reply to post by Ribox12
Ribox12, first the Rafale has never defeated the F-22 BVR or WVR.
Second, the Grippen has never trained or flown against a Raptor. ( Red Flag is a DACT event and if there was contact it wouldn't reflect aircraft
On top of that, my points are irrelevant as any training between different platforms are called "D.A.C.T's".
Different aircraft combat training. All of which have restrictions placed on them for the purpose of that training. No information is released on the
rules of those DACT events. Therefore ANY conclusion based on "scores" is useless information.
One more point, having followed the Raptor as a fan, not an expert, for the fifteen years that the raptor has flown, I know of NO defeats of the
All Rafale, Typhoon, T-37 and F-18-who broke DACT rules- were WVR.
There is no training benefit in being shot down when you don't even know where the opponent is. Therefore it doesn't happen in training as it is of
no benefit to the plane "shot down".
As far as the EF goes, the Germans pounded their chests, rightfully so as a DACT with no more than theoretic tactics existed for F-22 vs 4.5 highly
maneuverable opponents. Since then, the Germans have come out and said the two plane were equal in WVR.
The wing Commander of the RAF's X1 squadron who flew both with and against the Raptor at Langley earlier this year flat out raved about the
maneuverability of the Raptor. I'd guess definite improvements to the F-22 tactics.
Finally and perhaps the most important point is the Raptor is part of a composite of various planes and capabilities. When the remote targeting, data
sharing of the U.S. strike packages are factored in, and continued upgrades, not only will the F-22 and the U.S. dominate, it will be at a level that
hasn't been achieved by one country ever before.