The Protests Have Begun...

jsobecky, you mean the machines that had a number on them, representing how many votes had been on the machine in its time? If you stopped watching GOP TV, I mean Fox you would know they weren't stuffed with Kerry votes, but had a number on them representing how many votes had been made on them during the entire time they had been used. Learn the facts, not the GOP Bu#, watch something other than Fox News. Fair and balanced my butt. Say you have a see-saw. The Fox News people think balanced is two people sitting on the right end, one in the middle, and none on the left.

But as ususal, this is looking to be a Rove maneuver

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Naw! I think it's time for some bloodshed in the streets. There comes a time when the chaff must be separated from the wheat.

I'd like to direct your gaze to the message at the top of this page of posts and ask that you consider the new intended tone of political discussionhere on ATS.

In addition, the support of violence toward a political ideological group will not be tolerated.

Thanks in advance for making the effort to moderate this type of rhetoric in the future.

Boy do I know it.

I had a post in this discussion deleted and I was formally warned.

I'll try to rephrase it civily.

Where were all the Republican protesters during Clinton?

Do these people have jobs?

That was basically it, just worded differently.

Are these new rules in the forums getting out of hand?

I have seen some mean spirited post that are still here. Was I singled out?

Hopefully I don't get another for this...after all I'm just asking questions.

Originally posted by MrNice

Are you implying that Kerry voters are more lazy than Bush voters?

Well if you think about it all of the Bush votes were done remotely so there was no need for Bush voters to go out, if indeed any did.

On the other hand the turnout for Kerry was so great that it caused a huge delay. And we all know thats a fact. Stolen election.

[edit on 8-11-2004 by evecasino]

I'm seeing a lot of Conservative anger around here, and as a conservative there is right to be angry.

But it's the direction of the anger that is wrong. I will be protesting myself, and yes I have a very good job. Considering Emerson is a bastion of great literature for the Republican Party, it's also wise to throw in a good measure of Thoreau.

Civil disobedience is vital when things are out of control. It is the control that the founding fathers founded in their new country.

Civil disobedience and even terrorism is advocated by our early history, regardless of what the "cause" is, it's all a matter of perspective as far as "just" is concerned.

The Republican Party is just not the Republican Party it used to be. Sure times change, but the small government, responsible spending is just not there anymore.

Look to the Libertarians, they will help us get that back so we can encourage liberty and a free economy.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
If you stopped watching GOP TV, I mean Fox you would know they weren't stuffed with Kerry votes, but had a number on them representing how many votes had been made on them during the entire time they had been used. Learn the facts, not the GOP Bu#, watch something other than Fox News. Fair and balanced my butt.

Your ignorance is showing. I heard the "facts" on the numbers directly from a person in the PA Attorney General's Office LIVE on CNN radio Tuesday morning. Whether or not her explanation was true or not is irrelevant. It can be and will be interpreted as voter fraud on the part of the Democrats, very much the same as the incidents in Ohio will be interpreted as evidence of fraud on the part of the Republicans, regardless of the proof.

So don't jump to pre-formed, stupid, ignorant, FALSE conclusions, Lesser. I didn't hear this from Fox News, you are trying to create a straw man argument, you are working from a false premise, you have no idea what my media menu consists of, and you just made yourself look like a biased partisan zealot, which you are. An uninformed biased partisan zealot.

As far as Nerdling's initial post, the incidents listed were far from what can be considered a widespread protest against the election:

Buffalo: Nothing more than juvenile vandalism

Boston: This one piqued my interest, since it's in my backyard and I hadn't heard of any protests. Turned out to be ONE drunk college kid climbing the scaffolding. Typical day in the lives of Boston college kids. The kid probably thought he was going to get a good seat for the Red Sox parade (held the weekend before).

Chicago: This was NOT a protest against the elections, but an on-going part of the Week of Resistance. No real connection.

San Francisco: Want to see the real face of protest? The first photo of this series says it all:
San Fran

Remember, no matter how you try to paint this as a massive anti-Bush protest, it just isn't. Something about lipstick on a pig.


Edit: Typo

[edit on 8-11-2004 by jsobecky]

Originally posted by jsobecky
As far as Nerdling's initial post, the incidents listed were far from what can be considered a widespread protest against the election:

As I recall, Nerdling said the 'protests are starting.' ...from what I can see, the Dems are working just as hard as the Republicans to defuse everything - but there IS widespread anger. Those who voted against Bush feel betrayed and ripped off, while pro-Bush voters feel like their neighbors are 'losers' who should take it on the chin. ...Looks like there's no winner here. Except maybe Halliburton, Merck and a few other chosen entities.



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um, just to say....

all of you who are saying how great it is that "someone is protesting, will it become a resistance," etc...you do realize how tiny a percentage of the respective populations of these cities is protesting? A percentage that is most likely entirely comprised of the disgusting "we hate bush for the following ideas that we aquired from TV and other propaganda sources, especially michael moore" group. More ignorant and blind people you would be hard pressed to find. Any real resisters wouldnt be wasting time dashing their puny strength against the walls; they would be planning a counter to the current changes in the political scene. The majority of these people protesting are the definition of what is going wrong in america. So don't waste your hopes. If you really want a change, do something yourself.
Me, I chose Bush over Kerry because Bush will most likely continue as he has been doing; who could say what Kerry would do? He's simply too dishonest to get any firm concept of. Bush isnt great, but I prefer the evil I know over the one I fear. In the meantime, however, I spend spare time working from the bottom up on making changes in a government that no longer has a connection to it's citizens. Much more useful than laying in the streets, don't you think?

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It's up to the people now, as it has been before. Does the people have what it takes
to take the power back, as they have done before in history? Or has McDonald food
slowed them down...

Concerned

Cade

I am kinda pissed that there isn't more coverage of this. We need to get a Drudge type on our side.

Media suppression?

from Bout Time
Clint: prove the case, we'll damn them all

But as ususal, this is looking to be a Rove maneuver

Whoa - I had to go back and read that twice!

Th person from the AG's office likened the numbers on the voting machine to a car's odometer. The trip meter had been zeroed out, the numbers were attributed to the odometer equivalent.

Sounds plausible; if I can dig anything to the contrary, I'll post it. But my response to the other poster still stands.