Originally posted by deadeyedick
I think that if one chooses sides then they have already lost the battle.
Which side compels you to fight?
Which side do you choose?
The internal struggle of the self verses the spirit...
Its not a war of religion... its a war of the spirit vs the flesh... the physical world vs the immaterial
We need to be constantly reborn through an external spirit that we can't see, which is why it is called a spirit.
ALL of us, every single one of us are born of the flesh and the spirit... Yet through out ones life, through our experiences we freely choose to accept or deny the spirit within...
Originally posted by bloodreviara
Actually forcing a choice between one of two things on people
sure seems to be of the flesh, as you call it, to me. Why cant
we all just be people with differences and leave it at that,
one does not have to be superior to the other, its all about ego
as usual, just like every other religion you wish to defame
those who chose a path different than yours, i do not believe
in spirituality yet i have a very strong sense of empathy, that
seems to fly in the face of your claims......
This kind of thing is funny because its similar to a job title
that comes with no benefit to the employee at all, like being
promoted to executive assistant from just plain assistant, it
didn't come with a raise, no extra responsibility or authority
just the title, does that change the person? not really, it may
change the attitude for whatever reason but as everything
in this world its simply relative to the observer.
I guess in short, just because you claim a title of say spiritualist
does not therefore give you any less potential for violence than
any other title would, humans decide for themselves what their
morality will be, we do not need a title to dictate it anymore than
we need a religion to dictate it.
Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives lifed because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because ofe his Spirit who lives in you.
Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.f And by him we cry, “Abba Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Romans 8:5-16
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Galatians 5:19-26
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:1-2
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Ephesians 2:1-3
That's one of those sayings that I have a hard time placing in context. To me (Matt 26:41) seems to mean:
"I understand Peter, that you may want to be praying that you not enter temptation, but sleep seems more important to you at the moment." I don't really get it in its context.
However, it is a much used phrase which I even sometimes use, such as, "I really have this great idea for a thread, but if I post it, I'll have to stay up another 3 hours or so to keep up with the comments, and I really don't think I have it in me at the moment, I feel like I should have gone to bed 2 hours ago."
It isn't always the physical that is the limiting factor, the emotional is quite often the limiting factor. The emotional, I take as physical and spiritual. We have limits. In emergencies we borrow from our own future well being in order to do the necessary, we pay later. We cannot function for long in a steady emergency mode. We would burn out.
Originally posted by NewtonDKC
reply to post by Akragon
I have struggled countless times trying to put together a coherent description of what makes me so different from so many other people. I was one of those who grew up entertaining the idea that I was an alien somehow incarnated into a human body and stuck on this planet of people that I absolutely cannot relate to, understand or comprehend for a very good portion of the time. It's not that I hate people, I just do not understand how people can be so mean and cruel and cold to others that have done nothing to them, especially nothing to generate such intense hate or violent thoughts, and especially animals that are trusting or dependent on humans to care for them.
Now that I'm an adult, I spend the majority of my time away from other humans, excpet for work or other times that require it. I am far more comfortable with my pets and in my house, my own little world as it were. :-) And of course I now realize the whole "alien stuck in this world" thoughts when I was kid were an innate defense mechanism to help deal with the trauma of cruel and mean people. Eventually in college I met friends that I connected with who felt the same, and will always feel a kindred connection with no matter how speed out we now are. And places like ATS have helped me realize I could very well be an alien or something else that did indeed choose to come to world to experience it, perhaps to find others, learn, or something else :-) I say that jokingly, but there are some days, when horrific things are going on in the world, or sometimes just an unfiltered look at the way the world and nature works (ie animals and plants have to die to feed the living, nature is biased against "nice" or "sensitive" for pretty much every instance other than caring for the young or cooperative survival, and can indeed often be significant marks against survival! ) that I choose to entertain the idea could be real in the hopes that something better does exist somewhere. I'm sure a pshrink would have a field day, but personally I think most people are more crazy than I could ever be, so I'm content with being a kind hearted wacko. :-)
But before I typed all this self love, the whole purpose of me posting was to simply congratulate you on articulating a concise and easy to understand description of how often the population that I encounter seems to be. Certainly not everyone is bad, and the way the world works you pretty much have to be horrible sometimes in someways in order to survive, but at times it can feel overwhelming. I certainly don't want to come off as being judgemental of others and thinking I am the definitive word on what is right wrong and mean, not at all and my usual encounter is simply to feel overwhelmed and confused and just completely not understanding or "getting" how people are rather than some self-appointed decider of who is better than others. Instead I just feel like a total outcast, without any desire to fit in.
I do find that IF you can have a true conversation with someone - without them worrying that someone will hear them or that you are trying to play them for some ulterior purpose - that many people do feel closer to how I do than I'd normally think possible. But then there are those who for whatever reason look at me like I'm a complete nut job to ever even consider that animals have feelings, are worth more than dinner or fur, that insects are worth catching in a cup and set free outside than crushing them to death, or that people of different races or idealogies are the same species or deserve any compassion or consideration, much less believing them equal as opposed or those who grudgingly just "treat them" as equals if necessary.
As such, its little surprise to me that if aliens are truly peaceful and compassionate its no wonder they don't bother communicating (if they don't) for humanity in its current mass generalizations don't even know they have any growing to do, and as such aren't anyway near identifying the nightmares that exist that must be changed for everyone and everything to be happy.
Originally posted by Akragon
There are two types of people in this world... Those that are born of the flesh, and those that are born of the spirit... .
These two factions of the human condition are at war with one another... Its a war that has lasted for millennia...
The internal struggle of the self verses the spirit...
edit on 17-6-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)