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Originally posted by wills120
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by whyamIhere
reply to post by kaylaluv
It has nothing to do with the video cameras.
It is how they are using the information.
Seriously, I can't figure out what you are trying to say.
The sheer paranoid ridiculous amount of information collected.
I live here. I have a precious child. I will be responsible for her safety.
But if your coming at me with "if you have nothing to hide" argument.
That's just a nonstarter for me...
Oooookay. How are they using the information? Obviously I can't figure out what YOU are trying to say. Seems to me that they are using the information to catch criminals, because they can't always be there in person to catch them. Sometimes, they ARE there in person to catch them - do you have a problem with that? Do you have a problem with a policeman hanging around the public park, to make sure someone doesn't break the law? If not, then consider the camera simply another policeman. If you DO have a problem with a policeman hanging around the public park -- then you are more paranoid than I thought. Or else, you are mad because you won't be able to break some law without getting caught.
Your argument is essentially that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." The problem with this is that it is almost always abused at some point (like we're seeing with the NSA and IRS).
We recently did away with stop-light cameras here in San Diego. The problem wasn't that de facto red-light runners were getting ticketed, it was that people legally turning right on red were getting these tickets to the tune of about $480!! Some people naively paid the tickets, others took them to court where they found that the traffic footage wasn't being reviewed by an officer - they were just signing off on them without looking at the circumstances of the driver.....A clear violation of the Bill of Rights.
NEVER trust the Govt. to do the right thing. There are good people in the Govt. but the problem isn't with the people, it's with the machine.
If the federal government had access to every email you’ve ever written and every phone call you’ve ever made, it’s almost certain that they could find something you’ve done which violates a provision in the 27,000 pages of federal statues or 10,000 administrative regulations. You probably do have something to hide, you just don’t know it yet.
Has the government gone too far? Or not far enough? How much privacy should we sacrifice for security?
Originally posted by pauljs75
Interesting thread.
I'm wondering with all the cameras and related paranoia if I should get in early on the market relating to high-intensity IR LEDs. The results just might be dazzling. Not to say that it wouldn't be either, most security cameras with a "night vision" capability lack an IR filter.
Originally posted by wills120
Originally posted by olaru12
Originally posted by wills120
Government can exist peacefully with the people as long as it adheres to the tenets of The Constitution.
Right....
How's that working out?
From my perspective, law enforcement, the judicial system, and the Corporate fascist government lapdogs could care less about the Constitution. I hold as evidence the San Diego data collection agenda to enforce their idea of conformity.
Remember the boiling frog analogy....how long until cameras in PRIVATE places mandated by the state?
Do you think the Patriot act falls inline with the Constitution? I don't
Do you think the below reference adheres to the spirit of the Constitution.
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edit on 18-6-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)
I agree with you....it's not working obviously. I live in cul-de-sac that has a 4-way stop light. On each arm is a camera with one that points right at my house - I'm absolutely sure that they can see when I leave, when my wife and daughter are outside, contents of my garage, etc. We know that this data is being stored for 2 years and that's the problem. To me, the storage of data pertaining to my movements should be considered as part of an "ongoing investigation" without probable cause and therefore subject to the restrictions of the Fourth Amendment.
Smaller, limited Government would, in theory, eliminate this as the funding simply wouldn't be available for this. I understand the need for cameras at the border and military installations but having 32m "collection points" in San Diego is unacceptable.
Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by esteay812
If the new cable boxes have the same cameras the cable company here is getting a lot of free porn from the wife and I. Unless it only works when the box is on then they are only getting it from time to time. If the camera is near the light they are not getting anything as that is covered with tape to make it darker.
Raist
Originally posted by kaylaluv
I don't really understand the outrage. If I am out walking around in public, anyone could look at me, right? I mean, it's not against the law to look at someone who is in a public area, right? I sit at public park benches and people-watch for hours. Am I doing something evil? If I see a man trying to abduct a child while I'm people-watching, I will do something to stop it. Is that bad?
If I am driving my car on a public road, anyone could see my license plate, right? It's not illegal to look at someone's license plate if their car is on a public street. If I am the perpetrator of a hit and run, and someone turns me in based on seeing my license plate, is that bad?
If you don't want anyone to look at you or your car, don't go or drive outside. Now, let me know when they start putting cameras in people's homes. That IS bad. But in public areas where everyone and anyone can see you anyway, I don't see the big deal.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
At this point, I'm thinking we just need an extinction-level event. Just wipe us all off the face of the planet. It's the only way to solve the human condition. Keeping my fingers crossed for a huge meteor...