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32 Million Data Collection Points in San Diego Alone...The "Truth" is Coming Out

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posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by wills120

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by whyamIhere
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It has nothing to do with the video cameras.

It is how they are using the information.

Seriously, I can't figure out what you are trying to say.

The sheer paranoid ridiculous amount of information collected.

I live here. I have a precious child. I will be responsible for her safety.

But if your coming at me with "if you have nothing to hide" argument.

That's just a nonstarter for me...



Oooookay. How are they using the information? Obviously I can't figure out what YOU are trying to say. Seems to me that they are using the information to catch criminals, because they can't always be there in person to catch them. Sometimes, they ARE there in person to catch them - do you have a problem with that? Do you have a problem with a policeman hanging around the public park, to make sure someone doesn't break the law? If not, then consider the camera simply another policeman. If you DO have a problem with a policeman hanging around the public park -- then you are more paranoid than I thought. Or else, you are mad because you won't be able to break some law without getting caught.


Your argument is essentially that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." The problem with this is that it is almost always abused at some point (like we're seeing with the NSA and IRS).

We recently did away with stop-light cameras here in San Diego. The problem wasn't that de facto red-light runners were getting ticketed, it was that people legally turning right on red were getting these tickets to the tune of about $480!! Some people naively paid the tickets, others took them to court where they found that the traffic footage wasn't being reviewed by an officer - they were just signing off on them without looking at the circumstances of the driver.....A clear violation of the Bill of Rights.

NEVER trust the Govt. to do the right thing. There are good people in the Govt. but the problem isn't with the people, it's with the machine.



Essentially kaylaluv, what wills120 saying is this.

www.wired.com...


If the federal government had access to every email you’ve ever written and every phone call you’ve ever made, it’s almost certain that they could find something you’ve done which violates a provision in the 27,000 pages of federal statues or 10,000 administrative regulations. You probably do have something to hide, you just don’t know it yet.


www.washingtonpost.com...


Has the government gone too far? Or not far enough? How much privacy should we sacrifice for security?


Yes, the government has gone too far; and we should not be sacrificing privacy for security.

Yes, people can see what we do in public. But they cannot see what I do indoors. The government is now looking into our homes. They are seeing what we watch, what we do on the computer, what we say on the phone, and more. We have no privacy with this government.

Remember when Obama said Bush was wrong for spying on Americans? Those of us who warned about it then remember.
www.naturalnews.com...

newsbusters.org...

stpeteforpeace.org...

www.freerepublic.com...


To be honest I hate both republicans and Democrats, they are both corrupt and nothing more than a different face to the same coin.



And for the NSA seeing this, screw Obama, screw Bush, and screw every other prick in DC. Every single one of those in DC should be yanked out into the streets and horse whipped with a cat-o-nine tails and then dropped into a chum filled ocean so the sharks can have at them.

Raist
edit on 6/18/13 by Raist because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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Just think...the right solar flare could put your eye out for quite some time.

Ever had a simple laser pointer hit your FLIR device?



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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Then of course just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get me



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by pauljs75
Interesting thread.

I'm wondering with all the cameras and related paranoia if I should get in early on the market relating to high-intensity IR LEDs. The results just might be dazzling. Not to say that it wouldn't be either, most security cameras with a "night vision" capability lack an IR filter.


I am starting to wonder if I've invested the wrong direction. Firearms may not be the cat's meow. We may want to look more into pulse laser rifles. Slap a 500-1000yrd capable scope on it, match it to something like a high intensity green laser and set it all up to a trigger. Cam-Sniping might even become a profitable thing in underground circles.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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At this point, I'm thinking we just need an extinction-level event. Just wipe us all off the face of the planet. It's the only way to solve the human condition. Keeping my fingers crossed for a huge meteor...



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Recently, there was a lot of debate about the "Traffic Signal Cameras" and the capacity in which they would be used. There was also discussion on the circumstances that would warrrant a citation generated by those cameras.

There was a small victory for the citizens here (Knoxville, TN), as the state government found their use unacceptable in some situations. I am not sure, but I believe there was even refunds given to those who were wrongly ticketed.

The talk continued and it was common to hear the mention of new cameras going up. The information was available for those who want to know which intersection would be equipped with violation fetecting cameras... The problem is, people don't realize that many of the cameras are not listed as traffic enforcement devices.

Although there is only a low percentage of traffic signals capable of delivering misdimeanor citations, nearly every single traffic light, at nearly every single intersection, is equipped with cameras - active, perfectly functioning cameras.

There is an obvious difference between the surveillance cameras and the citation cameras.
Regardless of the glaring difference, no one questions why the surveillance cameras were installed everywhere, or why they are a requirement.

I know, since the 'government spy efforts' have come to light, I have been questioning the purpose of these cameras much morclosely and seriously. I hope everyone here, and wherever else this is happening, begin to realize these surveillance cameras are not for citations and most likely act as a tool for spying on an unsuspecting public.

All those crazy conspiracy-minded, 'Big Brother' nuts may be right!!

Does anyone remember the video where a guy broke down his cable TV service?

He opened the cable box the cable company provided and found a small camera. It was positioned next to the remote-control signal receiver, pointing in the direction of those watching TV.

To prove it wasn't a hoax, he contacted his cable provider and requested a new cable box. He recorded it's delivery in a sealed box. He recorded himself opening the sealed box and removing the cable box. He continued recording as he removed the cable box's metal sleave (casing), just as he did with the original cable box.

Just like the original cable box, the camera was in precisely the same location and mounted the same way.

Later on, I think in a different video, he connected the cable box. Then, with the cable box powered on and the TV playing a movie, he disconnected the camera. Within 2 minutes he received a phone call from his cable company, notifying him there may be a malfunction with his box or the service in his area. They said they were working to resolve it and they would have a technician in his area the following day...

I didn't watch the other videos he may have made, but I believe he did go ahead and record the rest of the situation, the arrival of the technician, etc.

This was several years ago and I remember showing it to a few people and everyone becoming very defensive, saying it was a hoax and that a big cable company or government wouldn't be so blatantly deceitful and would not spy on their own people.

I remember one person questioning why they would ever want to spy on their customers in the first-place. I guess we know that such actions are not so far-fetched. If a government will spy on it's people, why wouldn't a large corporation do the same?



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by wills120

Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by wills120

Government can exist peacefully with the people as long as it adheres to the tenets of The Constitution.



Right....

How's that working out?

From my perspective, law enforcement, the judicial system, and the Corporate fascist government lapdogs could care less about the Constitution. I hold as evidence the San Diego data collection agenda to enforce their idea of conformity.

Remember the boiling frog analogy....how long until cameras in PRIVATE places mandated by the state?

Do you think the Patriot act falls inline with the Constitution? I don't

Do you think the below reference adheres to the spirit of the Constitution.


______beforeitsnews/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/06/more-intrusive-than-eavesdropping-nsa-collection-of-metadata-hands-govt-sweeping-personal -info-2448058.html

edit on 18-6-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)


I agree with you....it's not working obviously. I live in cul-de-sac that has a 4-way stop light. On each arm is a camera with one that points right at my house - I'm absolutely sure that they can see when I leave, when my wife and daughter are outside, contents of my garage, etc. We know that this data is being stored for 2 years and that's the problem. To me, the storage of data pertaining to my movements should be considered as part of an "ongoing investigation" without probable cause and therefore subject to the restrictions of the Fourth Amendment.

Smaller, limited Government would, in theory, eliminate this as the funding simply wouldn't be available for this. I understand the need for cameras at the border and military installations but having 32m "collection points" in San Diego is unacceptable.


I would go to the city and ask them to remove it. Otherwise a chainsaw can remedy that problem.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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If the new cable boxes have the same cameras the cable company here is getting a lot of free porn from the wife and I. Unless it only works when the box is on then they are only getting it from time to time. If the camera is near the light they are not getting anything as that is covered with tape to make it darker.

Raist



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Raist
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If the new cable boxes have the same cameras the cable company here is getting a lot of free porn from the wife and I. Unless it only works when the box is on then they are only getting it from time to time. If the camera is near the light they are not getting anything as that is covered with tape to make it darker.

Raist


Haha, I was thinking the same thing. I'll try and get a photo of the cameras....there's 4 of them and they're pretty high up - definitely not something I can take care of with a chainsaw.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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And this is why I moved out of California years ago when all of my friends and family kept calling me crazy for going to higher ground. I had a feeling when the patriot act crap started up these days would come. Now they are stuck there and opening their eyes and seeing what I was warning them about and they are looking to leave too.

They closed in all around you and it's too damn late now.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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I will bet you anything that behind this initiative is a rich and corrupt corporation getting a huge contract from the police either for providing the equipment, or the database/networking, or both.

I am convinced that most "organized" corruption in government is due to corporations and other rich people corrupting them.
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posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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Sounds like good jobs for kids with lone-ranger masks and BB guns?



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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This bothers me a little bit because it makes me feel like my government doesn`t trust me. My government expects me to trust them, they even have secret funds and programs that as a citizen I am not allowed to know about, but they act like they don`t trust me.
People and organizations that find it hard to trust others often feel that way because they know that they themselves can`t be trusted.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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There are lots of Gov't employees, cops included, who will be making more in retirement from your taxes than those professions that saved a million $ on their own for their retirement.

Gov't employees will gladly continue as long as they get their paychecks. Socialism at work.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:30 PM
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You guys are hilarious because it seems like most of you didn't even know this. There have been many news reports of hackers finding out that F.B.I and other goverments had random phone numbers/laptop numbers/adresses etc. in their datebase and that they had pretty much some information about the person.

And btw there is a new update on facebook: Put your phone number for security!
When it is known that the facebook creator was chosen to be the men of the year because he helped F.B.I and others. with such creation.

No one is safe on the internet unless you're behind a couple of proxies all the time but still you're not 100% safe, since sites like google/youtube use cookies which means they can see what you're typing in google and will have this history and via these cookies they can track you.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:34 PM
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SERIOUS QUESTION: I've read just about everything there is to read about how government watches us...again, not new news to me, and I barely needed any proof of it.

What is there to do about it? It's not like if we ask them nicely to stop, they will. They also won't stop if we go rioting in the streets about it...um...Occupy? Boy was that shut down, and a lot of people got hurt.

Face it people, they will own you if they want to own you. Through humanity, this isn't new either.

My statement isn't in any way stating passiveness, nor complacency...but there is, unfortunately truth in it.

Our world governments and big corporations OWN the world. This isn't new news!

If anyone has any ideas, other than reiterating what has been going on for thousands of years now, I'd like to hear it. The only way I can see getting away from it is going off to live in a cave.
edit on 6/18/2013 by Pleiadianwaves because: Spelling errors



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
I don't really understand the outrage. If I am out walking around in public, anyone could look at me, right? I mean, it's not against the law to look at someone who is in a public area, right? I sit at public park benches and people-watch for hours. Am I doing something evil? If I see a man trying to abduct a child while I'm people-watching, I will do something to stop it. Is that bad?

If I am driving my car on a public road, anyone could see my license plate, right? It's not illegal to look at someone's license plate if their car is on a public street. If I am the perpetrator of a hit and run, and someone turns me in based on seeing my license plate, is that bad?

If you don't want anyone to look at you or your car, don't go or drive outside. Now, let me know when they start putting cameras in people's homes. That IS bad. But in public areas where everyone and anyone can see you anyway, I don't see the big deal.



Ummm - cameras and microphones that can be remotely turned on for monitoring purposes are already in your home - unless you do not own a cell phone.

That aside, pumping your location through to a database that stores where your vehicle was on what day and time, is not something you should be happy about. It does nothing for your personal safety and you can bet that all owners of vehicle IDs in the area of crime are now suspects. So when you get dragged in for questioning because your car was parked within the area of a drug shooting that you had nothing to do with, and when your DNA is connected during that interview, and when all of those data points head over to an unrestricted Fusion collection center, and when that data results in your threat score being elevated, please do not cry to anyone that there was some injustice committed. You are either here to spread tactical thread derailment or you are here to open your mind. If the later, then get with the program. If the former, then may the plagues of Moses be on you and yours.



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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Some of you probably feel at home when I say this:

For years I've been the crazy one for saying to my whole family and friends about living surveillance state. Today they know I was right and they were wrong !

I bet you the same thing is going on in Canada, we're best buddies!



posted on Jun, 18 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
At this point, I'm thinking we just need an extinction-level event. Just wipe us all off the face of the planet. It's the only way to solve the human condition. Keeping my fingers crossed for a huge meteor...


But with all the cameras. We'll likely see it early enough that we can divert the damn thing!



posted on Jun, 19 2013 @ 01:31 AM
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Well tbh, most people aren't gonna do anything about it. We've learned to succumb to the state and accept anything it does. All for our own good n safety eh.



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