -- Nixon vs Kennedy -- was also a very close election. Do you suppose that Kennedy rigged
that election? After all, he had the Kennedy millions and the intellectual elite backing him against Nixon. Or did Kennedy win simply because Nixon
had a perspiration problem during the televised debate? Can you imagine how things would be different now had Nixon won the 1960 election?
Is it too late to sue for a recount on that election?
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 10:30 AM by evecasino
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I am not finding this in the newspapers or on the mainstream media.
The dems need to stand up and demand a recount becuase this is BS nobody wants Bush in the White House.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 10:36 AM by jrsdls
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nobody but 59,668,281 American Voters. evecasino, the reason you are not seeing this in the MSM is because it all coming for a leftist, anti-war,
anti-government website. This is just leftist liberals who are venting and trying to figure out that America is more conservative than liberal.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 10:58 AM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by jrsdls
nobody but 59,668,281 American Voters. evecasino, the reason you are not seeing this in the MSM is because it all coming for a leftist, anti-war,
anti-government website. This is just leftist liberals who are venting and trying to figure out that America is more conservative than liberal.

You are full of #. The reason you're not seeing this ANYWHERE on the mainstream media is because the media is in the pocket of government. All they
do is regurgitate propaganda and lies. Do me a favor and get your head out of your ass and take a good look at whats happening around you.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 11:08 AM by jrsdls
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go away anarchist, your anti-government stance has betrayed you. Funny, I always assumed that the MSM were behind the leftist. Ocelot, I do know
what's going on. I have spent 20+ years in the Intelligence business, I have had access to classified material and I can tell you that the garbage
you are reading is what it is, garbage. The media is not in the pocket of the government. If you don't like America, go to Mexico or Cananda,
I'm sure they will just love you there.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 11:21 AM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by jrsdls
go away anarchist, your anti-government stance has betrayed you. Funny, I always assumed that the MSM were behind the leftist. Ocelot, I do know
what's going on. I have spent 20+ years in the Intelligence business, I have had access to classified material and I can tell you that the garbage
you are reading is what it is, garbage. The media is not in the pocket of the government. If you don't like America, go to Mexico or Cananda,
I'm sure they will just love you there. 
Oh so now you're in the intelligence business eh? Funny I would think that someone in the "intelliegence" business would be a hell of a lot
smarter. Anarchist? So now a person who doesnt agree with the government is an anarchist? God you're so full of # you're about to burst. The media
is not in the pocket of government? Keep telling yourself that buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 11:35 AM by jrsdls
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Hate to break it to you, but yes, I am in the Intell business. what would you call yourself, if you are against the government, than you are either
a terrorist, revolutionist, or an anarchist. you choose your status. What is your vision for America? do you want to turn it over to the UN. What
government do you think is great? Tell us your worldview.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 11:44 AM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by jrsdls
Hate to break it to you, but yes, I am in the Intell business. what would you call yourself, if you are against the government, than you are either
a terrorist, revolutionist, or an anarchist. you choose your status. What is your vision for America? do you want to turn it over to the UN. What
government do you think is great? Tell us your worldview. 
Damn.... I thought you were joking with the whole "intel business" crap. Why is it necessary for me to label myself so I fit into your narrow view
of the world? What's my vision for America? Simple A government by the people and for the people. Isn't that what America was supposed to be about?
Is that too much to ask? Where leaders are not corrupt and start wars that cost Amrican lives acting on false data? Where the government doesn't lie
to the people? A government that lets people live FREE and in peace? Is that too much to ask? America is not free anymore, it hasn't been for a very
long time
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 11:57 AM by jrsdls
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Actually, I don't have a narrow view of the world. I have spent over 15 years in overseas locations on different assignments. I have seen the
middle east up close and personal. I have seen old Europe, and Asia. Spent three years in Japan.
How do you know what's false data? believe nothing you read, nothing you read and nothing you see. The Russian have a word and policy called
maskirovka, the art of deception. Our Government also uses this and have perfected it in many ways. Not just the Republicans, both parties have
used it when they are in power.
What you want is a utopian society. That does not exist. The Russians tried to achieve it with the use of Communism, but found out that it does not
work. Name me one war that was not corrupt and started with false data?
I believe that a small government is a good thing, that is why I am a Republican.
Labels don't mean a thing, but I want you to realize that the words you use, do label you. I thought you were an anarchist because the words you
chose to use. No where was there any positive statement about the government in your statements, nothing to improve America, only a rant about
what's wrong. We have a lot of good here. we need to remember that we do have the freedoms that the rest of the world wants. just ask any person
if they would want to trade places with you and you might be surprised by the resounding yes you get.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:05 PM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by jrsdls
Labels don't mean a thing, but I want you to realize that the words you use, do label you. I thought you were an anarchist because the words you
chose to use. No where was there any positive statement about the government in your statements, nothing to improve America, only a rant about
what's wrong. We have a lot of good here. we need to remember that we do have the freedoms that the rest of the world wants. just ask any person
if they would want to trade places with you and you might be surprised by the resounding yes you get. 
I agree with this statement. It's frustrating sometimes trying to find some good in all the things that have been going on lately.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:10 PM by Zipdot
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Originally posted by Ocelot
Damn.... I thought you were joking with the whole "intel business" crap. Why is it necessary for me to label myself so I fit into your narrow view
of the world? What's my vision for America? Simple A government by the people and for the people. Isn't that what America was supposed to be about?
Is that too much to ask? Where leaders are not corrupt and start wars that cost Amrican lives acting on false data? Where the government doesn't lie
to the people? A government that lets people live FREE and in peace? Is that too much to ask? America is not free anymore, it hasn't been for a very
long time 
Our government is by and for the people. We have that. My man Bush won and your man Kerry lost, but we both had a choice and a voice. The democrats
seem to forget that America is mostly made up of Republicans. The congressional elections this year prove this.
About the lies and false wars and whatever else you claim is happening, well, disagreement is your prerogative. You may disagree with the war to your
heart's content -- you are FREE to do so.
Zip
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:13 PM by jrsdls
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I know it's frustrating and it can be hard to see good sometimes. Right now we have forces fighting in Fullujah, men will die. I listened to some
of those troops there, they know that what they are doing is tough, but it is necessary. It takes the blood of people in order to bring freedom to a
land. We need to pray for our troops and support them now. let's not forget, we are American's first.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:22 PM by feyd rautha
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i agree, some democrats are very bad losers that is all. the electionprocess was closely observed from both parties there was no cheating. bush won
kerry lost, get over it. i am from europe and in my country i vote green. if i were american i wouldnt have voted at all, bush is a fundamentalist,
kerry a flipflop(warhero-warprotestor  that is really cheap!!!) and nader is a joke.
[edit on 8-11-2004 by feyd rautha]
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:29 PM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by Zipdot
Our government is by and for the people. We have that. My man Bush won and your man Kerry lost, but we both had a choice and a voice. The democrats
seem to forget that America is mostly made up of Republicans. The congressional elections this year prove this.

What makes you think Kerry is my man? I would have voted for Badnarik if I had the chance, but sadly us puerto ricans dont get a say as to who is
president.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:36 PM by jrsdls
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Ocelot,
Puetro Rico has had several votes on statehood. most have not been close. If the good folks of the PR want to have a say on the selection of a
President, then I would think they should apply for statehood again.
I personally would rather see PR as a state. I think that it would be beneficial to the citizens.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:41 PM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by jrsdls
Ocelot,
Puetro Rico has had several votes on statehood. most have not been close. If the good folks of the PR want to have a say on the selection of a
President, then I would think they should apply for statehood again.
I personally would rather see PR as a state. I think that it would be beneficial to the citizens. 
I know I know. Everytime a referendum is held on status people here vote against statehood. Can't say I blame them. Although I think PR will end up
being a state eventually.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:50 PM by jrsdls
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What is the main reason why the PR does not want statehood?
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:52 PM by Ocelot
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Originally posted by jrsdls
What is the main reason why the PR does not want statehood? 
Well mainly because people feel we will slowly loose our culture and our national identity if we become a state. That's basically the main reason if
I had to pick one.
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reply posted on 8-11-2004 @ 12:57 PM by jrsdls
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having lived 6 years in Alaska and going in and out of Hawaii, I can tell you those states have not lost their idenity or culture. oh well, I agree
with you, I think that the PR will become a state, along with Guam.
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