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Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd
unlucky love, those are the rules, adios
Elliott Ashton Welsh II was convicted of refusing to submit to induction into the armed forces - he had requested conscientious objector status but did not base his claim on any religious beliefs. He said that he could neither affirm nor deny the existence of a Supreme Being. Instead, he said his anti-war beliefs were based upon "reading in the fields of history and sociology."
Basically, Welsh claimed that his had serious moral opposition to conflicts in which people are being killed. He argued that even though he was not a member of any traditional religious group, the depth of sincerity of his belief should qualify him for exemption from military duty under the Universal Military Training and Service Act. This statute, however, allowed only those people whose opposition to the war was based on religious beliefs to be declared conscientious objectors - and that did not technically include Welsh.
In a 5-3 decision with the majority opinion written by Justice Black, the Supreme Court decided that Welsh could to be declared a conscientious objector even though he declared that his opposition to war was not based on religious convictions.
The USCIS has told her,
“Please submit a letter on official church stationery, attesting to the fact that you are a member in good standing and the church’s official position on the bearing of arms.”
I don't believe in using violence, however I will do what i have to do, to protect my family and my people, even if it means i may die for there is no greater love than to give ones life for their friends.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by ganjoa
Not that this has anything to do with immigration BUT
Here in Texas, neither atheist nor poly-theist is eligible to hold political office based on the Texas state constitution one must acknowledge a single supreme being in order to be eligible. Some research reveals that the TX Secretary of State and TX Attorney General's office are in agreement that this provision of the Texas Consitution is unenforceable.
Yep, I am aware of Texas' constitution. Here are some more "unenforcable" regulations on the books:
The constitutions of these seven US states ban atheists from holding public office:
Arkansas: "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."
Maryland: "That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.”
Mississippi: "No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."
North Carolina: "The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."
South Carolina: "No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."
Tennessee: "No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.
"Texas: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."
An eighth state constitution discriminates against atheists by affording special protection to theists only.
Pennsylvania: "No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth.
Being a natural born US citizen, I never had to pass a test to become a citizen, nor did I have to swear that I would "take up arms" to defend my country. But If I was asked the same question as this woman, Margaret Doughty, my answer would have been much the same as hers.
Talk about irony. Atheists insist that we were not founded as a Christian nation and then present a huge piece of evidence showing that to be a lie.
This seems to be the new "argument" now - that religion is required for morality.
New? It's not new at all. I've been told that, but for the 10 commandments plastered on all government buildings, we'd all be eating each others brain goo.
I have yet to rape or murder anyone. I don't steal, I try to avoid lying, I'm a helpful person and try to be kind to everyone around me. All of that time, not believing in a god, or gods as defined by any religion.
guess that's just a fluke.
To become a U.S. citizen, you will still have to attend an oath ceremony and make a pledge of allegiance to the United States. However, permanent residents who are “conscientious objectors” to military service and those whose religion has instructed them not to use the word “oath,” can request a modified oath from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). Please see “What to Expect at the Naturalization Oath Ceremony” to learn more this final step of the U.S. citizenship process.
There are four phrases of the oath you may be allowed to omit due to your “religious training and beliefs”:
“On oath” (You will instead use “solemnly affirm.”)
“So help me God”
“Willing to bear arms on behalf of the U.S.”
“Willing to perform noncombatant services in the Armed Forces of the U.S.”
You must attach information to your N-400 application stating that you are a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in good standing (an active participant in congregational events) along with a letter on official letterhead that Jehovah’s Witnesses are opposed to bearing arms, military service, and using the words “on oath.” In your case, a letter from your congregation’s elder is considered adequate evidence.
Please note that your objection to military service must be based on a sincerely held religious training or belief (not a mere personal philosophy), but you do not need to be a member of a religious organization to request a modified oath.