precedent has been set recognizing the right to object without religious reasoning,
In fact, at a simple glance, I would venture the author is a pissed off atheist making a mountain out of a mole hill. That is what I thought initially, and my interactions with said author quickly confirmed this in this very thread. Page 3 I think.
Either way it was a dumb move. She shoulda just taken the damn oath. She is in her 60s. She ain't getting drafted. But leave it to an atheist to act uppity and try and flaunt her "intellectualism".
Originally posted by JayinAR
The problem is, obviously, that the grounds for objection have always been, until recently, that objection was based on religious reasons.
And again, for like the 50th time in this thread, precedent has been set recognizing the right to object without religious reasoning, but she may, of MAY NOT, be able to call upon that precedence.
No need to look it up. It is irrelevant to this case.
If it can be shown, she can appeal and she will be granted citizenship.
And in fact, if this is the case, this entire discussion is pointless.
In other words, I highly suspect you are mistaken.
Margaret Doughty, an atheist and permanent U.S. resident for more than 30 years, was told by immigration authorities this month that she has until Friday to officially join a church that forbids violence or her application for naturalized citizenship will be rejected.
Doughty's reasoning is perfectly valid, atheist groups have argued in response to the rejection threat. The Freedom From Religion Foundation sent a letter to Citizenship and Immigration Services, calling the government request "illegal and unconstitutional."
"It is shocking that USCIS officers would not be aware that a nonreligious yet deeply held belief would be sufficient to attain this exemption," Andrew L. Seidel, a staff attorney at Freedom From Religion Foundation, wrote after laying out a list of Supreme Court tests that suggest a rejection would be unusual and improper. "This is a longstanding part of our law and every USCIS officer should receive training on this exemption ... Either the officers in Houston are inept, or they are deliberately discriminating against nonreligious applicants for naturalization."
The American Humanist Association later followed suit, urging the agency to back down or face litigation.
There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
In 1952 Charlie Chaplin's re-entry visa to his home of over 40 years was denied. At that time, with no ability to return to California, he settled in Vevey, Switzerland (a small town in Switzerland residing on the north side of Geneva Lake) and applied for citizenship - with the overshadowing events such as the denial of the re-entry visa to the United States,
Counterpoint #1 Moral Point - Not Political Point I contend Chaplin was not making a political statement, his statement was a plea for basic morals - a plea for equality of all men. He meant for his statement to cross all boundaries - he never intended to support one type of government over another. He wanted to denounce ANY government that destroyed equality.
Counterpoint #3 History Must Be Remembered Who was it who stated we must remember the holocaust with photos because we would never believe it. Forgetting history is a critical error because then we are more likely to make the same mistakes again. Likewise, with the exile and misunderstanding of Chaplin, we must remember. We must forgive harsh words, harsh critics, We must ourselves soften our voices, clamp our anger and remember Charlie's voice of peace and unity - to all be equal.
Counterpoint #4 Verbal Condemnation - Exile From His Home The genocide that has occurred throughout the ages is grossly tragic. The verbal condemnation of others is another tragedy albeit not gross but almost as equally as harmful to those we attack and to ourselves.
Hate separates us from God.
Hate is the one sin God cannot forgive.
Our own hate will condemn us in the sight of God.