Is there anything in the constitution that would allow us to get rid of them all?

I think Congressman have nightmares of that. Not of the draft itself...they could care less. It's the political cost of John Q. Citizen blaming them personally for it.

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hah, kinda serves them right, though, but short of what other people have already mentioned(ie not paying taxes, convention, et cetera) why not just not vote in the next election? i mean, the electoral college might still vote, but the message would definitely get through...IF everyone, or close to it didn't vote. imagine that on the next election day voting polls: '...and the popular vote for ( name candidate here) is... zero?!

Elected officials and appointed bureaucrats can all be Impeached...albeit individually not collectively.

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Why even consider not voting? As corrupt as the political campaign system is with mainstream candidates getting a totally lopsided endorsement from the globalist machine, people can still vote in the primaries and still vote in the general elections. I am not going to bring up a ballot again to prove my point, but come on how difficult can it be to write "santa claus" in the other candidate section, or vote for some independent? How hard can it possibly be?

Telling people to not vote is sickening man. Voting exists so that we can PEACEFULLY CHANGE the administrators of government to our liking. If the administrators are controlled by evil forces then naturally we get screwed and come back to ats to whine like children. Most people don't take their voting priviledge seriously enough thinking everyone is the same. NO they are not all the same!

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by TheNewRevolution

 

Exactly, a revolution is the only way. A revolution of the very machinations that govern societies, including influences from commercial activities and other corrupt means of influencing rule making.

A cohesive strategy for revolution is required first. Commencing with the legalities of making new policies, new rule makers, new processes for democracy, a new model for power structures, a new ideology of financial management and so and so forth, there is a gargantuan range of things that have to be organised and properly documented first for ensuring a smooth revolution instead of rapid chaos, a flow of revolution that completely denies the likes of mafias any influence at all on any of the procedures.

A government for the people would have to be very carefully planned before any inclination of revolution would be feasible. That and the backing of the largest percentage of the population, who would be privy to and in agreement with the proposed policies.

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That is theabsolutetruth.

But before anything like that could happen we would have to acknowledge who we really are and how we got where we are.

So where are we? We are in the friggin' MELTING POT and none of the fruits and nuts and veggies and frogs in the pot with us will ever be cohesive enough in their desires to demand the right to exist outside the pot. It is for this reason that we are not BY LAW allowed to congregate where any such cohesion could occur. The canard that doing such would be discriminatory against someone is what keeps us all in the pot together.

The stew is becoming mush.

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Advocates of a New Constitutional Convention and/or Revolution be careful what you wish for....a convention can result in a backroom deal (delegates threatened or bought off) that "fundamentally transforms" our republic. You could see the Bill of Rights (including 1,2 & 4A) erased! As to a "revolution"....the end result would be tabula rasa (or a clean slate which also might not include those inalienable rights you so cherish - depending on who won and who was on the Constitutional Committee (see "convention" above).

Anarchy, but I don't think it's considered constitutional though.


But yeah. That would work.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
Anarchy, but I don't think it's considered constitutional though.


But yeah. That would work.

There's the clue. Anything that would work is unconstitutional.

I hate that fact as much as the next guy but try to dispute it ....

Yes, the "how to" is described in the phoenix journals, www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com just use the search box on the site. It is described in detail, can be done peacefully and within the system.

Non interference is not the same thing as laying down or surrendering.

Leap of faith and know this to be true.....they always end up unraveling themselves because they want to control the outcome....so let them.

Originally posted by supremecommander
A constitutional convention?

For what? That document holds no power in this land, period. Anyone who believes such is a fool.

They will violate your privacy. They will take your guns. They will SHUT YOUR MOUTHS, AND MAKE YOU KNEEL.

And go to the airport and spread your legs for your enhanced pat down and/or radiation from the body scanner. Complacency is acceptance. How can anyone complain now? No one has done anything about this. People voted Obama back in. Now here we are.

reply to post by Taissa

And go to the airport and spread your legs for your enhanced pat down and/or radiation from the body scanner. Complacency is acceptance. How can anyone complain now? No one has done anything about this. People voted Obama back in. Now here we are.

Jesse Ventura tried, he took TSA to court for feeling him up like a gang of perverts and see how that worked out? The judge stalled on hearing Jesse's case until the court's "jurisdiction" ran out and they just threw it out of court.

Then a judge who gets caught selling kids for cash to the private, for profit prison system gets sentenced to less than thirty years when his own time behind bars should have AT LEAST equaled the time served by each and every one of those kids whose lives he ruined. Does anyone want to bet his sentence gets reduced to a slap on the wrist? If nothing else, that abomination should have proved to enough people that the entire system of "just us" is such a fraud that no one would ever bother to show up in a court room again.

On second thought, Storming the Bastille has a really nice ring to it.

If I have to post this video a thousand times in different threads then that is what I will do. The constitution itself is not the problem, at least not the bill of rights. What will a constitutional convention accomplish when people do not comprehend the full scope of the problem? Who are the bilderbergers, why is the vatican corrupt, why are the royal families of the world still running things behind the curtain? Why are we not getting ufo and alien disclosure? Why are "third parties" not allowed to debate on the national debates? Why this and why that? I have spend years trying to figure stuff out and rarely use "wake up" because its too generic and too cliche. We must know what the heck we are talking about before people take us seriously.

People focus on bashing the opposing big party in the hope that the other big party will win and miraculously fix things. THEY WON'T because they BOTH work for the same team. Obama bashing is ok but we should really dig deeper here.

The libertarians were on every state ballot that previous time and only got .99% of the vote. The greens, constitutionalists, justicinians, socialists got much less. Seriously folks we have the chance to change things peacefully before we consider anarchy and a bloody revolution. I don't fear revolutions but damm it it better be worth it.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

The constitution itself is not the problem, at least not the bill of rights. What will a constitutional convention accomplish when people do not comprehend the full scope of the problem?

“At least not the Bill of Rights”.

Well, there you go, that’s the full scope. IF the first ten amendments were the whole of the document, how much better off would we all be right now? And that’s the point, the Bill of Rights was put there to guarantee that a centralized federal government could never overstep its authority to harangue and harass the states and the people of the states. But see, the authors of the constitution knew ahead of time that a Bill of Rights would have to be included in order to get the thing ratified at all so they dropped a few little extras into the main body of the document that would allow them to gradually override those first ten amendments ~ extras like the general welfare clause and the treaty clause and the supremacy clause. Worked like a charm.

If a constitutional convention was set up by the states to do nothing BUT agree to throw out the above listed wiggle words we’d be able to scratch out much of the feds incremental intrusiveness, although we can plainly see that there is no such thing as a “separation” of powers anyway so what good would it do to keep any of that? Don’t we have enough proof yet that all three branches are in this game together? Against us? I say keep the ten and scrap the rest.

But in the end, its all just words on paper, unfortunately people DO tend to treat those words as sacred, sometimes without even knowing the exact words ~ well obviously not everyone, especially not the forked tongued few who swear an oath to represent “the people” and then don't.

Maybe after the dust settled Washington DC could be declared an international holocaust museum where kids could go to learn about the insane people there who got hundreds of millions of people murdered in a 240 year reign of terror.

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Yet whenever someone tries to discuss the root cause of things he is labelled all kinds of derogatory things and it is hinted that they need medical attention. Unless we get rid of taboos I don't think we will get anywhere. The constitution is what it is and centralised government has both good and bad features to it. All nations have centralised government to an extent, so that by itself does not tell me anything.

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Look at the bbc host making the hand sign for crazy at the end.

They bait truthers and then wonder why they explode.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Well I really wasn't trying to tell you anything, just giving my opinion on the subject.

As a purely non-interventionist type its not my business to tell other countries whether or not they should have a centralized government or how it should be organized or what they should use as currency, the US is my only concern. We have a big enough mess on our own hands to be slinging our bloody weight around the world.

Ask a dozen people what they think the root cause for our sick society is and you'll probably get a dozen different answers, maybe more that that, along with some deer in the headlight looks. That's because we all disagree on damn near everything. But (and this is key) WE ARE STUCK WITH EACH OTHER in ever tighter more restricted places. Love thy neighbor? Hah. Ask a dozen people THAT question.

My opinion on the "roots" of it is that in every culture/society/country/region there are always a few who inherently believe that they are superior to all others, whether it be intellectually or as a special endorsement from the gods (divine right) and if you put a few of these self appointed "gifted ones" together in a closed room you're going to end up with top down rules laid down on the masses without any consideration of what the masses want or what is beneficial to them. Every. Single. Time.

While central governments may originate with convincing arguments and heady promises as to why they and they alone can manage things for the plodding peons who couldn't get their shoes on the right feet without help, and while a lot of people think that THEY aren't that stupid, all those OTHER idiots out there need to be bossed around or they'll mess things up for everyone, most just want to go their own ways unmolested. But that isn't how it works.

And in the end, all the proffered guidance and management of the centralizers isn't based on mutual agreement or persuasion or even respect, but by sheer force. That's why central governments don't ever last for very long before they come apart at the seams. Yes, the grand illusion of elections has extended this particular government's life expectancy, but the new is wearing off fast and it won't hold much longer. The natives are increasingly restless and our gifted ones want an uprising as that's a fight they know they can win. Non cooperation and civil disobedience on a massive scale is what they fear most because they need us more than we need them.

jmo

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I fear the divine right types that are guided by the annukaki space race. This is what worries me. They have planned all major world wars including world war 3. Albert Pike the sovereign grandmaster of the southern jurisdiction of the scottish right of masonry in america was apparently tasked with thinning out the herd.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.threeworldwars.com...

World government is awful. National central government not that much. The EU is the real disaster in the making.



Socialism within capitalism is always doomed to fail, and it happend by design. The ECB is privately owned just like the Federal Reserve in the usa. I guess we can call everything state capitalism.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by frazzle

 

I fear the divine right types that are guided by the annukaki space race. This is what worries me. They have planned all major world wars including world war 3. Albert Pike the sovereign grandmaster of the southern jurisdiction of the scottish right of masonry in america was apparently tasked with thinning out the herd.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.threeworldwars.com...

World government is awful. National central government not that much. The EU is the real disaster in the making.



Socialism within capitalism is always doomed to fail, and it happend by design. The ECB is privately owned just like the Federal Reserve in the usa. I guess we can call everything state capitalism.

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Yeah, I've been doing some independent research on secret societies on another website that's run by that Brit dude who apparently shall remain unnamed on this forum and that is definitely a major problem. I'm still wavering on the space aliens business, my mind just won't go there, but those guys are all whacked out and its what THEY believe that is the issue. Their "need" for secrecy is the whole issue, whether its a private group or a government ~or both working in tandem.

My only hope for bringing down their one world government/currency/religion plan rests with Russia and BRICS since we westerners certainly aren't ever going to get it done, the ss (secret societies) think they own our very souls.

And yes to being pro national as opposed to international except for the fact that the international banking gang and their hangers-on in governments around the world have been busily erasing national boundaries and national identities/cultures for centuries, just like the US has effectively erased the state boundaries over the years.

But Putin and his friends seem to have a pretty good grip on how business can be done between sovereign nations in a fair and equitable manner without losing their borders and sublimating themselves to an outside entity like that other secret society, WTO. It would be such a kick in the britches if America was finally rescued from its own stupidity by Russia. And China.

Actually I think Putin already has a higher approval rating in the US than the prez, congress and the supremes all combined. I say go Vlad!

I understand the Op's question....Answer is no.

However, Our Founding Fathers were very wise.

They knew all about Liberty. They were very aware this could happen.

Wrabbit2000 nailed the other day as I see it here is the remedy.

We have three co-equal branches of Government. We have lost two of them.

But we still have the Judicial Branch. Our judges are still locking up Criminals.

These people that have sold out our Nation are still subject to arrest.

With the ridiculous amount of memory loss going on. I would suggest locking a few up.

Nothing jogs the memory like those bars closing. Don't give up on the system in place.

It is too bad we cannot just flush...